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Re: The Lyme Disease Thread. [Re: crowseed]
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Fasting really can help, yes. I do intermittent fasting combined with keto now.
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Hey Lizard. I have tried all sorts of supplements and probiotics. Literally the only thing that made any difference in my health was antibiotics/antibacterial herbs. And they made HUGE differences. They just don't sustain it when I stop. Which is understandable. My remaining issues are mostly random pains, peripheral sensory neuropathy and arrythmias/palpitations. They have reduced dramatically with abx. But still some active disease left.
Hey Crowseed, fasting is an interesting idea. I don't know if I have the discipline lol. But that's something to keep in mind. I did do paleo for a long time and it seemed to help but it wasn't the be all end all of my illness and was way too hard to comply with long term.
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Re: The Lyme Disease Thread. [Re: crowseed]
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Sida acuta and artemisinin are OTC and work against babesia, here's more. Be careful treating babesia yourself, start with fractions of a full dose and slowly work up, the reactions can be severe.
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Re: The Lyme Disease Thread. [Re: Hygrocybe]
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Hygrocybe said: Sida acuta and artemisinin are OTC and work against babesia, here's more. Be careful treating babesia yourself, start with fractions of a full dose and slowly work up, the reactions can be severe.
Thanks Hygro. I originally treated the babesia with wormwood (where artemisin comes from as you probably know) a few years ago and thought I'd got rid of it. Had to stop the wormwood as it can mess with your neurological system and mine was in a bad way from the infections.
A great side effect of the hydroxychloroquine though is that I'm dreaming again. Hadn't been able to in several years, maybe down to lack of acetylcholine. Spending the night flying again is just amazing, and my cognition is greatly improved. Had no idea babesia was still lurking there and am hoping giving it a kicking will finally put me on the home straight.
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the first case of lyme diseased occurred in Connecticut, miles away from Plumb island I believe. Plumb Island is the center for animal disease control. That is more or less a fallacy. It is actually a highly classified laboratory where they do genetic testing and create and many biological diseases. If they didnt they wouldn't be associated with homeland security.
Anyway in operation paperclip America brought 1000 high ranking nazi officials from Germany to America after WW2. Many of them scientists working on various forms of weaponization and rocket propulsion, etc. Some of them worked on biological weapons and transferable diseases (I think lyme is considered a zoonoses disease-meaning it can be transferred from animals to people) these nazi scientists decided to use ticks as carriers for these diseases. Lyme was released by accident while contained on Plumb Island. its not a coincidence the first occurrence of Lyme disease happened in Connecticut, which is just miles away from Plumb Island. Im pretty sure this is correct but I might be wrong.
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Re: The Lyme Disease Thread. [Re: sprinkles] 1
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I'm pretty sure it's some fact mixed with some fiction. I know the stories, but there's also the fact that lyme has been co-evolving with humans and other mammals since before Ötzi the snowman's day and age. I do believe that it's likely that they tinkered with it in Plum Island to make it into a disease of pandemic proportions. Releases by accident... I know there have been accidents in that lab, but if the specific release of the "new and improved" lyme was actually an accident, I doubt it.
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The bacteria wasn't identified until the 1970s, but the symptoms had been noted long before in Europe and the US.
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I read a study that showed something like a 96% sero-positivity amongst the Sami reindeer herders (though I haven't been able to find the study again). This suggests we've lived with borrelia for a long long time. Since the bacteria are able to send electrical signals along our neural networks, it's even possible that we've developed a symbiotic relationship, though it doesn't seem so friendly when you're suffering badly with it.
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crowseed said: I read a study that showed something like a 96% sero-positivity amongst the Sami reindeer herders (though I haven't been able to find the study again). This suggests we've lived with borrelia for a long long time. Since the bacteria are able to send electrical signals along our neural networks, it's even possible that we've developed a symbiotic relationship, though it doesn't seem so friendly when you're suffering badly with it.
This is actually how it works with mice. They have lived with the bacteria so long that rather than creating a strong inflammatory response they produce large amounts of IL-10 (anti-inflammatory cytokine) and tolerate permanent infection without signs of major illness. The irony is that, compared to humans, they can actually harbor much larger burdens of the bacteria without any disease. So in essence, it is even possible for the sickest of individuals to have the smallest amount of bacterial burden. These kinds of concepts are common in pathology though. Serious diseases like leprosy and tuberculosis have benign, even asymptomatic, variations in certain individuals all based on the strength of immune response to certain antigens.
The thing people need to understand is that these are not bacteria that "aim" to cause disease. They are not like the opportunistic soil bacteria that will proliferate uncontrollably and exude all kinds of nasty toxins. They are quite simply cohabitants of mammals which only cause disease when the immune system becomes hypersensitive.
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crowseed said: I read a study that showed something like a 96% sero-positivity amongst the Sami reindeer herders (though I haven't been able to find the study again). This suggests we've lived with borrelia for a long long time. Since the bacteria are able to send electrical signals along our neural networks, it's even possible that we've developed a symbiotic relationship, though it doesn't seem so friendly when you're suffering badly with it.
This is actually how it works with mice. They have lived with the bacteria so long that rather than creating a strong inflammatory response they produce large amounts of IL-10 (anti-inflammatory cytokine) and tolerate permanent infection without signs of major illness. The irony is that, compared to humans, they can actually harbor much larger burdens of the bacteria without any disease. So in essence, it is even possible for the sickest of individuals to have the smallest amount of bacterial burden. These kinds of concepts are common in pathology though. Serious diseases like leprosy and tuberculosis have benign, even asymptomatic, variations in certain individuals all based on the strength of immune response to certain antigens.
The thing people need to understand is that these are not bacteria that "aim" to cause disease. They are not like the opportunistic soil bacteria that will proliferate uncontrollably and exude all kinds of nasty toxins. They are quite simply cohabitants of mammals which only cause disease when the immune system becomes hypersensitive.
So you're saying that lyme disease is simply an immune response? Simply put someone one immunosuppression medicine and than they can live in harmony with the borrelia?
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you seem to be forgetting about the implications of a lifetime of immunosuppressive medications.
Oh and no, that's not the way it works either. Giving someone immunosuppressive medication will not stop the bacteria from doing more damage.
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crowseed said: I read a study that showed something like a 96% sero-positivity amongst the Sami reindeer herders (though I haven't been able to find the study again). This suggests we've lived with borrelia for a long long time. Since the bacteria are able to send electrical signals along our neural networks, it's even possible that we've developed a symbiotic relationship, though it doesn't seem so friendly when you're suffering badly with it.
This is actually how it works with mice. They have lived with the bacteria so long that rather than creating a strong inflammatory response they produce large amounts of IL-10 (anti-inflammatory cytokine) and tolerate permanent infection without signs of major illness. The irony is that, compared to humans, they can actually harbor much larger burdens of the bacteria without any disease. So in essence, it is even possible for the sickest of individuals to have the smallest amount of bacterial burden. These kinds of concepts are common in pathology though. Serious diseases like leprosy and tuberculosis have benign, even asymptomatic, variations in certain individuals all based on the strength of immune response to certain antigens.
The thing people need to understand is that these are not bacteria that "aim" to cause disease. They are not like the opportunistic soil bacteria that will proliferate uncontrollably and exude all kinds of nasty toxins. They are quite simply cohabitants of mammals which only cause disease when the immune system becomes hypersensitive.
So you're saying that lyme disease is simply an immune response? Simply put someone one immunosuppression medicine and than they can live in harmony with the borrelia?
Yes to the first question, no to the second. Lyme, like many infections, does not produce exotoxins but is mostly an inflammatory disease as it's currently understood. No to the second question because the immune system is an extraordinarily complex and coordinated non-binary system. There's no "on and off" switch. Immunosuppressives shut down certain parts of the immune system but that is a really barbaric approach compared to the millennia of fine-tuning between a host and parasite. I over simplified when I talked about IL-10. That is one of the important regulators that has been studied, but the reality is that many adaptations take place in scenarios like this. It's not simply global immune suppression, but a fine tuning of the inflammatory response away from hypersensitivity.
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It's been a while since last post but it seems like a general lyme disease thread so hopefully bumping is allowed.
I work in the forest and often visit places with young dense growth which results in getting ticks on a daily basis during the warm months. Usually from june to september. I'm vaccinated against TBE but very aware of the problem with lyme. Luckily i've not had any symptoms of lyme yet, but as i understand it you can still carry the bacteria without symptoms.
I've read about the medicinal effects of different polypores and made two double extracts. One with birch polypore and Red-belted conk. And one with Horse hoof fungus, red-belted conk, willow bracket and some reishi.
Im a bit confused as how to use it though. Since these mushrooms actually have a antibiotic effect, can they as a consequence of daily use cause bacteria resistance? I've read different things and wondering if the compounds boost and give our own immune system what it needs to fight borrelia or if the actual compunds fight borrelia? Can these mushrooms be compared to traditional antibiotics, which you definitly shouldn't take if not needed?
My goal is to prevent myself from getting lyme in the first place.
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Re: The Lyme Disease Thread. [Re: Mohinder]
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“Spooky2”, a “rife” (royal Raymond rife) based healing modality similar to “frequency specific micro current” (frequency specific microcurrent is fda approved) has been found to help individuals find complete remission of Lyme with proper use. There is a Facebook group with testimonials.
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Raven44 said: “Spooky2”, a “rife” (royal Raymond rife) based healing modality similar to “frequency specific micro current” (frequency specific microcurrent is fda approved) has been found to help individuals find complete remission of Lyme with proper use. There is a Facebook group with testimonials.
Lol that seems like snake oil to me. A quick search reveal it as not FDA approved and have no scientific backup. I know there's a community of conspiratorial nature when it comes to lyme disease similar to electric oversensetivity so a facebook group says nothing to me.
Some medicinal mushrooms have actual scientific proven effects which can be pointed to specific compounds and how they work in the body. I'm not looking for placebo, im looking for actual scientific backed ways to strengthen my immune system.
Don't push that quackery please.
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Re: The Lyme Disease Thread. [Re: Mohinder]
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I’ve used it myself. Lol. It def works brought my swelling down from infected wisdom tooth faster than anti biotics can.
It’s not snake oil plenty of people with their own diff problems besides Lyme on FB saying what they experienced as well
Don’t use it if you don’t like it but your judgement skill are far off for sure just saying lol
I can refer you to the USA lead frequency specific micro current specialist if you’d like. Spooky2 is non fda and higher power tho and more versatile. Lots of research to understand the stuff for most but worth it
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#28091409 - 12/10/22 05:58 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Raven44 said: I’ve used it myself. Lol. It def works brought my swelling down from infected wisdom tooth faster than anti biotics can.
It’s not snake oil plenty of people with their own diff problems besides Lyme on FB saying what they experienced as well
Don’t use it if you don’t like it but your judgement skill are far off for sure just saying lol
I can refer you to the USA lead frequency specific micro current specialist if you’d like. Spooky2 is non fda and higher power tho and more versatile. Lots of research to understand the stuff for most but worth it
You using it yourself and others saying it works proves nothing. Do you know what placebo can do? What would prove that it works would be scientific research which seems to not have found any evidence for it. Most likely it's just placebo because people want it to work.
It's like snake oil because it claims to cure all kind of diseases with no scientific backup and there's products for hundreds of dollars which makes it a profitable business if people believe it works.
My judgement skills are off? You're the one saying specific frequences cure diseases even though there are no scientific evidence for it. You rather go off anecdotal storys than actual science 
Lists a wild amount of diseases you apparently have by just using a low frequency machine that's connected to your computer.  https://quackwatch.org/device/reports/spooky2/
FTC warns the spooky2 community for it's claim to cure covid with zero evidence. https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/warning-letters/covid-19-letter_to_dap_spooky_2_scalar.pdf
There's some experiments done with electromagnetic frequency on animals and few humans that showed some cancer growth inhibitation but that was not the same electromagnetic frequencies that rife machine use. Currently there are no evidence for rife machine. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325628#evidence
FSM use a loop hole to call it FDA approved. It's actually a TENS machine that's FDA approved because that have scientific evidence. FSM machine just falls into the TENS category because TENS use milli-ampere current and FSM use micro-ampere current. So they call a FSM machine FDA approved even though it's a completely different device. https://frequencyspecific.com/faqs/?Display_FAQ=14394
Can you provide me with one independent study showing that spooky2 works? And not from a "USA lead frequency specific micro current specialist" which has a huge insentive to say it works because they make fat amounts of money from it.
Sad that alternative medicine which can be scientificly proven to have effects and possibly become more main stream and help the general public often intertvine with straight up quackery.
I'm insterested in how these scams work and this seems to be almost cult-like.
$1495 for a 5 day seminar https://frequencyspecific.com/microcurrent-training/2023-phoenix-fsm-core-training/
$100 for a pdf compendium https://frequencyspecific.com/advanced-compendium/
$1495 for a download of a 5 day training video https://frequencyspecific.com/microcurrent-training/5-day-core-fsm-2022-video-training/
Just look at these prices for videos to download, it's ridiculous. https://frequencyspecific.com/product-category/downloads/
A level system that cost money to level up. Scientology vibes. https://frequencyspecific.com/certification/
What medical practitioner sells their own merch? /swag/ LOL https://frequencyspecific.com/swag/
Most sites don't show price unless you log in. Hmm i wonder why. But this site sells a machine for $2198 https://www.forresthealth.com/inspirstar-microcurrent-stimulator.html
Spooky2 seems to be a budget version with the cheapeast going for $156 and most expensive for $516. https://www.spooky2-mall.com/product-category/kits/spooky2-xm-generator-kits/
The machine doesn't seem to be anything special or expensive to make. Basicly some circuit board with components that emits these low frequencies. A LED screen and a software made to interpret what the low frequencies find. Would be interesting to know how that software was programmed
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Re: The Lyme Disease Thread. [Re: Mohinder]
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Your funny, lmao
You people who need scientific research to back things haven’t got a clue how much information is suppressed
Keep on being a NON believer all you’d like but your not proving anything. Most sites don’t have a price wout logging in? That’s a lie in fact zero you need to log in to see a price
It’s always amusing to see people who seek to disprove things without any sort of open mind just a need to be right because they can’t be wrong or accept new things into their reality without proof.
You have no idea how the machine works and what diff things it’s capable of you also don’t care to try to understand it at all. You just wanna stubbornly prove it doesn’t work when you don’t own one and try to say my mouth infection went away from placebo? Ok fool lol antibiotics had already been taken once and magically it went away the second time hahahahahahahahahahah
Plenty of people have been bitten by the same bug as you. Gotta prove things wrong always and always be right. It’s called narcissistic
Whatever frequency specific prices your looking at also mean nothing. Just that your broke and unaware how much cancer treatment costs lol
FSM is similar to spooky2 I don’t own FSM tho and haven’t done the research on it it’s a nice reference tho here.
Do you really think a device which actually heals would be FDA approved lmao? Jays the most funny part here to me. There is no money in healing. That’s why all the fda approved crap doesn’t heal only masks symptoms ect so they can make money
Why am I even wasting my breath on this lol.
Have fun waiting for that fda approved magic pill that isn’t snake oil man
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Raven44 said: Your funny, lmao
You people who need scientific research to back things haven’t got a clue how much information is suppressed
Keep on being a NON believer all you’d like but your not proving anything. Most sites don’t have a price wout logging in? That’s a lie in fact zero you need to log in to see a price
It’s always amusing to see people who seek to disprove things without any sort of open mind just a need to be right because they can’t be wrong or accept new things into their reality without proof.
You have no idea how the machine works and what diff things it’s capable of you also don’t care to try to understand it at all. You just wanna stubbornly prove it doesn’t work when you don’t own one and try to say my mouth infection went away from placebo? Ok fool lol antibiotics had already been taken once and magically it went away the second time hahahahahahahahahahah
Plenty of people have been bitten by the same bug as you. Gotta prove things wrong always and always be right. It’s called narcissistic
Whatever frequency specific prices your looking at also mean nothing. Just that your broke and unaware how much cancer treatment costs lol
FSM is similar to spooky2 I don’t own FSM tho and haven’t done the research on it it’s a nice reference tho here.
Do you really think a device which actually heals would be FDA approved lmao? Jays the most funny part here to me. There is no money in healing. That’s why all the fda approved crap doesn’t heal only masks symptoms ect so they can make money
Why am I even wasting my breath on this lol.
Have fun waiting for that fda approved magic pill that isn’t snake oil man
Man you're so far up there.. You know a mouth infection can heal itself? You using your frequencies is called a coincidence. But you want it to work so you ascribe it to curing that problem.
Yeah 100% i want to prove you wrong because what you're suggesting can be straight up dangerous. If there's someone else that's more easily fooled and trust people more and they get into this shit believing it could treat their cancer instead of getting actual medical help, they can die. People with serious illnesses buy into this shit and get ripped off and instead of getting a serious treatment which is already expensive. I can agree that american health system suck because it makes poor people seek out cheaper treatments like this which is basicly a scam. Would you say this machine is enough to treat cancer or would you say you should get traditional cancer treatment aswell?
Funny how you call people like me narcisstic when you're the one ascribing your personal testimony as evidence. I would say that's more egotistical than trusting in professionals. And it's funny how you mock FDA and traditional medicine for just wanting to make money when the people pushing this device and treatment this is doing exactly the same, the difference being that traditional medicine actually works based on evidence.
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You people who need scientific research to back things haven’t got a clue how much information is suppressed

Thanks but I think I'll trust the person who understands the scientific process over the person who can't differentiate between you're and your.
Look, if it works for you then great. Absolutely enjoy the hell out of being taken for a ride and throwing your money at a complete bullshit scam, but the only place you need to look for poor judgement skills is in the mirror.
While we're at it, no fungi is going to prevent you from getting or cure you of lyme disease. The way to prevent is to wear tick appropriate clothing while in tick prone areas, and bonus points for deet/per infused clothing. One of the most genius things I ever saw was this set of Ukrainian tick pants that tucked in and tied around the heel, and had folds all the way up the pants about 12" apart ending with a big fold at the waist line. The ticks would crawl upwards on the pants and get stuck in the folds.
Once you've contracted lime disease you need massive doses of antibiotics, it's the only cure and only if you catch it early enough. My friends who swore by naturopaths now have lime disease permanently, the ones who saw an MD are free of it... no exceptions.
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