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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
    #26152276 - 08/25/19 11:13 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Depends on how far you want to stretch it.  You could easily do two bags with one mqt.  I normally add approximately 2 cups per 5.5 lb block though but I’m using spawn bags and not growing excessive amounts.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: SunnyDayze] * 1
    #26152431 - 08/25/19 01:27 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Alright, as long as it not "bad" with a full quart I do not mind. Think I will do that then so I do not have to PC 4 more bags tomorrow haha.

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
    #26153060 - 08/25/19 11:16 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I'm new to shiitake so idk what I'm talking about but I have read that less is more when it comes to spawn:shrug:

I'd be interested to hear more experienced growers thoughts on ratios though because I'm just sort of fumbling about here seeing what works best.

Also what weight would 5 cups of pellets be (non American here)


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Bumholio]
    #26153074 - 08/25/19 11:36 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Im European so I do not normaly use cups either. 5 cups in weight for me is about 1575 grams of HWFP.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
    #26153103 - 08/26/19 01:20 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

@sunny sorry, I didnt see your post when I said about more experienced growers :facepalm3: I didnt mean to imply anything

@puduwoke so you use almost 1:1 water:pellets


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Bumholio]
    #26153105 - 08/26/19 01:24 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

If you say so haha.
Here is the link that I use
Second time using it so cant speak for it.
Will try masters mix in the furture I think.



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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Bumholio]
    #26153312 - 08/26/19 07:49 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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@sunny sorry, I didnt see your post when I said about more experienced growers :facepalm3: I didnt mean to imply anything





:laugh2:  No big deal Bum, did not take offence, I'm not that experienced anyway, I've grown them successfully but there are lots more in here with more experience, listen to them!

:hug:  thanks for reassurance! :rofl:  Mush love Bum!


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
    #26154722 - 08/27/19 04:54 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I don't use cups either, I prefer to use the scales and weigh. It's easier to work with when you know how much you have.
For example, 1kg of dry wood + 1kg of water = 50% dry wood, 50% water. Ideally 66% water (if possible).

You can also add additives (including the bran) to the water, since it's been measured.

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Here is an example but with soluble fertilizer and tea for nutrients, not wheat bran.

     

     

Essentially I made nutritional water, ready to be absorbed.

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Substrate water content guide

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Additional notes:

Sawdust, is more like grit (or sand), it's ability to hold water is very limited (it will also produce lots of condensate).
Paper pellets, and coco coir, are fibrous. Both water and other materials will bind with the fibers.

Imagine hydrating some rocks or sand, and hydrating a sponge or cotton cloth.
Now imagine adding some limestone flour to a cotton cloth.

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https://www.maximumyield.com/the-chemistry-of-coco-coir/2/2678


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Ferather]
    #26155186 - 08/27/19 11:57 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

So if I wanted to add bran to a kg of pellets @10% I could just add 100g of the bran to the water let it steep for a bit and add it that way?

That sounds good, at least you know the nutes are evenly distributed.

On another note i think one of my shiitake bags is starting to popcorn. The rest are starting to turn brown on the top surface and they have had some bumps and bobbles for a while. These ones are just over a month old. So from this point when should I be looking to cold shock / soak and fruit?


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Bumholio]
    #26155373 - 08/27/19 01:41 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Depends on how the 10% is being measured, if 1000 + 10%, then indeed 1000 + 100, else it would be 900 + 100 = 1000, the 100 being 10% of 1000.
You can even sterilize the nutrient water prior to adding it, but that's probably overkill, since it should be sterilized complete.

You can mix your wood pellets with either paper pellets or coco coir, and get more water content.
Coco coir is more or less another wood type, one even Cubensis can work with.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #26155432 - 08/27/19 02:21 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24012223#24012223



:thataintright:

I've read egg boxes can be used is that right? I've been saving mine for ages and I've got fuck loads now.

I keep forgetting to use them though when I'm making my blocks so they keep piling up. I'm going to spawn some oysters in the morning though so should I soak them overnight or do they just need like half an hour in boiling water?


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Bumholio]
    #26155565 - 08/27/19 03:31 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

The paper pellets I use are from recycled egg carton, newspaper, so on. The recycled paper is pulped, strained, and then pelleted.
You will need to pulp and then strain it, to be like the pellets, otherwise it's more like cardboard.

       


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Bumholio] * 1
    #26155576 - 08/27/19 03:35 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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On another note i think one of my shiitake bags is starting to popcorn. The rest are starting to turn brown on the top surface and they have had some bumps and bobbles for a while. These ones are just over a month old. So from this point when should I be looking to cold shock / soak and fruit?





Looking good!  I wait until the bag is almost completely brown before spawning.  i do not cold shock but i just am a bit rough with them lol then take out and spawn.  My first shiitakes I did I spawned way to early, was not good.  Be patient.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: SunnyDayze]
    #26155641 - 08/27/19 04:03 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

@feather, I have some paper cat litter pellets but I don't like using them. They have a slight perfume smell. They don't smell chemically and they do work, I used them for my gymnopilus. Maybe I could soak them and rinse a few times.

@sunny I think in a month or 2 I'll not need to cold shock either but it's been pretty warm recently. Do you soak them even?


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Bumholio]
    #26155664 - 08/27/19 04:17 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I just put some of the cat litter to soak and had a good look at it. It has like clear gel beads in it, must be to absorb more cat pish or something :shrug:


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Bumholio]
    #26155883 - 08/27/19 06:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

no I don't soak either bum.  Au naturelle.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: SunnyDayze]
    #26156258 - 08/27/19 10:26 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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no I don't soak either bum.  Au naturelle.



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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Bumholio]
    #26156569 - 08/28/19 06:35 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

@ Bumholio, then those cat litter pellets have additives. Try the brands I use (in the images above).

https://namyco.org/docs/grow_oyster_mushrooms_on_kitty_litter_illustrated.pdf

Look for "chemical and additive free", "recycled", "biodegradable" on the label.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Ferather]
    #26156634 - 08/28/19 07:42 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

They have breader select at pets at home, I'll get some next time I get coir.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Bumholio]
    #26157230 - 08/28/19 02:03 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

what's thermal death range for the standard supermarket variety of oysters? Some of my fuiting bags got up to 115 yesterday :/


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