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Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians
    #24383110 - 06/06/17 05:10 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I like to use a lot of Spawn to substrate sometimes as much as 50/50
Im also getting a lot of overlay issues
My hopes are that by using that much spawn in my subs that they will colonize a lot faster keep bacterial infections out easier and then I let them colonize for two weeks before birthing them in shoe boxes

I've had problems with the Hawaiian strain, Jamaican and now I'm on the tropicals trying to get away from the overlay problems
What are your thoughts ??

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 99.99]
    #24384001 - 06/06/17 11:18 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

are you using agar to clean up a culture or going from spores to grains/poo.....


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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24384030 - 06/06/17 11:36 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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are you using agar to clean up a culture or going from spores to grains/poo.....




Spores to agar then to grain then bulk all using a flowhood

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 99.99]
    #24384090 - 06/07/17 12:08 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Why do you think it's overlay?


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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #24384235 - 06/07/17 02:06 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Why do you think it's overlay?




Well I assume this is overlay it does produce pins but very few of them and they are scattered on the whole sub not just one point,



As a test i gently scraped off the casing layer and re-cased it with the same Jiffy mix I used originally and now it's pining again but without what I assume is overlay

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 99.99]
    #24385158 - 06/07/17 12:29 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

If it's pinning it's not overlaid. You incubated a little too long (I don't incubate after casing at all) but that's about it. What kind of FC is that?


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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #24385324 - 06/07/17 01:33 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Im not talking about one time im talking about a process for the last year of all types of fruiting chamber's
I get clean spawn ! They just have a really hard time fruiting

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 99.99]
    #24388152 - 06/08/17 12:41 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I'd suggest a better FC. Maybe set up a greenhouse and get it dialed in. Also, get a good design and stick with it for a minute. You will rarely get something perfectly dialed in on the first run.

Trays in a loosely-stuffed monotub should work well.


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #24388809 - 06/08/17 04:58 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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I'd suggest a better FC. Maybe set up a greenhouse and get it dialed in. Also, get a good design and stick with it for a minute. You will rarely get something perfectly dialed in on the first run.

Trays in a loosely-stuffed monotub should work well.




I do use a martha green house, its worked perfect for the last two years on penis envy but the pans seem to need somthing differnt

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 99.99]
    #24389096 - 06/08/17 06:33 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Well of course. They want more FAE. They are a different species after all.


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #24389222 - 06/08/17 07:12 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I thouhgt they would so this is one of the adaptations I have made to the greenhouse to add air



Thank you for the great input  I didn't think I was going to describe my whole set up, my falt
Anyways Any thoughts about my original question about the amount of Spawn to substrate causing an issue

Edited by 99.99 (06/08/17 07:28 PM)

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 99.99]
    #24401436 - 06/13/17 06:30 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Your spawn to bulk ratio is too high.  Panaeolus don't like that high of a spawn ratio like cubes.  Go with a 1:2 spawn ratio, tops.


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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: hamloaf]
    #24635899 - 09/16/17 05:06 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Just about half of what you have bulk is about right for the amount of spawn. Or , about twice as much bulk material as spawn is pretty close to ideal.

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: kingkc]
    #24635902 - 09/16/17 05:08 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Once those pins show up you can almost watch the pans grow right before your eyes if it is hot and humid.

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #24638687 - 09/17/17 04:53 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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If it's pinning it's not overlaid. You incubated a little too long (I don't incubate after casing at all) but that's about it. What kind of FC is that?




I found out my problem was mycogone ore white mold

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 99.99] * 1
    #24674309 - 10/01/17 04:45 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

In 40 years of mushroom growing, I don't remember seeing overlay beyond a time or two.  If you have poor pinning performance, look at strain isolation or grow parameters.
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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #24687637 - 10/06/17 06:53 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Images to check and see if it's overlay.

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: Cookies]
    #24688807 - 10/06/17 03:51 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

It wasnt overlay, im pretty sure white mold


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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: 99.99]
    #24722239 - 10/19/17 02:52 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Overlay is uncommon with pans in my experiences as they are so fast and vigorous that the thin layer of casing is practically of no consequence. I like as much spawn as possible in all grows.
  It seems that once they start pinning they just keep on growing .

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Re: Overlay VS amount of Spawn used for PanCambodians [Re: kingkc] * 1
    #24734182 - 10/24/17 02:11 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

um...no one is going to comment on the fact that RR posted?!?  and for the first time in forever??
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