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substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber??
    #24341833 - 05/22/17 10:42 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

hello yall!!
new to cultivating mushrooms but always loved eating them haha i guess/think that's a good start
i have a question.
i am going by the general rules of the pf tek and going to keep following until i get better then i will try to experiment and tweak. but one thing that i would like to ask is about the aluminum foil as the base over the perlite.
can this be subtituted with anything?
i would like something more... umm, natural i guess?
what is the purpose of the aluminum foil anyways?
is it just to seperate the perlite and substrate and keep water off it?
when i get to experimenting my experiments would consists of how to do the process with the least amount of metals. so that would mean the lid to the jars as well.
but i guess for now my main question would be if anybody has tried a proven good method on something they use in turn of the aluminum foil?

thanks for any knowledge and tips you can give me

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: shroomivore] * 2
    #24341839 - 05/22/17 10:45 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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foil is put over things during the pc/steaming cycle to prevent water from getting into the jars.
foil is used in a chmaber to keep cakes off the perlite so they wont suck up water.

foil CAN be used if you have glasses and no jars.. but i have no clue what you are really asking.

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: shroomivore] * 1
    #24341840 - 05/22/17 10:46 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Plastic lid? Can you use plastics?  Maybe parchment or wax paper cut in squares


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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: Just_A_Noob] * 1
    #24341845 - 05/22/17 10:48 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

If you are worried about the waste then re use the foil, I carefully take the foil off my jars so I can use them again, I get anywhere from 6-10 uses out of the same foil lol

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: Bird_Guts] * 2
    #24342175 - 05/23/17 05:40 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Some people just put their cakes on the lid.  You can use.....anything else that doesnt mold as a base


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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: Kenetic] * 3
    #24342294 - 05/23/17 07:30 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Natural isn't gonna happen. Natural = decomposition = contams. Just use foil or the jar lids. Why are you opposed to using metal? That's ridiculous.


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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #24342338 - 05/23/17 08:07 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

aluminium foil is natural. Where do you think the aluminium for the foil came from?

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: howsyournaggerdoin] * 1
    #24342487 - 05/23/17 09:20 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Aluminum comes from bauxite
But the aluminum in bauxite comes from
Supernovae ejecting many radioactive nuclides into the interstellar medium.
So it's pretty natural

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #24342542 - 05/23/17 09:50 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Upside down jar lids (white side up no bands) has never failed me. Heads up though the mycelium can eat the glue and shitty rubber (or displace it at the very least) so try and use old ones.

This allows the casing layer you've applied to the cake work its best. In this instance, your casing layer is your roll in verm. The evaporation off the perlite will hit all those millimeter and smaller spots causing tens of thousands of microclimates and initiating pinning.


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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: mushboy]
    #24344321 - 05/23/17 08:28 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

lol ok i wasnt clear.
all i am really asking is if there is anything else anybody uses as a base on the perlite in the fruiting chamber that can replace the aluminum foil

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: shroomivore] * 1
    #24344324 - 05/23/17 08:28 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Tin foil

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: Just_A_Noob]
    #24344329 - 05/23/17 08:31 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for the reply.
yes i was thinking of parchement paper and wax myself maybe ill try once i get some harvests.
i was trying to figure out why everyone uses foil and i see now it is because its easeability and how it doesnt suck in water hence creating contams.

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: Kenetic]
    #24344340 - 05/23/17 08:35 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Kenetic said:
Some people just put their cakes on the lid.  You can use.....anything else that doesnt mold as a base




thanks for the reply.
this is more what i was looking to hear.
why people use aluminum foil in the first place
thanks!!

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #24344352 - 05/23/17 08:39 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Natural isn't gonna happen. Natural = decomposition = contams. Just use foil or the jar lids. Why are you opposed to using metal? That's ridiculous.




well ok let me change that not natural but more.... i guess something that i would intake myself.
like i would think water and time decompose anything so with the decomposition of the aluminum foil and growing the mushrooms the mushrooms intake that and in turn you are eating the aluminum foil
i know its in very small amounts but if i can change that real simply why not.

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #24344357 - 05/23/17 08:43 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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aluminium foil is natural. Where do you think the aluminium for the foil came from?





what else is in aluminum foil though?
not that i would want to intake pure aluminum anyways.
but now if i had some pure gold foil then hey now we can talk

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: Adden]
    #24344375 - 05/23/17 08:50 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Upside down jar lids (white side up no bands) has never failed me. Heads up though the mycelium can eat the glue and shitty rubber (or displace it at the very least) so try and use old ones.

This allows the casing layer you've applied to the cake work its best. In this instance, your casing layer is your roll in verm. The evaporation off the perlite will hit all those millimeter and smaller spots causing tens of thousands of microclimates and initiating pinning.








thanks for the suggestion.
i will use that if ever need be.
but the fact that it eats the shity rubber and glue do you think you are now intaking those chemicals when you eat them?

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24344385 - 05/23/17 08:53 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Aluminum comes from bauxite
But the aluminum in bauxite comes from
Supernovae ejecting many radioactive nuclides into the interstellar medium.
So it's pretty natural





exactly i dont want all that happening around me i dont got time for that

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24344392 - 05/23/17 08:55 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Tin foil





oh thats perfect i just upgraded and still got so many of my old hats laying around i can just cut peices off
thanks!!!

actually ima have to pass i might have to save those for later
just in case

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: shroomivore] * 1
    #24344428 - 05/23/17 09:09 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

Adden said:
Upside down jar lids (white side up no bands) has never failed me. Heads up though the mycelium can eat the glue and shitty rubber (or displace it at the very least) so try and use old ones.

This allows the casing layer you've applied to the cake work its best. In this instance, your casing layer is your roll in verm. The evaporation off the perlite will hit all those millimeter and smaller spots causing tens of thousands of microclimates and initiating pinning.








thanks for the suggestion.
i will use that if ever need be.
but the fact that it eats the shity rubber and glue do you think you are now intaking those chemicals when you eat them?




You can get it off with a screwdriver then pc the lid and the glue comes off. Don't stick yourself. It doesn't bother me one bit. I eat wild mushrooms and fruits off the forest floor like an animal. I'm probably already getting cesium and shit from Fukushima anyway. I was in the sun earlier and got a shitload of radiation.

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Re: substitute for aluminum in fruiting chamber?? [Re: shroomivore] * 1
    #24344485 - 05/23/17 09:34 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

36fuckin5 said:
Natural isn't gonna happen. Natural = decomposition = contams. Just use foil or the jar lids. Why are you opposed to using metal? That's ridiculous.




well ok let me change that not natural but more.... i guess something that i would intake myself.
like i would think water and time decompose anything so with the decomposition of the aluminum foil and growing the mushrooms the mushrooms intake that and in turn you are eating the aluminum foil
i know its in very small amounts but if i can change that real simply why not.




They don't eat foil. It can put holes in it because of the oxalic acid that they release, but it wouldn't uptake the metal into the fruits. If anything it would stay in the mycelium, hence mycoremediation.


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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