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[STICKY] ⚠ Where to Start Flow Chart, QnA, and helpful links ⚠ * 132
    #24420178 - 06/20/17 10:54 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Growing Psilocybe Cubensis
where to get started if you're just starting


This is meant to serve as a way to get anyone accustomed to using the Shroomery as a research and diagnostic tool. If you are able to use the Shroomery in a effective way you will benefit both the community and yourself. In addition this thread will serve as a useful resource to get any person getting started with cultivation by providing the most up to date, user friendly, crowed sourced, time tested, and repeatedly proven TEKs possible.



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You can find anything to confirm your bias here so practice good researching skills.


Follow TEKs(Technical Educational Knowledge) to the T. This way the community can help diagnose any problems.
If you already know what to do why did you come here?
Follow the directions perfectly. Make your own changes when you're the experienced one. Failure to do so likely will lead to you having to re-experience history by replicating the trial and error failures of the past. Everything you thought of has most likely already been done.
The included methods are the ones that have stood out as working well time and time again.

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When you grow from spores any two spores that successfully mate create a strain


A strain is not the same as a variety

When you grow from spores you have 100s if not 1000s of strains working together as a single organism.
You may choose any variety of psilocybe cubensis. Some strains will be weak some strong. When you grow from spores you get a mixed bag. If you have a B+ or GT syringe you could do 10 different grows and each would have different results.

If you want to get uniform results with consistent potency you need to keep good strains around by cloning or isolating and using agar. Spores will give you basically random results regardless of the variety you choose.
Strains Varieties and Species

Don't worry too much about which variety of psilocybe cubensis to pick. Chose one with a name you like and go with it. You'll be able to trade spores later. Mushrooms make their own spores so you never really need to buy more. Making a spore print is easier than it seems. Most noobs avoid making spore prints for whatever reason, you will need to learn this skill. The best way to learn is to start somewhere and make mistakes. Don't put all your eggs in one basket so that a mistake becomes horribly detrimental.

Now to choose your methods and directions. These methods are commonly known as TEKs



In order to grow psilocybe cubensis mushrooms indoors you will need to sterilize a substrate

A substrate is where the mushrooms will grow from.
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Re: flowchart all in one [Re: bodhisatta] * 6
    #24420512 - 06/20/17 01:17 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

How I do it


Start with spores
I like to go spores to agar



Use my Agar tek to get started with agar and spores to agar





After spores go to agar you are to obtain clean healthy growth by doing transfers, my agar tek linked above also goes over this


Use your clean healthy growth on agar as an inoculant for spawn



Using my oat prep TEK to prepare the oats the then get loaded into jars and pressure cooked how to use your pressure cooker TEK

jars need lids lid TEK I prefer to do SFD lids but wrote the polyfil lid tek because some people are so dense they need a guide to stuff pillow stuffing into a hole.


SFDs get cut to be bigger than the 1/4-3/8 hole you put in your lid then you silicone them on. boom done.

injection ports are optional, self healing injection ports are made by putting silicone over a 1/4 hole.

after you sterilize your jars of spawn in your pressure cooker then they need to be inoculated with the agar wedges

you need to do the inoculations in a
Still Air Box (SAB TEK)

(videos in my links)

or in front of a
Flow hood TEK


then they go to colonize at room temperature 65-80F (68-72F is great)
on a shelf or something, getting ambient lighting during the day


Now that you have colonized spawn jars it's time to make some tubs and grow some mushrooms

to make a tub to grow shrooms in you will mix your colonized spawn with substrate

colonized spawn

I use coir (coconut husk processed into a brick) as substrate


The directions for prepping coir and the amount of coir you'll get once hydrated are located on the brick but for mycology we just use boiling water

how to prepare coir substrate TEK (aka the bucket tek)

once you make your coir substrate and it's cooled down enough to handle you can make your tubs to grow mushrooms

My unmodified monotub TEK


from this point on you can use my
harvesting TEK
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Question about mushy caps [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24703899 - 10/12/17 03:57 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

First time grower here, I'm just curious of its natural, per genetics, or am I doing something wrong. I have a cap that has kind of shriveled after the veil has opened. Another looks like it might do the same. I also have some that are looking cracked on the top but feel healthy and hydrated. I'm growing golden teacher from a multispore syringe in a monotub. My rh only drops below 90 when I'm misting and my temp inside my box are reading right at 80 degress F. I have teo tubs and both have some that are doing this while having some that arent. So my question is, am I doing something wrong or is this just an example of genetic differences in a multispore?


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Re: Question about mushy caps [Re: 0bi.wan.Jacoby]
    #24704177 - 10/12/17 07:40 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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First time grower here, I'm just curious of its natural, per genetics, or am I doing something wrong. I have a cap that has kind of shriveled after the veil has opened. Another looks like it might do the same. I also have some that are looking cracked on the top but feel healthy and hydrated. I'm growing golden teacher from a multispore syringe in a monotub. My rh only drops below 90 when I'm misting and my temp inside my box are reading right at 80 degress F. I have teo tubs and both have some that are doing this while having some that arent. So my question is, am I doing something wrong or is this just an example of genetic differences in a multispore?



Keep things 68-72. Humidity should be like 40-80 and fluctuate.
You should need to mist a monotub at all or if you do not very often

Take a picture of the whole tub. Looks like something is wrong with your fae too


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Re: Question about mushy caps [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24705531 - 10/12/17 07:05 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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0bi.wan.Jacoby said:
First time grower here, I'm just curious of its natural, per genetics, or am I doing something wrong. I have a cap that has kind of shriveled after the veil has opened. Another looks like it might do the same. I also have some that are looking cracked on the top but feel healthy and hydrated. I'm growing golden teacher from a multispore syringe in a monotub. My rh only drops below 90 when I'm misting and my temp inside my box are reading right at 80 degress F. I have teo tubs and both have some that are doing this while having some that arent. So my question is, am I doing something wrong or is this just an example of genetic differences in a multispore?



Keep things 68-72. Humidity should be like 40-80 and fluctuate.
You should need to mist a monotub at all or if you do not very often

Take a picture of the whole tub. Looks like something is wrong with your fae too



I think its conditions


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Re: Where to Start Flow Chart and helpful links also ask your questions here Q&A [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24758377 - 11/04/17 04:41 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Hi, burning my way through the teks . Y'all are way more organized than the stoners lol! Information has been brilliant by the way, but one or two of the links are restricted cos i haven't posted .... 10/ or is it 14 times shit i can't remember. My dad used to say there is no such thing as a stupid question, no he died before the internet before anyone asks. Im at the start end of a mycology hobby,I have loads of questions being answered by the fantastic posters on here, and thats my "problem" I'm aware of the search bar in the top right hand corner.

So any tips for a guy who's not "social"and would like to remain relatively private  with a working knowledge of how to use search engines(y'all even have a search engine for dummies ffs!!)on what the fuck i can post?


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Re: Where to Start Flow Chart and helpful links also ask your questions here Q&A [Re: Alpherbets]
    #24758390 - 11/04/17 05:00 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

See

Excellent advise
Also this

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Re: [STICKY] ⚠ Where to Start Flow Chart, QnA, and helpful links ⚠ [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #25271106 - 06/15/18 10:06 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Hey guys, so I'm completely new to shroom hunting, however I have been around friends who've showed me what they look like (and I've seen how they act while on it)

I'm from Melbourne, Victoria (Australia) and went out shroom hunting this morning, I picked out what looks like the best from the bunch I got and discarded the rest shitty looking ones (was a bit anxious)



heres the pic and if it doesn't work (because I'm a newbie) I also have the photo on my profile and made it my avatar, I was wondering if it looks like good shrooms that won't harm me bahaha it looks like I have psilocybe subaeruginosa, but I'm seriously not sure because shrooms are pretty different in Victoria, could anyone help identify what I have here?

I'm not sure where to post this either, so I came to this website thinking it was the best :smile:)
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Re: [STICKY] ⚠ Where to Start Flow Chart, QnA, and helpful links ⚠ [Re: Moonmartian]
    #25335255 - 07/19/18 10:49 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Alright dudes! Got it done. :thumbup::grin:





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Re: [STICKY] ⚠ Where to Start Flow Chart, QnA, and helpful links ⚠ [Re: Moonmartian]
    #25336631 - 07/20/18 07:15 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

July 15 and 16 I created 32 pasty plates.  This little guy showed mycelial growth in a ring, which scared me, but I let it go.  Later it was a fluffy white, stranded growth that I thought to be mycelium, shaped like a mini cheerio, I noticed the center was dark but I thought it to be a clump of spores/agar.  The next time I checked the center was darker.  And now, it looks like the picture.  Can you tell me what that is?

And this plate is already moved away from everything else, one step away from a ziploc and a walk out to the garbage.


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Contam or paranoia? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25340790 - 07/22/18 02:59 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I made my first A2A transfers a few days ago.  Since I have just started on this journey I decided to do a few A2G in BRF and Wheat Berries, and see if I can get some fully colonized media into a substrate.

I think this might be contaminated. My original agar plate was dyed green. I think I see yellowing to the left of the agar in the photo.  My thought is to leave the jar for now and monitor it closely.  Thoughts?



Thank you


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Re: Contam or paranoia? [Re: Ginge]
    #25345901 - 07/25/18 10:12 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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I made my first A2A transfers a few days ago.  Since I have just started on this journey I decided to do a few A2G in BRF and Wheat Berries, and see if I can get some fully colonized media into a substrate.

I think this might be contaminated. My original agar plate was dyed green. I think I see yellowing to the left of the agar in the photo.  My thought is to leave the jar for now and monitor it closely.  Thoughts?



Thank you




UPDATE*
The yellowing was not contamination, the yellowing was the mycellium eating the green dye out of the agar.  They finished eating the agar before further colonizing the area and moving on as shown.


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Metabolites, right? [Re: Ginge]
    #25345957 - 07/25/18 10:42 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

So before posting I did some looking around, and I believe that what I was fearing was a contaminate is actually metabolites being produced by the mycellium.  Just to verify, I got out the SAB and snapped a pic of each plate.  Both are showing identical traits regarding the area of potential metabolites.

These are metabolites that look like clear drops of dew on the mycellium, right? SOrry, my SAB upside down plate photography needs some work...


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Re: [STICKY] ⚠ Where to Start Flow Chart, QnA, and helpful links ⚠ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25372100 - 08/07/18 10:08 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Found these in my newly laid turf any ?


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Re: Where to Start Flow Chart and helpful links also ask your questions here Q&A [Re: Ginge]
    #25380985 - 08/11/18 06:12 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Hey Bod,
Your simple AF teks have already been a tremendous help.  I made some LC using this tek.  Two of my jars of LC have sediment, which sucks but the myc don't seem to mind.  Can you please help me with my next step?

I understand contams are undetectable in LC.  My friend ordered a grow kit that came with BRF jars ready to go.  Can I noc up those jars with my LC to test for contams or are grain jars a better contam test?

Exhibit A
Also, I have some strong looking LC's.  Like myc floating in a complete disc and rhyzoing up the glass (going to take a picture now) should I test these for contams using your recommendation and then refrigerate until I am ready to use the LC to noc up more jars?

Thanks for your time and knowledge in your write ups.  I am sure my myco partner is tired of me quoting you and your teks.


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Re: Where to Start Flow Chart and helpful links also ask your questions here Q&A [Re: Ginge]
    #25381263 - 08/11/18 09:18 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Hey BOD I have a LC question for you as well because this my first time doing it.  I learned the hard way not to inoculate LC with a MS syringe.  Below I have three different LC recipes inoculated with agar wedges. The one on the far left was only done a few days ago so my question pertains to the two jars on the right.





When I look below the water line it looks like the growth is just in like a disc around the original wedge. How do I draw up the mycelium man? Do I have to wait till it grows off the wedge and into the liquid or should I try and breaking  that big chunk up somehow? I am betting my problem is patience again but describe for a noob what the end stage looks like before aspirating into a syringe.

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Re: Martha tek [Re: MycoMora]
    #25388141 - 08/14/18 03:34 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Strains are what you get when two spores mate.
Varieties are the name on a syringe.
There infinitely many strains of every variety
Variety doesn't matter strain does
Growing from spores you have 100s of strains in a single grow.
Some mushrooms will be made of many strains
Some mushrooms will be strong some weak.
Every time you grow from spores you'll get different results even from the same spore syringe.
Jist pick one, using agar is how you keep good strains around




Bodhista -

Thank you for the info

Whats the best in your opinion for a first effort?  B+ / Ecuador / PSE Amazon / PE ?

Also - I am going to try your TEK after this grow (I saw your thread too late) but for this grow what do you think about my last post? 

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25362066



They're all the same stuff. It's like different hair colors. I might have better luck with a blonde you might like a brunette. Some brunettes can be dumb some blonds can be smart. You get random results from spores so pick any variety you want.

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Hey Bodhisatta, i was just wondering if your unBODified tub tek could be used in a grow tent type system. Your tek seems pretty hands off so it might not even be necessary. Also if using your tek in a grow tent isn't particularly beneficial, do you have a good Martha tek or know of a trusted tek i could look for? I'm interested in trying an automated grow.



Sure just do the tent setup without the tent lol.

I think you're misunderstanding the whole thing. The Martha/tent/GH are far less automated. Filling humidifiers, dialing them in, cleaning them weekly so they don't get funky, cleaning humidifiers as well, accidentally have a spore drop then it's take shit out and clean again. Tubs are eaiser to clean.

Tubs don't have a humidifier to fill and clean

Tubs don't have a lengthy dial-in setup period, unless you get lucky with your tent/Martha/GH you probably will need to adjust shit constantly until it's just right then the season will change.


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Speaking of set and forget this tub was neglected 19 days no human interaction
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25288835
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:thumbup: @ Day 19












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MS PESA tub, the clone hunt.
Totally neglected never once did shit to it.

Made 7/23.
Harvested 8/7

15 days after spawning I'm harvesting.

5q of spawn. My guess is 4-5 dried. I'll get a number after lunch time





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172 dry grams from that pesa tub from a couple posts up(previous quote)

Basically a gallon bag cram packed.

Here is the tub I did one day after

7/24 harvested today 8/8
15 days spawn to fruit
100% neglected 0 misting or otherwise.




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I get 1-1.5 oz per quart of spawn from MS. And my first flushes are this dense. I harvest 14-16 days from spawning. And I completely neglect them sometimes. Especially recently.

I really can't wait to show off RW in them. I think they're going to be ridiculous.



Meanwhile every automatic setup I see looks puts out first flushes that look like my second flushes.







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Re: Where to Start Flow Chart and helpful links also ask your questions here Q&A [Re: Arzeo]
    #25392592 - 08/16/18 02:41 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Hey bod I got another pic I want your opinion on if you have the time. I used  your bucket tek and oats tek to Spawn this monotub. I just put it into fruiting today after keeping lid on in a dark place for 10 days to colonize and it looks like this.



I don’t see primordia or pins so I could have gone a few more days on colonization correct? What about the grayish color. Does that or anything else you see concern you? What do you see man?  Again it’s my first time working with a tub so anytime I can consult the oracle I am going to try yah Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Bro Coat. Jk..



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Re: Where to Start Flow Chart and helpful links also ask your questions here Q&A [Re: Poakess]
    #25393054 - 08/16/18 06:11 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm looking to buy a spore print but cannot use the marketplace, do you know anyone who would sell me one instead of using sponsors?



Whats the difference who you buy it from. No one is going to sell a print and selling them isn't allowed only trading them for non cash items. You don't have marketplace access so don't go fishing for spores in non marketplace sections. That entirely defeats the purpose of the marketplace forum and the access restrictions. People will be far more likely to trade if you can show a grow first.

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Hey bod I got another pic I want your opinion on if you have the time. I used  your bucket tek and oats tek to Spawn this monotub. I just put it into fruiting today after keeping lid on in a dark place for 10 days to colonize and it looks like this.



I don’t see primordia or pins so I could have gone a few more days on colonization correct? What about the grayish color. Does that or anything else you see concern you? What do you see man?  Again it’s my first time working with a tub so anytime I can consult the oracle I am going to try yah Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Bro Coat. Jk..





It should never be in a dark place. And i do fruiting conditions immediately and skip colonization conditions entirely. So any time you put into fruiting is fine

Looks fine for now

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So I’ve been letting my mini tub colonize for awhile now and I was wondering when will I begin to see pins?



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Re: [STICKY] ⚠ Where to Start Flow Chart, QnA, and helpful links ⚠ [Re: Windsmith]
    #25397941 - 08/19/18 08:26 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

On agar the way the mycelium appears is absolutely meaningless


Something that looks all rhizo and nice like this might perform like absolute shit


Something all tomentose and fuzzy might be the best culture youve ever grown

Once you grow out your cultures you see the performance then you keep good cultures around and dump shit ones.

Who's giving you a hard time for questions? :itstopshere:


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