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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #24484590 - 07/15/17 07:43 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

More data here, and in my pocket guide. Enjoy!


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #24486677 - 07/16/17 06:22 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Basic guide to how mycelium grow

Detect material > produce enzymes > absorb solubles-small units > metabolize the materials > utilize or dispose of materials.

Each step there requires a genetic blueprint, either inherited or produced (when otherwise supported).
In cases where the materials are already soluble, the detect and digest may be skipped.


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #24486678 - 07/16/17 06:22 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Usable: Carbon + Hydrogen + Nitrogen + Oxygen, along with a dash of Macro-Micro nutrients = Life!


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #24486812 - 07/16/17 08:40 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Ferather said:
Basic guide to how mycelium grow

Detect material > produce enzymes > absorb solubles-small units > metabolize the materials > utilize or dispose of materials.

Each step there requires a genetic blueprint, either inherited or produced (when otherwise supported).
In cases where the materials are already soluble, the detect and digest may be skipped.




Hmmmmm..... dispose of materials..... what kind of waste product does mycelium create and how does it dispose of it?


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: TravelAgency] * 1
    #24486829 - 07/16/17 08:51 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Good question TA.

An example is soluble calcium, which mycelium use to produce the insoluble metabolite Calcium oxalate (CaC2O4).

Oxalate production by fungi: significance in geomycology, biodeterioration and bioremediation.


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #24486866 - 07/16/17 09:15 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

If you follow all of my information, in regards to calcium, plant fiber, low starch sugar and enrichment.
The next three links, might make your hair stand on end, Link 1, Link 2, Link 3, Enjoy!


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #24486873 - 07/16/17 09:21 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Marking for later- thanks


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: TravelAgency] * 1
    #24486880 - 07/16/17 09:25 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

No problem, you can ignore "fertilizer" or "plant food" labels, bioavailable nutrients are still nutrients.


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #24486923 - 07/16/17 09:53 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Digestive enzymes:

Amylase - starch  []  Laccase - lignin  []  Cellulase - cellulose  []  Xylanase - hemicellulose  []  Protease - proteins.

Mycelium should only cleave the bonds of carbohydrate's and hydrocarbon's, C-H bonded units.
It should not for example degrade materials of a C-C bonding, such as coal or diamonds.

However there may be specialized mycelium that may, it will be rare.

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Carbon-Hydrogen targeting:

Amylase, Laccase, Cellulase, Xylanase


Carbon + Nitrogen targeting:

Protease

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Example carbon materials:

Starch, Sugar, Cellulose, Hemicellulose, Lignin, Tannins, Bicarbonates.


Example nitrogen materials:

Proteins, Vitamins, Caffeine, Ureic, Ammonical.

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Side notes:

Laccase will decay many carbon based materials.
Metabolites can also decay substrates.


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Ferather] * 3
    #24500810 - 07/22/17 01:16 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Got my hood built...definitely going to facilitate some bag filling!


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Mycolorado] * 1
    #24500821 - 07/22/17 01:21 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Shes a beauty! :rockon:


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: eatyualive] * 1
    #24522570 - 08/01/17 10:48 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Some notes:

It appears lignin, tannin's and other similar carbon materials, activate and germinate wood loving organisms.
In short, organisms utilizing the laccase enzyme will use the materials in replacement of sugar.

The laccase decay will allow for new cell production, enzyme production and energy.
At some point its total strength will be enough to tackle complex cellulose.


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #24551191 - 08/13/17 04:35 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Nice looking nebrodensis jar. Gonna expand and run some sawdust/bran bags.

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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Mycolorado] * 1
    #24553760 - 08/14/17 05:13 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Very nice hood mycolorado :laugh: it's also a beast haha wow
"the bohemoth" I'd call it..

Are you going to add some calcium carbonate source to the nebro, what are you going to fruit it on?

I noc'ed up my beech chip + sawdust + bran + gypsum substrate with the grain spawn that had been growing while I was away on vacation.. Hericium Americanum and Agrocybe Aegerita today and H. Erinaceum when I have sterilized the rest of the wood.. :smile:

The Bear's head fruited a bit in one of the jars, my very first tooth mushroom to either grow or eat (soon!).. have seen some Hericium in the wild though, including a Cirrhatus. I know it's protected but are that one and Coralloides less appetiting? The teeth are supposed to be shorter...

By the way, doesn't oxalate fix some trace mineral compounds (metal cations) by chelation? I don't think it's healthy for humans but you can tolerate a fair quantity iirc. Still, if myc produces a lot that might be a reason to watch out with turning myc into some consumable.

The spawn was in cramped jars since all my jars are still small shoulderless ones for cakes, and which had become pretty solid since my caretaker failed to notice the colonization's progress...
I transferred the spawn into the substrate bags in one piece using the empty top part as a sort of airlock (even though it was in the glovebox), later when I got it out I just massaged the spawn to break it up and spread it around. Only problem with that is that I could do with a bit more air in my bags.

Is there a way to transfer a colonized brick of bulk substrate into another sort of container in the martha so that you can reuse filter bags? Not sure if that much FAE and pin triggering is what you want, and whether you can protect against contams properly.
Do you dunk to hydrate?

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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Solipsis] * 1
    #24553890 - 08/14/17 06:00 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks, man!  Yeah, it's a beast! I was gonna run the nebrodensis on straw as well as sawdust, both supplemented and with caco3 in the sub as well as casing.  Gonna run them like kings...humid and cool.

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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Mycolorado] * 1
    #24554704 - 08/14/17 11:35 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Just wanted to say :goodluck: it's looking good. Anxious to see results.


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Quadman] * 1
    #24569844 - 08/21/17 04:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Got the nebrodensis spawned to four 2.5 lb bags of walnut suppd with 10% alfalfa and 4% dolomite lime...had everything ready to go and realized I had no bran, hence the alfalfa sup...see how it goes.  I spawned them very low...a little under half a qt of spawn each.  Not sure how they turn out but we'll see.  Working in front of this hood is a real breeze!


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Re: Is pleurotus australis edible? [Re: Mycolorado] * 1
    #24570203 - 08/21/17 06:05 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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    #24582975 - 08/27/17 10:11 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

1)  It appears that my phoenix oyster slants were killed in the refrigerator!:mad: Thing is they appear normal to look at. I visually check my slants every month or so and they look normal and white.

2) Standard ziplock bags are permeable. I want to long term store plugs which I use to inoculate grain with. Most of the species are not viable just because they dried out, at least that is my conclusion. Will have to look carefully at plastic types for longer storage. I have 4 mil tube plastic that I will use the heat sealer and make my own. Maybe even heat seal shut after each use.

3) I love oats! Purchased some kind of oats and they are small about the size of small wheat or rye. I've never seen any like this but they are so easy!


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Re: Things I've learned [Re: Quadman] * 1
    #24583071 - 08/27/17 11:04 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

quad do you need more phoenix culture or do you have spores? I can mail you some.
I ran into the same problem I think with my king oyster. I kept it at 40F for over 5  months and it colonises substrate just fine but wont fruit anymore :sad:. No problem starting new spores but its a p.i.t.a wasting time.


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