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Eclipse3130
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: badchad]
#24351331 - 05/26/17 10:57 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you want less side effects of LSD scope out ALD52. I don't even consume LSD anymore because of its harsh array of side effects and constriction.
Has already been said before
Purity doesn't effect anything but potenCy AND reflective quality. A pure crystal will be able to hold and radiate intent and energy better than one that is not. That's why Nick Sand was so astout to claiming his Orange Sunshine crystal as very pure and blessed. Because with optimal purity and reflective quality, his energy and intentions were absorbed and radiated in every experience
Crystals 101
Set and Setting
100 micrograms of 99% pure LSD is the exact same as taking 200 micrograms of 50% pure LSD.
LSD is LSD THC is THC
There's no such thing as impurity that will change the effects of the drug, of course unless it's psychoactive. LSD impurities are not
It's been studied and tested many times, there is no impurity that causes any psychological effect rather than the placebo.
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24351379 - 05/26/17 11:18 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: THC is THC
I do not believe that is the case. It seems obvious to me that different strains of cannabis have different effects, different inflections on THC's activity. Any marijuana dispensary or doctor who knows anything about medical marijuana will tell you that. But, as far as I know, none of those other cannabinoids will get you high on their own in the way THC will, even though they may have other pharmacological activity. But, they do seem to have an influence on the psychoactive effect of THC.
Like when I gave my buddy a hit of extract and he had to smoke a bowl of herb to make it feel more "fuzzy headed" and "less cerebral" (his words).
I'm regretting debating. That other cannabinoids alter the psychoactive effects of THC is not even a controversial statement.
Thanks for the tip about the ALD-52 though!
Edited by Space Monkey (05/26/17 11:24 AM)
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: Space Monkey]
#24351405 - 05/26/17 11:35 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're jumping the gun my friend.
THC isolated is THC, if you have a THC extract it's usually only or dominantly THC, with the exception of terpenes.
What you're speaking of is the flowers of Cannabis which contain well over 100 unique individual cannabinoids which have a drastic effect and make each strain unique and individual.
THC is THC... how can it not be?
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: Space Monkey]
#24351407 - 05/26/17 11:36 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Space Monkey said: But, they do seem to have an influence on the psychoactive effect of THC.
While this may be true, it's not the case for all compounds and plants.
To answer your previous question: In some cases, a purified extract will be identical to a whole plant based compound, in others, the other active constituents of the plant will produce pharmacological interactions. It also depends on the response you're examining.
For an extremely potent compound like LSD, any "impurities" are likely to be present in such small amounts that they have no effect on the experience, especially given the large role of non-pharmaocological factors (e.g., set and setting).
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: Space Monkey]
#24351428 - 05/26/17 11:47 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Space Monkey said: I do not believe that is the case. It seems obvious to me that different strains of cannabis have different effects, different inflections on THC's activity. Any marijuana dispensary or doctor who knows anything about medical marijuana will tell you that. But, as far as I know, none of those other cannabinoids will get you high on their own in the way THC will, even though they may have other pharmacological activity. But, they do seem to have an influence on the psychoactive effect of THC.
Like when I gave my buddy a hit of extract and he had to smoke a bowl of herb to make it feel more "fuzzy headed" and "less cerebral" (his words).
I'm regretting debating. That other cannabinoids alter the psychoactive effects of THC is not even a controversial statement.
Thanks for the tip about the ALD-52 though!
There is definitely a substantial difference between pure/concentrated THC and cannabis flower. And yes obviously the terpenes and other cannabinoids synergize with the THC intoxication.
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badchad said: In some cases, a purified extract will be identical to a whole plant based compound
How?
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24351463 - 05/26/17 12:08 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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badchad said: In some cases, a purified extract will be identical to a whole plant based compound
How?
Let me clarify: in some cases, the effects will be identical because the additional extracted compounds are completely inactive. In a molecular level, they may be different, but the difference doesn't matter.
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: badchad]
#24351479 - 05/26/17 12:15 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Space Monkey said: But, they do seem to have an influence on the psychoactive effect of THC.
While this may be true, it's not the case for all compounds and plants.
To answer your previous question: In some cases, a purified extract will be identical to a whole plant based compound, in others, the other active constituents of the plant will produce pharmacological interactions. It also depends on the response you're examining.
For an extremely potent compound like LSD, any "impurities" are likely to be present in such small amounts that they have no effect on the experience, especially given the large role of non-pharmaocological factors (e.g., set and setting).
Okay, now we're onto engaging fruitfully. Even genuine disagreement is fruitful, rather than miscommunication, which is not.
I believe that these impurities (such as iso-LSD) have an effect on LSD, even though on their own, they exhibit no psychoactive activity. Similarly, CBD affects THC's psychoactive high, though CBD alone does not get you high.
It is true, iso-LSD has no effect on it's own, and yes, it is present in very small quantities ... but perhaps, like LSD, it has an effect at very small quantities? Even if that effect only manifests as an effect on LSD's own activity?
I don't really buy the idea that because it is in small quantities, it has no influence.
Finally: all of the plant compounds I mentioned except perhaps mushrooms (I listed: cannabis, cacti, iboga, and ayahuasca) are generally agreed to have different effects than pure isolated compounds. However, as I've already noted, indigenous communities believe different mushrooms species have different effects.
There's not a lot of other major psychedelics to be found in nature. What this says to me is that virtually all of the natural psychedelics produce different effects when taken in plant form as opposed to pure chemical form.
I don't think it is such an irrational leap to include LSD in this. The LSD chemists definitely agree.
This is all speculation. You are speculating, I am speculating. But I definitely don't think my speculation is stupid. Nor do I think your's is. But all of you! Seem to be behaving as though your position is an obvious truth, and I'm saying, your guess is as good as mine! None of us has anything more than educated guess work. As far as speculative hypothesis goes, all I can say is: the LSD chemists who are the largest case studies who have lived (a case study isn't worth much), agree with me.
The shred of vague evidence which proves almost nothing ... is on my side. I'm not saying I know! But it seems strange you all act as though you do.
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: badchad]
#24351490 - 05/26/17 12:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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badchad said: the effects will be identical because the additional extracted compounds are completely inactive.
^ This is the part I don't get though.
What additional compounds exactly? And why are they inactive? And if they are inactive wouldn't there clearly be a difference between that and the whole plant?
edit: Are you saying the wide array of chemicals in cannabis flower don't influence the THC state at all? Because they definitely do.
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24351496 - 05/26/17 12:21 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: You're jumping the gun my friend.
THC isolated is THC, if you have a THC extract it's usually only or dominantly THC, with the exception of terpenes.
What you're speaking of is the flowers of Cannabis which contain well over 100 unique individual cannabinoids which have a drastic effect and make each strain unique and individual.
THC is THC... how can it not be?
All I'm saying is that if you mix some other cannabinoids in with THC, which would not yield a psychoactive high if taken on their own - suddenly, that THC's effects are going to be packaged differently. Their psycho-activity depends on THC. They modulate the high from THC, though they produce no high when taken on their own.
So, to say they are inactive, is not accurate. They are active - in the presence of THC, but not otherwise.
That's not to say they don't do things! CBD helps stop seizures, for example. It's just to say, they don't cause any sort of a "high" on their own - but they do modulate the high from THC.
Savvy?
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24351527 - 05/26/17 12:30 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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What additional compounds exactly? And why are they inactive? And if they are inactive wouldn't there clearly be a difference between that and the whole plant?
The "additional compounds" depends on the plant. Some may be inactive because they serve a purpose in the plant that has no physiological effect in humans. For the sake of argument, let's assume we're talking about a subjective/psychoactive effect. If I eat some grass clippings from my front lawn, I won't experience any effect. Likewise, if I extract a compound from my grass clippings, I still won't get any affect.
Maybe a better example is tobacco. Most consider nicotine to be the active "ingredient." However there are all sorts of additional alkaloids. For the most part though, you need really, super high doses of these alkaloids to get an effect. Because of this, tobacco "extracts" don't differ (functionally) from pure nicotine even though the molecular composition may be different.
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: badchad]
#24351565 - 05/26/17 12:48 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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badchad said: Maybe a better example is tobacco. Most consider nicotine to be the active "ingredient." However there are all sorts of additional alkaloids. For the most part though, you need really, super high doses of these alkaloids to get an effect.
Super high doses if you're taking them by themselves maybe because on their own there's almost no point. What gives them life and real notable effects IS that main active compound. Without the main active compound the effects of the other chemicals are pretty much muted; nonexistent. They need a "high" to synergize to, they do not create the high themselves that's what the main ingredient does.
All these chemicals in cannabis need THC in order to impose their effects. They are not active on their own they are only "active" when THC is there too. In other words these other chemicals ONLY have psychoactive effects while you're in the THC state they do not have psychoactive results all the time or when sober. The THC intoxication lays the groundwork.
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24351617 - 05/26/17 01:06 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Super high doses if you're taking them by themselves maybe because on their own there's almost no point. What gives them life and real notable effects IS that main active compound. Without the main active compound the effects of the other chemicals are pretty much muted; nonexistent. They need a "high" to synergize to, they do not create the high themselves that's what the main ingredient does.
Not always. For example, I attended a research conference where people reacted the same to purified nicotine and tobacco "Extract."
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AuroraBorealis88 said: All these chemicals in cannabis need THC in order to impose their effects. They are not active on their own they are only "active" when THC is there too. In other words these other chemicals ONLY have psychoactive effects while you're in the THC state they do not have psychoactive results all the time or when sober. The THC intoxication lays the groundwork.
Again, not always and it depends on the response you're examining. Purified CBD can assist in treating seizures independently of THC.
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: badchad]
#24351642 - 05/26/17 01:18 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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badchad said: Not always. For example, I attended a research conference where people reacted the same to purified nicotine and tobacco "Extract."
Eh I'll give you that one because I really don't know very much about tobacco or its "extracts" and plus nicotine isn't even that psychoactive but I know for a fact what I said about cannabis is true.
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Again, not always and it depends on the response you're examining. Purified CBD can assist in treating seizures independently of THC.
That doesn't even refute my argument by 1%. I'm not saying there's NO effect at all
I'm speaking generally and in the sense of what is notable, I was speaking for notable mental effects. You ignore my main argument just to emphasize what everyone already knows smh.
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: AuroraBorealis88] 1
#24351925 - 05/26/17 03:24 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: That doesn't even refute my argument by 1%. I'm not saying there's NO effect at all
I'm speaking generally and in the sense of what is notable, I was speaking for notable mental effects. You ignore my main argument just to emphasize what everyone already knows smh.
Yup. I said the same thing already. The other cannabinoids still have pharmacological activity (like anti-seizure properties) - they just don't get you high on their own. But, in combination with THC, they actively transform the high from THC. It is still definitely THC, but it is experienced differently. The high has synergized with cannabinoids whose effects would not otherwise be apparent to the user.
What this demonstrates, is that other molecules can influence your high, which will not get you high on their own.
If one supposed something like iso-LSD to have a similar nature, I would not be surprised if it acted on LSD in a similar way.
Yes, the iso-LSD would be in tiny amounts ... but perhaps it's activity is only "influential". Like CBD, it will not produce a high on it's own (at any dose) ... but perhaps it is an LSD-level strength "influencer". I mean, iso-LSD is pretty structurally similar to LSD ... perhaps it is also active in the ug range, but only in synergy with LSD, just as cannabinoids are only active in synergistic conjunction with THC! This is not even to say that they have a great deal of activity, their activity is merely "influential" on a drug with primary activity, i.e. THC or LSD! But by themselves, even at high doses, they will never get you high!
That, in a nutshell, is the theory which Nick Sand laid out in the video. He, Tim Scully, Owsley Stanley, and myself subscribe to it. May some scientists someday receive funding to figure it out conclusively, in a billion years or so!
My conclusions:
With regards to cannabinoids ... this isn't even a debate, this is well known fact. If you're not getting it ... you're just not understanding.
The only credible challenge to the theory, is the fact that iso-LSD is in very small quantities. However, CBD will never get you high at any dose! But, in conjunction with THC, it transforms your high. Iso-LSD may similarly never get you high at any dose, but, it may have the power to influence the high from LSD, at a similar ug dose range as LSD!
I don't know why ya'll think that's nuts. I'm not saying "this is clearly the case". I'm just saying ... I don't think it's a crazy notion. Three prolific acid chemists who made and used the drug more than all of us put together all believed that the purity affected their experiences ... and it accords with my experience, so, I buy it, personally.
This has been my contribution to the debate ... I did this for the public who were curious ... thank-you all for your opposition to help bring out the arguments.
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: Space Monkey]
#24352267 - 05/26/17 06:02 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Space Monkey said:....All I can say, is cleaner acid is much more physically comfortable for me......
....I still personally find I can discern what quality the chemical I am working with is at!....
How do you know the LSD you have is "clean" and "good quality" ?
Do you actually make notes on your trips with certain tabs of L, then send them off to be analyzed? Then once you receive the results do a comparison between the analysis results and your trip notes, and narrow down the body load to certain impurities?
Or are you merely jumping to the conclusion of some LSD being "clean" and "high quality" just because there was little body load present and you were able to slip into meditative states easily during a trip?
Because like I mentioned in my previous post...I was working with the same LSD from the same sheet, same crystal, for about a year. I had lots of lovely experiences with the stuff where there was absolutely zero body load, mind was crystal clear even when I was super high, no tension what so ever, just bliss. Having such experiences would totally lead me to beleive that particular LSD was "special" and very "pure"....But I had an equal amount of experiences with that same sheet/crystal where the typical body load was present (general tension through out the body, neck, legs, back, etc....).
So if the purity of LSD is a major contributor to the body load and general smoothness/blissfulness and clarity of a trip, why did the same LSD crystal produce trips that were at both ends of the spectrum for myself and my friends?
And if highly pure LSD won't produce any body load...why are such things still noted and experienced even with sandoz back in the day? Even in modern day studies through MAPS, some subject still report a negative body load at times (I doubt maps is working with "dirty crystal", in fact Dr. David Nichols, the fella who synthed the LSD that's currently used in the LSD studies going on, said the LSD they're using is the purist/highest quality LSD around at the moment, and the subjects still report body loads).
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Space Monkey said: ....Does anybody here mean to tell me that they believe pure DMT+Harmala, or pure psilocin, or pure mescaline, or pure ibogaine, or pure THC, are the same as ayahuasca, or mushrooms, or cacti, or iboga, or cannabis?
Let's take cannabis as the most obvious example. As far as we know, THC is the only psychoactive ingredient in cannabis. That's not to say the other chemicals don't have effects, but they do not get you high....
Following your analogy.....
THC ---> The broad spectrum of cannabinoids & terepenes
DMT+Harmaline ---> The various other tryptamines in the bark and the other harmala alkloids in the vine.
Psilocin ---> Psilocybin and other traces of tryptamine alkaloids
But how does LSD fit into this analogy considering it's a single chemical and not a broad spectrum of various alkaloids like most plants contain?
Would it just be?...>>>
LSD -> LSD, ISO-LSD, Lumi-LSD ?
I most definitely do notice a pronounced different between strains of cannabis, very much so!....and I do feel there is a difference between isolated DMT taken with a single isolated harmala alkaloid versus drinking the full spectrum of actives in the bark & vine tea......But I can't say I've ever noticed any sort of consistent pronounced differences between different sheets/crystal of LSD. Some trips I have a body load, other trips I don't .
If it were as simple as the quality of the LSD being the sole or major contributor to the body load and the clarity/ease of mind, then that sheet my friends and I were working with for about a year should have consistently produced the same sort of body load or lack of.
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: openmind]
#24352325 - 05/26/17 06:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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....If one supposed something like iso-LSD to have a similar nature, I would not be surprised if it acted on LSD in a similar way.
Yes, the iso-LSD would be in tiny amounts ... but perhaps it's activity is only "influential". Like CBD, it will not produce a high on it's own (at any dose) ... but perhaps it is an LSD-level strength "influencer". I mean, iso-LSD is pretty structurally similar to LSD ... perhaps it is also active in the ug range, but only in synergy with LSD, just as cannabinoids are only active in synergistic conjunction with THC! This is not even to say that they have a great deal of activity, their activity is merely "influential" on a drug with primary activity, i.e. THC or LSD! But by themselves, even at high doses, they will never get you high!
That, in a nutshell, is the theory which Nick Sand laid out in the video. He, Tim Scully, Owsley Stanley, and myself subscribe to it...
I've pondered this a lot over the years and ^^that^^ is totally the same idea that I've had in regards to LSD "quality/purity" potentially having an influence on the body load, clarity, and overall character of a trip....
.....but from personal experience I can't say I've had certain sheets of L consistently produce the same body load or lack of body load .
I've definitely had trips with L that was so gosh darn clear & light, enough to make me want to believe "this LSD is super pure & special" ...I do want to believe lol, and I am still open to the idea, but from my 250 trips or so with L over the past 10 years I can't say I've noticed any sort of proof from direct experience .
I would love for some blind studies to be done on this topic though, and finally settle this "debate" that's been going on for ages now .
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: openmind]
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I agree that set/setting are influences on subjective experiences of clarity. This of course makes the question tricky, but I believe chemical purity is still a component.
As I've said, meditating on love is a way I am able to actively induce these experiences of subjective clarity.
However, even though I am able to consciously do this, I do still know what I'm working with. A cleaner tab is easier to work with.
I've successfully blindly distinguished California sunshine crystal from needlepoint crystal which was sourced from the Netherlands... I knew it was very good, but it didn't have the same luxurious "transparency" as needlepoint. However, I was able to still move to higher levels of clarity with it, through meditation.
I'm not saying you can't induce clear experiences with less pure chemicals - or that your mind will not do the opposite and actually induce body load. My claim is that the purity of the chemical merely plays a role, and is one of many factors. If it is more pure, it is easier to enter clarity. If it is less, well ... it's more difficult.
Sand says the same elsewhere. In one of his articles on DMT (which are brilliant by the way, check them out!), he notes that mental hangups can induce physical discomfort when smoking DMT. When we're dealing with psychedelics, our minds are able to affect our physical experiences (moreso than usual). But - Sand and these other chemists nonetheless maintained that the purity of the chemical is indeed a factor. If any people in the world's subjective judgment is to be trusted, it is their's. I'd say it is to be trusted even more than your own...mine just happens to accord with their's.
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: Space Monkey]
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"The Pavamana Mantra (pavamāna meaning "being purified, strained", historically a name of Soma), also known as pavamāna abhyāroha (abhyāroha, lit. "ascending", being an Upanishadic technical term for "prayer"[1]) is a Hindu mantra introduced in the Bṛhadāraṇyaka Upaniṣad (1.3.28.)[2] The mantra was originally meant to be recited during the introductory praise of the Soma sacrifice by the patron sponsoring the sacrifice.[3] Text and Translation
The text of the mantra reads:
asato mā sad gamaya, tamaso mā jyotir gamaya, mṛtyor mā amṛtaṃ gamaya
This translates to:
Lead me from falsehood to truth, Lead me from darkness to light, Lead me from death to the immortality"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavamana_Mantra
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: endogenous]
#24355882 - 05/28/17 07:24 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lovely, I will incorporate this prayer in future journeys. Thank-you
Edited by Space Monkey (05/28/17 07:32 AM)
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Space Monkey
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Re: LSD purity and psychoactive effect (LSD chemist Nick Sand interview) [Re: Space Monkey]
#24357957 - 05/29/17 01:32 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Finally, watch this documentary oriented around Nick Sand and friends
http://sockshare.net/watch/LxRnjoxO-the-sunshine-makers.html
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