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what's so bad about kerry?
    #2438943 - 03/16/04 01:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

would you prefer bush over kerry?

why?

what's so bad about him?


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: ]
    #2439002 - 03/16/04 01:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I prefer Bush. Unfortunately, by dint of hard work and superior intelligence (as opposed to inheritence and marriage) I am in the wealthy class he has demonized ($200,000 a year is wealthy???? in NY????), in spite of the fact that we pay most of the taxes already. This is my beef with all Democrats. I also think the Ds have lost their way on security, especially his generation (and mine) because of the horrors the Ds brought us with Vietnam. I absolutely do not think it is in anyone's interest to be taken care of by the government. You lose your motivation and your will when you realize that all your striving will only result in your being taxed to death to support slackers. Disaster relief is fine but cradle to grave relief is a disaster. FDR did more damage to this country with his Social Security Ponzi scheme than anyone else. And it's mostly you suckers who are gonna be left holding the bag when we start to collect. Don't blame us though, we paid more than we will ever collect. You'll be paying for my grandfather's SS, with interest.

Kerry sucks because he is soft on security (a legitimate role of government) and long on pandering. I also find him to be even more dishonest than the current administration and Clinton combined.


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2439098 - 03/16/04 01:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

zappaisgod writes:

I am in the wealthy class he has demonized...

You are ?!?!

You mean you are a lazy neocon born-to-privilege capitalist resource-sucking hegemonist running-dog revisionary paper-tiger bourgeois blood-sucking parasitical cheap-labor environment-raping sweatshop-product-buying arbitraging corporate-welfare-receiving union-busting exploiter of the downtrodden?

Dude, you are way evil. You are everything that is wrong in the world today. I'll thank you never to post on this board again.

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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: Phred]
    #2439151 - 03/16/04 02:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

YES YES THAT IS ME. oh how ashamed I feel. Pardon me whilst I flay myself in obeisance.

("not born to" by the way, in the sense that Kerry is)

If I cut my dick off and promise not to infect the gene pool can I still post????


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2439167 - 03/16/04 02:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

zappaisgod writes:

"not born to" by the way...

Liar. Everyone knows there is no way to make that kind of money unless one has the good fortune to be born into privilege.

You are evil.

Evil!!

EVILLLLLLL !!!!!

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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2439173 - 03/16/04 02:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I also think the Ds have lost their way on security,
especially his generation (and mine) because of the
horrors the Ds brought us with Vietnam.


that's funny, I can think of a couple republicans that
kept that horror rolling long enough to double the
US casualties and illegally spread the war into other
countries.

Kerry sucks because he is soft on security (a legitimate
role of government) and long on pandering.


you keep claiming this, but how, exactly, is kerry soft on
security?

how is george bush not also a panderer when you consider
what he's done to placate the religious right and earn the
mexican vote?


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: ]
    #2439207 - 03/16/04 02:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Now that I've exorcised the evil one, back on topic.

Kerry is not really any worse than any other of the Democratic candidates, with the possible exception of Joe Lieberman.

He is 100% a creature of politics, born to privilege, never had to work a day in his life, with no understanding of the legitimate function of government, not the faintest understanding of even the most basic of economic principles, and to top it all off is an even worse public speaker than Bush (yes, I know that is hard to accomplish, but he pulls it off consistently). John Kerry actually makes Al Gore seem interesting.

Then there are his positions. He is all things to all men. "Don't like my stand on this issue? No problem. Ask me again later in the interview." The flipflop man.

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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: afoaf]
    #2439233 - 03/16/04 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't want to do the "who did Vietnam debate here". It's too long and you are wrong.

Kerry says he is soft on security, view his voting record

I suspect the religious right is less happy with W than you think and there is no Mexican vote in this country. If by Mexican vote you mean American citizens of Hispanic origin and by pandering you mean welcoming workers from South American countries, ok. I think it's fine by the way. I am not remotely interested in hearing about jobs lost to foreigners when I can't find a carpenter or apprentice to hire who speaks English as a first language. We need them.


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: Phred]
    #2439300 - 03/16/04 02:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

You mean you are a lazy neocon born-to-privilege capitalist resource-sucking hegemonist running-dog revisionary paper-tiger bourgeois blood-sucking parasitical cheap-labor environment-raping sweatshop-product-buying arbitraging corporate-welfare-receiving union-busting exploiter of the downtrodden?




first of all..i realize that you meant to be sarcastic ..unfortunately..however..neoconpoops arent too good at it..and too often..as in this case..their intended sarcasm turns out to be the reality...

second of all..to get back on topic..neocons can always accuse ppl of slacking..and justify their perverted agendas on that basis...so what the poster is saying is merely that neocons like himself prefer bush...


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2439322 - 03/16/04 02:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And neocoms prefer Kerry? I can believe that.

The Islamists also prefer Kerry. So does North Korea.

There's no shortage of posters here bashing Bush -- my efforts are not required. Just thought I'd point out reasons for voting against Kerry. If I were an American, I'd certainly never vote for the most liberal senator in America.

pinky


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: Phred]
    #2439389 - 03/16/04 03:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And neocoms prefer Kerry? I can believe that. Islamists certainly do.

i assume that by "islamist" you mean a US follower of the islamic religion and/or the arab-american community...maybe they prefer kerry because bush is disappearing them and keeping them imprisoned without a trial nor a lawyer...

I were an American, I'd certainly never vote for the most liberal senator in America.

i dont know who the *most* liberal senator in america is..but its not kerry...ted kennedy is more liberal then kerry..and there are prolly others too...


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2439420 - 03/16/04 03:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No, you are mistaken. Kerry tracks to the left of Kennedy and everyone else in the Senate on his voting record. You can look it up.


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2439457 - 03/16/04 03:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Islamists are not merely followers of Islam. Islamists are the radicals, the fanatics, the Jihadists, the bomb "martyrs". The Osama bin Ladens, if you will.

Regular ole everyday followers of Islam are Muslims.

i dont know who the *most* liberal senator in america is..but its not kerry...ted kennedy is more liberal then kerry..and there are prolly others too...

Actually, it is Kerry. The information is available in many places. Kerry out-Kennedys Kennedy.

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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: Phred]
    #2439526 - 03/16/04 03:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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He is 100% a creature of politics, born to privilege, never had to work a day in his life, with no understanding of the legitimate function of government, not the faintest understanding of even the most basic of economic principles...




sounds like Bush and a majority of his cabinet, allies, family, and supporters.


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: Phred]
    #2439549 - 03/16/04 03:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Actually, it is Kerry. The information is available in many places neocon web sites. Kerry out-Kennedys Kennedy.

and if kerry really is the most liberal senator in the senate..then thats all the more reason to vote for him...


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2439572 - 03/16/04 03:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

He, himself is ashamed of it.


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2439848 - 03/16/04 04:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so nixon didn't illegaly spread the war into cambodia
and didn't convince the south koreans to walk away
from the bargaining table, promising them more when
he got elected?

I think it's fine by the way. I am not remotely
interested in hearing about jobs lost to foreigners
when I can't find a carpenter or apprentice to hire
who speaks English as a first language


that sentence seems like a contradiction in terms...
if you can't find an english speaking carpenter, then
you should be worried about jobs lost to foreigners
and doubly so if geedub get's approval to open our
already troubled borders up to workers from mexico.

as for the religous right, bush has pushed through
late-term abortion legislation, taken a stand against
the gay marriage issue, his FCC is cracking down
hard on indecency in the media and he's doing his
best to weaken the seperation between church and
state by pushing for faith-based initiatives to solve
social problems, spending government money on
religious endeavors....looks like a lot of pandering
to jesus to me.


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: afoaf]
    #2439992 - 03/16/04 05:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know how you can not understand my jobs point. My point is that there is a severe shortage of English speaking Americans who will work construction. I think its an honorable trade but nobody will do it except the immigrants. There are plenty of jobs, I pay well and I will teach you all you can learn. I get no applicants. None. I prefer English speakers because I have to explain things, in detail, to do the job and to keep the idiots from hurting themselves. Jobs in construction are going begging. I need the Mexicans because the Americans won't take the jobs.

The stuff you listed as pandering to the religious right is not confined to the interests of the rr. You mischaracterize the FCC crackdown to be for all media when it only relates to over the air media, which the governmenet has always regulated. The late term abortion thing was related to one specific procedure (although I agree it should be the doctor's decision). Kerry has also pandered to the religious right, then, by coming out against gay marriage. And the faith based initiatives are bullshit, I agree. But all politicians have been sucking up to the god ass.

Also, the stuff you mention isn't the religious right stuff. The country is really evenly divided on these things, it's not fringe stuff. I agree with most of your positions. I just don't agree that W is a bad guy or a bad president and I really think Kerry is a phony scumbag


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Re: what's so bad about kerry? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2441889 - 03/17/04 03:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Have you tried paying them with money? Maybe that would attract some skilled English speaking workers.


As for faith based stuff, the government funds secular programs all the time, why should a church based program that is as or more effective be ineligible just because a religion is involved?


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