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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24516900 - 07/29/17 07:59 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I used to use BTC-e and probably still would be if they dealt with Feathercoin. Must be a tragic feeling for people who had funds locked up in the exchange. I am shocked that the price of cryptos haven't skipped a beat.


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24516904 - 07/29/17 08:00 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

The guy who ran BTC-E got picked up by the FBI in Greece. I don't think they intended to shut down, rather the USA is going after him for helping launder billions of dollars in Bitcoin in their 6 year history.

I don't know what to think of this Bitcoin Cash thing. Is it going to gain enough momentum to go anywhere? Are miners going to want to mine it? If it's only worth a couple hundred bucks is even going to be worth it for miners?


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #24518233 - 07/30/17 02:10 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Just make sure you get your coin off of a bank/exchange, like coinbase, and into a wallet, like bittrex. Bittrex has agreed to honor both coins
https://support.bittrex.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004479127-Statement-about-potential-Bitcoin-hard-fork

This way no matter what the market decides, your coins are safe.


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: amp244]
    #24518272 - 07/30/17 02:32 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

@amp, you recommend bittrex? Have you used it yourself and for how long? I plan to keep mine in electrum and then see what happens when the dust settles.

Avoid coinbase


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #24519469 - 07/30/17 11:30 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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The guy who ran BTC-E got picked up by the FBI in Greece. I don't think they intended to shut down, rather the USA is going after him for helping launder billions of dollars in Bitcoin in their 6 year history.

I don't know what to think of this Bitcoin Cash thing. Is it going to gain enough momentum to go anywhere? Are miners going to want to mine it? If it's only worth a couple hundred bucks is even going to be worth it for miners?




I heard this guy who owned BTC-E might have had something to do with the mt gox hacking or the laundering of the coins? Don't know if that info is accurate

I don't have many bitcoins but I'll be keeping them in electrum as well then if I do want my bitcoin cash I'll be able to get them, if they don't go to shit first


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #24520656 - 07/31/17 03:01 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I've been on a buying binge lately with bitcoin even though it was up in price. I just looked and it now some 2860 per coin, a nice increase since I bought already. Looks like I was right so far anyway. Tomorrow is the forkus in the dorkus, remains to be seen what happens but with price rising I expect good things.

In addition to price going up, there is the side chain which means we will get a bch coin for each btc we own at the fork. Those could be a bonanza, I plan to invest a lot in them too. I have over 48 btc at the moment, might switch to investing mostly in bch after the split. Probably will wait until the selloff to pick them up.


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24520715 - 07/31/17 03:25 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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@amp, you recommend bittrex? Have you used it yourself and for how long? I plan to keep mine in electrum and then see what happens when the dust settles.

Avoid coinbase




I've just recently entered the crypto market within the passed two months and I've used bittrex all the while.

I've had no problems with it, though I've traded moderately. I originally wanted a poloniex, but they wouldn't allow me to deposit etherium at the time, so I got the bittrex.


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: amp244]
    #24520744 - 07/31/17 03:38 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I will look into bittrex, is it easy to put cash into it? I don't like doing bank wires or being limited to a few hundred $ per week ach. They trade btc and eth both? Maybe they will handle bch too?

I did a recount and have even more coins than I thought, forgot about my most recent purchase.

Bch is around 299 on the futures market. I think that is a little high, I would love to plunge in at a lower price.


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24521083 - 07/31/17 06:01 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Bitcoin:  Capped at 21 million coins, EVER, in production.............until WE decide to fork the chain and double to 42 million coins, EVER, until we decide to fork each chain resulting in 84 million coins, EVER, rinse and repeat.



BTC is good for a laugh




Let us not forget that BTC is valued in FIAT currency.


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: Tulipslave]
    #24521237 - 07/31/17 07:04 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

No, bitcoin has not doubled. The segwit branch will be btc and the other branch bch. The thing is those new coins were given free to present btc holders. Unlike when govt prints up more cash and distributes it only to the fat cats and to keep govt bloated and ignoring reality. If govt increases the money supply 10% via qe, do you get 10% more of the cash you already have? No, you get nothing so its not the same at all

Wait till your fiat collapses in value from rapid inflation when the financial hijinks come home to roost. You will wish your money had been in btc or gold, or anything solid rather than fiat.


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: Tulipslave]
    #24521241 - 07/31/17 07:05 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Bitcoin:  Capped at 21 million coins, EVER, in production.............until WE decide to fork the chain and double to 42 million coins, EVER, until we decide to fork each chain resulting in 84 million coins, EVER, rinse and repeat.



BTC is good for a laugh

GS has the patent on this.  What more can be said other than yeah it's a fucked ordeal waiting to happen.  Digital currency has been the wet dream of the elite and the BTC nonsense is their test run.  Then to make people believe this construct has value, because it is going up in price?  HA HA.

I don't get it either.




Let us not forget that BTC is valued in FIAT currency.




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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: Tulipslave]
    #24521496 - 07/31/17 08:55 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Tulipslave said:
Bitcoin:  Capped at 21 million coins, EVER, in production.............until WE decide to fork the chain and double to 42 million coins, EVER, until we decide to fork each chain resulting in 84 million coins, EVER, rinse and repeat.



BTC is good for a laugh




Let us not forget that BTC is valued in FIAT currency.




Gold is now priced in US dollars as well, I'll be happier when dollars are priced in gold. :vibin:


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24522525 - 08/01/17 10:32 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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What about selling it?




How would it get credited to your account without an account routing number?

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Avoid coinbase, use localbitcoins or paxful. CB keeps all your info and hands it over to the govt.

Btc-e shut down and ran off with the money, when will cb do the same? Many people say they have been scammed already by cb




I haven't heard of anyone being scammed by CB...I've only heard glowing reviews (along with my own experience). I also have trouble believing that the current largest exchange is gonna pull an exit scam. Compared to every other exchange, CB would have a lot more people out for blood.


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: Kryptos]
    #24522719 - 08/01/17 12:33 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

It's not so much an issue of exit scam, as it is the cumbersome way in which Coinbase internally regulates the process of procuring and transferring BTC, in addition to a limited number of trading tools compared to other exchanges (if active trading is your thing).  In particular, they blacklist certain wallets for gambling, darknets, etc... so if you move coins to/from your Coinbase account from any of these blacklisted wallets, they will ban you from their platform.  This doesn't mean they will steal the coins you have there, but you may face a delay in retrieving them.

I've used Coinbase for quite some time, but I moved all of my coins off of their exchange as soon as I read that they would not support the Bitcoin Cash (BCC) fork of the original Bitcoin (BTC) blockchain that went into effect earlier this morning.  It's an insult to their customers not to credit them with an equal amount of BCC, since BCC is using the original BTC blockchain data up until the fork, thus preserving the entire history of BTC transactions, and so everyone who held BTC at the time of the fork necessarily holds BCC on the new BCC fork. 

At worst, what Coinbase did could be considered outright theft.  Afeterall, other exchanges like Kraken had no problem crediting my account with BCC this morning (and I can easily copy my private BTC wallet keys to a new BCC client to claim the corresponding BCC coins; although this should be done only after moving the BTC coins to a new BTC wallet in order to mitigate risk of someone attempting to reply the transaction).

It might sound a bit confusing, but the bottom line is that if you owned coins on the BTC blockchain as of this morning when the BCC blockchain forked off, you should own an equal number of BCC coins.  At the time of this writing, these BCC coins are trading at around $200 a piece.  So Coinbase, by denying their clients their rightful claim on BCC coins equivalent to their BTC holdings, has just landed a huge windfall in the amount of ~$200 for every BTC in their possession.  Put plainly, it just seems like a big "fuck you" to their clients.


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: geokills]
    #24522784 - 08/01/17 01:16 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Like I said... scammers. And there are plenty of stories out there of people saying they got robbed by cb long before this.


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24523733 - 08/01/17 09:51 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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It's not so much an issue of exit scam, as it is the cumbersome way in which Coinbase internally regulates the process of procuring and transferring BTC, in addition to a limited number of trading tools compared to other exchanges (if active trading is your thing).  In particular, they blacklist certain wallets for gambling, darknets, etc... so if you move coins to/from your Coinbase account from any of these blacklisted wallets, they will ban you from their platform.  This doesn't mean they will steal the coins you have there, but you may face a delay in retrieving them.

I've used Coinbase for quite some time, but I moved all of my coins off of their exchange as soon as I read that they would not support the Bitcoin Cash (BCC) fork of the original Bitcoin (BTC) blockchain that went into effect earlier this morning.  It's an insult to their customers not to credit them with an equal amount of BCC, since BCC is using the original BTC blockchain data up until the fork, thus preserving the entire history of BTC transactions, and so everyone who held BTC at the time of the fork necessarily holds BCC on the new BCC fork. 

At worst, what Coinbase did could be considered outright theft.  Afeterall, other exchanges like Kraken had no problem crediting my account with BCC this morning (and I can easily copy my private BTC wallet keys to a new BCC client to claim the corresponding BCC coins; although this should be done only after moving the BTC coins to a new BTC wallet in order to mitigate risk of someone attempting to reply the transaction).

It might sound a bit confusing, but the bottom line is that if you owned coins on the BTC blockchain as of this morning when the BCC blockchain forked off, you should own an equal number of BCC coins.  At the time of this writing, these BCC coins are trading at around $200 a piece.  So Coinbase, by denying their clients their rightful claim on BCC coins equivalent to their BTC holdings, has just landed a huge windfall in the amount of ~$200 for every BTC in their possession.  Put plainly, it just seems like a big "fuck you" to their clients.




Cumbersome transactions and clumsy trading tools is most definitely a matter of opinion. Yes, if you're a day trader, CB is likely not the platform for you. There are exchanges specifically for that, with generally higher fees. You can't rally fault a company for deciding to limit their business, much like I can't really fault you for deciding I'm a retard and should be ignored as long as you don't interfere with my life.

Again, I have not had a single bad experience with CB. I am not a day trader. I'm maybe a weekly trader, tops, and I don't mind waiting three days for my money to show up. Even though they say that the account credit should take 5 days to a week, I've never had it take longer than two and change.

They did also send out multiple emails to every customer informing them of this. I got one last month, two weeks ago, and another 3-4 days ago. If you consider that scamming, then...I mean, how? It's like if a con man came up to you and said "Hi, I'm a conman, and I plan on screwing you over! Wanna be friends?" And then reminded you that he was a conman planning to screw you the next three times you hung out. Scamming involves some sort of duping or misdirection. Define: scam (google) "a dishonest scheme; a fraud". I see no dishonesty on their part.

If they decided to not honor BCC without telling anyone about it, then yes. I would be right there next to you calling them scammers, but they didn't. It's like calling CB scammers because they don't trade in ripple while other exchanges do. Or calling me a scammer because I say I'm a chemist but have almost no clue about anything involving transition metals. Like, yeah, I don't know *all* of chemistry, I focus on organic synthesis.

Also, somewhat relevant:

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Stonehenge said:
Avoid coinbase, use localbitcoins or paxful. CB keeps all your info and hands it over to the govt.

Btc-e shut down and ran off with the money, when will cb do the same? Many people say they have been scammed already by cb




Coinbase has taken the IRS to court claiming that their request for information is a fishing expedition and that they will not comply with an illegal order. While I don't think they have officially sued the IRS over the order, they have backed customers in their lawsuits, and has said that it will join as a plaintiff if the IRS does not retract their information request.

http://insidebitcoins.com/news/coinbase-versus-irs-irs-concedes-first-round/62496


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: Kryptos]
    #24524338 - 08/02/17 08:15 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Cumbersome transactions and clumsy trading tools is most definitely a matter of opinion. Yes, if you're a day trader, CB is likely not the platform for you. There are exchanges specifically for that, with generally higher fees. You can't rally fault a company for deciding to limit their business



I'm not faulting them for that decision, it is simply a limit of functionality, and of course, for people who aren't interested in trading and want a streamlined method to obtain the major crypto coins, Coinbase has been a fine solution.  As previously noted, I have been a client of theirs and have previously recommended them to others.

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They did also send out multiple emails to every customer informing them of this [not supporting the Bitcoin Cash fork]. I got one last month, two weeks ago, and another 3-4 days ago. If you consider that scamming, then...I mean, how? ... If they decided to not honor BCC without telling anyone about it, then yes. I would be right there next to you calling them scammers, but they didn't. It's like calling CB scammers because they don't trade in ripple while other exchanges do.



The problem is that whether or not they want to "support" bitcoin cash, they technically hold the coins regardless.  In a somewhat similar manner as to a traditional stock split, if you own 50 shares of a stock and the company decides to split the shares 2:1, you are automatically entitled to own a total of 100 shares after the split.  In this bitcoin blockchain split, every wallet address technically owns coins on both chains at the time of the split.  This is non-negotiable, it is just a simple fact.  The problem is that Coinbase now owns these new coins (regardless of what they say), and is not allowing their customers access to them.  At the time of this writing, these new Bitcoin Cash coins are trading at $650 a piece.  That's not chump change, especially for a company that holds hundreds of thousands of these coins which are being wilfully withheld from their clients.

Now I don't think Coinbase is necessarily going to hold these coins forever.  If history is any guide, they tried to do this with the Ethereum fork, but ultimately did allow customers to withdraw the Ethereum Classic coins that were created.  I can't imagine that they will be allowed to withhold what, at present value amounts to at least hundreds of millions of dollars worth of bitcoin cash which should belong to their clients.  If they do try to pull that, there will be class action lawsuits without a doubt.

Followup: Fortune.com: Coinbase Faces Backlash, Legal Risk Over Bitcoin Cash


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: geokills]
    #24528736 - 08/03/17 10:53 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Yea coinbase is way out of line with this. People should have access to their coin. Yea they sent out emails communicating their intentions and giving official notice. They have properly covered their asses.


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24528744 - 08/03/17 10:55 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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I will look into bittrex, is it easy to put cash into it? I don't like doing bank wires or being limited to a few hundred $ per week ach. They trade btc and eth both? Maybe they will handle bch too?






It does have USD exchanges, though I haven't used them. I've always deposited coin from other exchanges into my bittrex wallet.


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Re: Is Bitcoin actually a good investment? [Re: amp244]
    #24528831 - 08/03/17 11:18 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Coinbase actually IS giving their customers their rightful BCC. They were never going to just not give customers their BCC. Having said that, I'm not the biggest fan of coinbase, but they are in fact storing their customer's BCC and will be allowing access in the near future when they implement BCC on their network.

BCC is just another altcoin though. Never going to go anywhere. If I was to buy an alt coin, it wouldn't be BCC.


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