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Re: Gyromitra esculenta - AKA Brain Mushroom [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2439090 - 03/16/04 11:48 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

will do, I'll probably end up not trying them after all, but thanks for the advice just the same :smile:

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Re: Gyromitra esculenta - AKA Brain Mushroom [Re: Suntzu]
    #2440499 - 03/16/04 06:18 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)





They definitely aren't even close to as tasty as morels; again, AT YOUR OWN RISK.  :wink:


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Re: Gyromitra esculenta - AKA Brain Mushroom [Re: Suntzu]
    #2441218 - 03/16/04 09:13 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, excellent photos!


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Re: Gyromitra esculenta - AKA Brain Mushroom [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2447603 - 03/18/04 02:43 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

WEEEEEELL
welly welly welly well.
i am following the situation closely here folks.
i personally have seen this mushroom, or some morphological expression of this taxonomically diverse group, in clearcuts. in brush.  in mulch.  along riverbeds.  with douglas fir. with hardwoods.

basically, anywhere that morels grow.  the current studies on morchella have turned up a dozen or so taxa so far, just in morchella.  DNA is changing things, folks....  check  this page out for some interesting new stuff on morels.

but to monomethylhydrazine and it's metabolites.
this chemical has been found in the genus verpa, also.
yet canada apparently has a huge market for it, where it can fetch 50 dollars a pound sold as "early morels"
are these people doing the same thing as the scandanavians, or are they just eating them without all the argle-bargle?
it concerns me for several reasons:
morels are expensive because they are DELICIOUS.  If someone were to sell me verpas as morels i would be raging insanely- they suck as food.  i hope that gyromitras taste better than that for the risk involved.
TM what do you say about the distribution of verpa?
same feelings as those for gyromitra?
lastly, couldn't there be 50 different species of gyromitra out there, you guys?
i have personally seen so many different ones, i have given up on trying to key them, cuz all the species definitions overlap....
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Re: Gyromitra esculenta - AKA Brain Mushroom [Re: Suntzu]
    #2447617 - 03/18/04 02:49 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

hey suntzu, those are gigas, hunh?


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Re: Gyromitra esculenta - AKA Brain Mushroom [Re: viscid]
    #2447698 - 03/18/04 03:10 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The distribution of the various Verpa species does parallel the Morels. They are usually up just before the Morels, and in some areas are called Early Morels. It should also be noted that a significant percentage of imported Morels from Europe include False Morels. The FDA has even issued alerts about it.

Dr Weber recommends that *none* of the various False Morels should be eaten. MMH has been found in lots of different False Morels in several genera (for example, Peziza). Given that the species and genera aren't clearly defined yet (again, according to Dr Weber, and she's the authority on them) and there aren't any easy tests for MMH, there is a real risk with eating them. They cause several poisonings a year and, fortunately, only rarely a fatality. There are also suspected unknown toxins among the Verpas, another reason to avoid them.

I'm not sure when Dr Weber will finish the research and publish a revised taxonomy. I will certainly alert everybody to it when it happens. I suspect her recommendation about eating False Morels will still apply.

Incidentally, she said (last time I saw her) that the common names for the various Morels and False Morels are as accurate as the scientific names. Her recommendation is that we go ahead and use the common names until she is able to publish a revised taxonomy.

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Re: Gyromitra esculenta - AKA Brain Mushroom [Re: viscid]
    #2447714 - 03/18/04 03:15 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I haven't gone through any keying steps, but from the audubon and various other guides they are most consistent with gigas. Doing a little internet searching came up with an apparant synonym, 'montana'. Too bad there isn't a quick and easy MMH test; It would be fascinating to see if there are regional differences.


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