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OfflinePuduwoke
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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Adas]
    #26105614 - 07/13/19 07:45 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Have you tried HWFP and just boiling water? I use 970g HWFP and 1575g H2O.
Works like a charm. Never tried supplimented blocks but I will try later once I got a few good edible clones already.

Guess you do not have any tips for me then Adas:wink:


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
    #26105683 - 07/13/19 08:36 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Puduwoke, I don’t have the best yields yet so don’t copy me but this is what I do for now.
I just left my indoor GH at 90 for LM and oysters in the same GH.  I now have everything in a large outdoor GH which is very hard to control Rh.  I am just doing my oysters out there right now, had an over abundance of LM so stopped for a bit, but the RH ranges from 40-80% mostly.  I go in hopefully once or twice a day and spray things down with a garden hose, including a mist on the blocks.  Is this right?  No.  Is it working?  Yes.  My yields are marginally better than with the controlled Rh but they fruit extremely fast compared to the indoor GH with artificial lighting.  This said, I don’t know what lions mane would do in this environment.

Sorry, not a lot of help but it’s a response lol


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #26105709 - 07/13/19 09:01 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh boi! My fuckin LM won't even colonize sawdust and goes straight green, all the time!



Sounds like mold in your culture,or improper sterilized.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Quadman]
    #26105794 - 07/13/19 10:16 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Puduwoke said:
Have you tried HWFP and just boiling water? I use 970g HWFP and 1575g H2O.
Works like a charm. Never tried supplimented blocks but I will try later once I got a few good edible clones already.

Guess you do not have any tips for me then Adas;)




My sawdust is too nutritious, if I just add boiling water, it trichs out like mad (even in and of itself). I use leeched sawdust instead, which works wonders for Oysters and such. But LM doesn't want to eat it for some reason, even if I make it on the dry side. Maybe they need it REALLY dry?

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Adas said:
Oh boi! My fuckin LM won't even colonize sawdust and goes straight green, all the time!



Sounds like mold in your culture,or improper sterilized.




No way, this happens EVERY SINGLE time. It's that the mycelium on the grain DIES for some reason once it is spawned, and then trich takes hold.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Adas]
    #26105836 - 07/13/19 10:40 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

What kind of sawdust and are you sterilizing it?


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
    #26105843 - 07/13/19 10:46 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Hey I made up a Lions mane tincture last night and the decoction came out pretty thick kind of like syrup almost jelly.
That is right, right? My first tincture didn't turn out like that with turkey tail but it was my first tincture.
It looked like it settled a little bit in the final mixture after sitting over night and I stirred it up to mix it all together again.
Just making sure that is normal before I start taking it for a long period of time.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
    #26105845 - 07/13/19 10:47 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Mixed hardwood sawdust. Not sterilizing it, although it seems like I should for this reason, maybe it would help. On its own it's like Coir when leeched - doesn't mold even after long storage.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #26105886 - 07/13/19 11:19 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I’d recommend sterilizing it.  It’s hard to say where the funk is coming from until then but could definitely be getting in from bad spawn or technique.  Oyster myc is pretty aggressive and could just be outpacing the funk if it’s already in the sawdust but my guess would be culture/spawn/technique.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
    #26105908 - 07/13/19 11:27 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Could be the culture for sure. It's not the strongest one. Last time it did a similar thing, but the grains started fermenting first (formed bacteria and tiny bubbles), and a couple days after that it triched out. Maybe the bacteria in the sawdust is the problem.

Otherwise just in grain spawn it looks good, even tries to fruit if over-consolidated.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Adas]
    #26105995 - 07/13/19 12:36 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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My sawdust is too nutritious, if I just add boiling water, it trichs out like mad (even in and of itself). I use leeched sawdust instead, which works wonders for Oysters and such. But LM doesn't want to eat it for some reason...



Hmmmm, Hericium erinaceus is a white-rot fungi, meaning it decays phenolic compounds such as lignin. I guess you leeched the carbon fuels it uses?
I found a paper that compares a few fungi, including Hericium erinaceus. It could be your strain, and seems to be enzyme related.

I guess Hericium erinaceus runs on phenolic carbon to start with, later moving onto cellulose-other?
The enzymes-reactants and methods of decay appear to differ in comparison to oysters.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3943396/


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #26106161 - 07/13/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Always with the great technical info Ferather. :rockon:

Adding that to my "bookmarks from Ferather pile" :super:


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: gizmodo] * 1
    #26106189 - 07/13/19 02:48 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey I made up a Lions mane tincture last night and the decoction came out pretty thick kind of like syrup almost jelly.
That is right, right? My first tincture didn't turn out like that with turkey tail but it was my first tincture.
It looked like it settled a little bit in the final mixture after sitting over night and I stirred it up to mix it all together again.
Just making sure that is normal before I start taking it for a long period of time.



LM the triterpines ( dark brown on top) and polysaccharides ( light on bottom) separate after settling. Completely normal just shake well before taking.

I use 100 grams lions mane to make a quart of double extract. Sounds like you might be heavily concentrated. Lions mane extract at my proportions are very liquid but are somewhat sticky.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Quadman] * 1
    #26106195 - 07/13/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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"My sawdust is too nutritious, if I just add boiling water, it trichs out like mad (even in and of itself). I use leeched sawdust instead, which works wonders for Oysters and such. But LM doesn't want to eat it for some reason"

Never heard of sawdust being to nutritious. Only by way of supplements.

What MyColorado said.....


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Quadman]
    #26106196 - 07/13/19 02:56 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Ever tried soaking ANY fresh wood, even with boiling water? It WILL get moldy after a couple of days. I have no idea how they make HWFP, so that may be different, but my sawdust bricks are from sawdust so fresh, that nothing wants to grow on the fresh stuff (NOT EVEN OYSTERS!!), only Trich.

It's the same like putting a myc on agar with high sugar content. Instantaneous stalling.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Adas]
    #26106218 - 07/13/19 03:10 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Adas said:
Ever tried soaking ANY fresh wood, even with boiling water? It WILL get moldy after a couple of days. I have no idea how they make HWFP, so that may be different, but my sawdust bricks are from sawdust so fresh, that nothing wants to grow on the fresh stuff (NOT EVEN OYSTERS!!), only Trich.

It's the same like putting a myc on agar with high sugar content. Instantaneous stalling.




I have success growing my LM on oak/maple shavings. Two different LM cultures.

I usually mix my wood and wheat supplement, then boil until the wheat is cooked, lay out to dry a bit, load in containers and sterilize.

Any contams are because of sloppy LI work when inoculating.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Spindlymass]
    #26107192 - 07/14/19 05:27 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I've experimented with both wood and paper pellets. We know wood contains more than just cellulose, and mold will germinate on trace soluble carbon.
In short, if you are having issues with wood pellets and mold, switch to either 50-50 wood-paper or 100% paper pellets.

Paper pellets have all the lignin (and other phenols) removed, making the media almost 100% cellulose.
Mycelium need a decent amount of energy and resources to decay cellulose.

Using enough vigorous spawn, will overcome energy issues.

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Enzymes require resources to be produced, as well as new cells, other. Cellulose is slow to decay, and complex.
While spores will be sitting on almost 100% glucose (cellulose), it almost can't eat it (no resources).

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Ferather]
    #26108426 - 07/14/19 06:41 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

How can I spawn pink oyster (Pleurotus djamor) without straw? I can't buy straw in my city and my car is currently immobilized, so I can't just drive to store outside of it.

I have around 500ml of rye overgrown with pink oyster mycelium, beech woodchips, vermiculite, coir. I can do some shopping, but it's pretty limited - there is no horticultural store nearby.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: FiatFirmamentum]
    #26108617 - 07/14/19 08:32 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone know where I can get a hook up on some gourmet spores or mycellium? Reason number one, I'm broke and everyone charges too much, number two, I'd prefer to support a fellow hobby scale Shroomerian.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26109099 - 07/15/19 05:17 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Anyone know where I can get a hook up on some gourmet spores or mycellium? Reason number one, I'm broke and everyone charges too much, number two, I'd prefer to support a fellow hobby scale Shroomerian.




You can just clone store-bought mushrooms.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: FiatFirmamentum] * 2
    #26109238 - 07/15/19 08:13 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Where are you at JF?  Shoot me a pm, I owe a good turn 😁


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