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CookieCrumbs
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Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? 13
#24434632 - 06/25/17 02:45 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Weed and psychedelics like shrooms and LSD are the primary offenders here.
And yes they are not nearly as dangerous as many other drugs. But both can be extremely dangerous to people with heart conditions and circulatory problems. And, I know alot of people don't realize this, but quite often people do not realize they have these problems until they have a heart attack or pulmonary embolism or something.
We are a site that is focused on harm reduction. Insisting that there is no risk involved with these substances is extremely counterproductive to that objective.
I've heard people say RCs are safe. Shit even that long term opiate use is safe. Keep in mind that "safe" is a very suggestive view and it absolutely will not apply to everyone. Keep that in mind when you are giving advice. People are generally unaware of the mental and physical health problems of people they know in person. You, here, are talking to someone you maybe read one or two posts from.
Proceed with caution and be aware. Educate yourself. That's the best advice you can give anyone.
And when we are constantly saying "no no nothing bad ever happened to anyone." we are not only denying someone education but we are also being a tool of misinformation.
That shit can be as bad as D.A.R.E. Kids think they can eat 30g of mushrooms on their first trip and everything will be fiiiine. Until they completely freak our or the vasoconstriction squeezes their heart to death. Kids take fat rips on gravity bongs, one after another after another, and then come to realize they have a panic disorder or, worse, a lung or heart condition that is exasperated by pressuring their lungs so much.
It is up to us to educate people that do not have the understanding and experience much of us do. And when we fail to admit there is ANY risk involved we are failing in that role as much as prohibition has.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24434641 - 06/25/17 02:47 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree I have seen people abuse weed and come out much dumber as a result. Is weed bad no but it can be abused and yes it can have negative effects. The same can be true for psychedelics they can unhinge people who have latent mental illness.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24434642 - 06/25/17 02:48 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I vape all my weed so you can't tell me it's not safe
I even cook off the stuff that burns below 250f because I'm a nice guy like that and it's an arizer
if anything being safe with weed has done the opposite for me it just means i end up smoking more weed which is not good for the lungs so please people smoke the craziest weed you've got
smoking yeah smoking is bad, benzene is bad for arteries, but if you aren't driving anywhere or inside a house I don't see the problem
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: Konyap] 1
#24434655 - 06/25/17 02:52 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who exactly has been saying that everything is perfectly safe?
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: propensity] 1
#24434659 - 06/25/17 02:53 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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propensity said: Who exactly has been saying that everything is perfectly safe?
Most people on this site get extremely defensive and freak out if weed or psychedelics is said to be unsafe.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: Konyap]
#24434664 - 06/25/17 02:55 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I smoke weed I get absolutely frighteningly terrible headaches. I'm certain I have a health condition that causes that. I agree that weed is not 100% safe, although it is safer than just about everything else.
I'm probably not going to delve into any more psychedelics until I get to the bottom of my headaches. I'm going to bug my doctor to schedule me for a full head MRI with contrast soon.
Although my CT scan came back with "no bleeding, no tumor" I'm doubting they took a look at the circulatory system in my head. I have a theory that there might be pill binder floating around in there.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: Konyap] 2
#24434665 - 06/25/17 02:55 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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My point is not to say these things are unsafe but that there is a level of risk involved. Especially with illegal drugs.
More specifically my point is that, while it might be totally safe for you, it may not be for me or hundreds or even thousands of other people. Maybe even millions with how prevalent heart disease is.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: propensity] 5
#24434666 - 06/25/17 02:56 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Any time a heroin or meth related thread pops up in the Pub people pop in for the whole "My drug is better than your drug" routine where they basically spend 3 pages talking about all the evils of the drug they dislike while touting their own drug as being perfectly safe.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: Canadian Jesus]
#24434671 - 06/25/17 02:58 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Canadian Jesus said:
Although my CT scan came back with "no bleeding, no tumor" I'm doubting they took a look at the circulatory system in my head. I have a theory that there might be pill binder floating around in there.
If I'm not mistaken they give you a dye for CT scans that goes through your circulatory system. I'm unsure if that means it highlights the circulatory system though.
Might be worth it to check out some CT images online?
I used to get pounding headaches on weed when I was smoking frequently. But I know I have circulatory problems. And possibly neurological problems.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24434682 - 06/25/17 03:05 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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They're getting heart disease from using legal drugs to make themselves skinny, or happy or sane
it's not the weed else other people would be dying I'd say yeah you might die when you're 80 from a heart attack from smoking weed everyday that I can agree with
but it's the combustion
the weed is just bad for your genetics because your brain burns off all this extra energy and your heart rate flucuates, i'd say it's more dangerous to genetics then it is to any organ. When ever you get sick your genetics suffer
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: Konyap]
#24434709 - 06/25/17 03:19 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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also we've all heard of / known / seen people have seizures after smoking a bunch of weed
also vasovagal blackouts on shrooms. happened to me once. coulda hit my head on somehting and possibly died
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24434714 - 06/25/17 03:22 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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weed is also really effective for exasperating hypochondria, make you feel like your having a heart attack or give you mentally induced headaches like you mentioned
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24434730 - 06/25/17 03:31 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Shroomery is perfectly safe.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: PartoftheSource] 4
#24434737 - 06/25/17 03:33 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm afraid to smoke weed now.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24434752 - 06/25/17 03:38 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well said. I agree. It's a pet peeve of mine here.
Person A: creates a thread to share a personal experience of how (insert drug here) did something negative for them.
Person B: replies defensive and condescending as fuck
Person C: does the same but tries to be edgier than person B about it
Person D: perpetuates the defensive circle jerk even further
Person A: defends his personal experiences
Person E: *see person D
I have to shake my head and just hit the back button.
Nothing is safe people. NOTHING. One of the best things in the human experience...sex...can also carry MANY risks.
Everything has risks and benefits. It's up to each individual to educate themselves appropriately to decide if the desire in question has benefits that outweigh the risks. When it comes to drugs specifically, family and genetic history, mental stability and health, physical health, chemistry of said drug, side effects, etc...all must play a role in the decision.
Most people displaying this trait are generally young, naive and passionate. The passion is what drives them to think in such absolutes. And I definitely understand it. Especially with the powerful life changing experiences some of these substances bring.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: Masked]
#24434778 - 06/25/17 03:51 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mateah said: My anxiety levels are interfering once again with my life and i need a re-boot once again.
Any recommendations on what kind of setting i should provide for a healing effect?
Shamanistic? Mystical? Introspective? Without impression such as (music, audio tapes) or with?
Any suggestion is welcome, i'm gonna roll a spliff first and after that i begin harvesting the tub.
So in max 30 min i'm munching.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24434811 - 06/25/17 04:09 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: Mateja] 1
#24434813 - 06/25/17 04:09 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree with you on people saying LSD and Mushrooms are safe as there are many things that are not safe about them. I have no idea when it became ok to say they were safe. I always remember there being a preaching of set and setting. Always having a sitter especially if you are new to substances. If these substances were completely safe there wouldn't need to be so much emphasis on precautions to take.
Now marijuana... Someone saying hey marijuana is safe doesn't really bother me. If we look at negative effects of marijuana from erowid: https://erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml It would appear the only effects worth noting being the exacerbating of mental health conditions, dependence, and increased heart rate. The increased heart rate is something given from LOTS of drugs so anyone who is at such a risk that it would be dangerous for them to take anything that increases heart rate probably wouldn't be doing any recreational drugs. Dependence is also not that worrisome as it is only psychological and I know everyone experiences this differently, but I have personally had very little withdraw effects after I stopped smoking weed after 3 years of daily use. The only notable effects were slight agitation much less than what I experienced from alcohol and cigarettes. The only serious concern imo is the exacerbation of mental health conditions. I think people who suffer from this will most likely be the same people who say "I tried pot once and really didn't like it I just got a lot of anxiety.". I know many people like this and many of them have mental health issues. For me the other reason I believe pot to be relatively safe is the length it lasts which is about 1 - 2 hours. Basically this is a long winded explanation of me saying marijuana is very safe for people who do not suffer from mental or heart conditions.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: GripOfDeath]
#24434824 - 06/25/17 04:14 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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They are perfectly safe for the body and brain. The mind is a different case.
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Re: Can we stop saying shit is perfectly safe? [Re: Shiithead] 1
#24434959 - 06/25/17 05:11 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I play it safe and use prescription drugs.
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