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OfflineQuincunx
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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: Ped]
    #2389951 - 03/01/04 02:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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This is not what Christ intended to become of his teachings,

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In fact, implicit in much of his teachings is that we are all inextricably linked to the divine.




Yes. We are all "sons of God" and linked to the Divine, it's just ppl don't realize it yet. And Christ left us a "map" on how to find the divine inside of us:

Cross = our body
Christ as embodiment of the Divine = our Ego/mind, the false idea of "I AM my body".

When we crucify our Ego/mind, only the Divine inside survives. But i notice this is the hard part for many people - to surrender your Ego and admit higher principles.

And this is all the secret. Build everything on love and compassion, live honest & happy life. Freeze your body, freeze your mind and with a little practice and true desire to be a part of The One Consciousness and with the Grace of it - the samadhi will pop up by itself.


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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: Gorian]
    #2390981 - 03/01/04 01:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Gorian said:
How the hell does some "magic man" dieing wash away your sins?




This will take some time to explain.
1.  Garden of Eden-  Adam and Eve ate the fruit frome the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.  This act was a sin, because God told them not to do it.  This act also introduced the knowledge of sin into the world.  Since Satan tricked them into doing it, he was given a greater punishment. 
Adam and Eve were expelled from Eden so that they could no longer eat from the Tree of Life (which gave them eternal life).  This was a blessing, imagine living forever in a world filled with sin. 
The first prophecy of Christ's coming was in Genesis 3
(This was directed toward Satan) "I will put emnity between you and the woman, and between your seed and hers; he will crush your head, and you will bruise his heel."  (this is LONG time before Jesus actually appeared on Earth).

Now foward to Exodus:
God resided in the Holy of Holies, where only the most High Priest could enter.  Before he could go in, he must cleanse himself.  If he were to sin while in the presence of God, he would be struck dead.  That is why the High Priest would tie bells around his ankles and a rope around his waist.  If the people outside could no longer hear the bells, they would pull his body out. 
God told Moses what should be done regarding sin.  The wages of sin is death, so something living must pay the price of sin.  Blood is shed for the sin offering, usually a ram or a bull.  It must be perfect in form, and its bones cannot be broken.  The blood shed washed the penalty of sin away.
While this was done quite often, there was also a yearly sin sacrifice. 

Forward to Jesus:
Jesus lived a sinless life, since only a perfect being could be offered for sacrifice.  Under Roman law, it was illegal to both severly scourge and crucify somebody at the same time.  The Passion goes nowhere near to the severity of the actual flogging.  The Roman soldiers were actually trying to expose organs.  Jesus had all of the power to stop the torture and vaporize the soldiers, but he did not.  While he was crucified, all of the sin of the world, present and future (inlcuding today and to come) was heaped upon him.  God cannot stand to be in the presence of sin, to he turned his back on Jesus.  That is the definition of Hell- the absence of God's presence.  Jesus was in Hell while he was on that cross.  When Jesus finally died, the veil covering the Holy of Holies was ripped from top to bottom.  Jesus paid the price of sin permanently so that we ALL can be with God.  Since the next day was Passover, the soldiers broke the legs of the other two criminals so they would suffocate faster and die.  Since Jesus was already dead, they did not break his legs.
The most important part, is the fact that Jesus rose from the dead three days later.  He was triumphant over death's hold.  He was seen by over 500 people before he went back into Heaven 40 days later.  If you research Roman records, it mentions Jesus's body "going missing" and there was a great hunt for it.  They never found it.

This was a free gift, one you can accept or reject. Nobody is forcing you, you come by your own accord as the spirit calls.  Thank you for listening. :heart:


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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: Funguy]
    #2391153 - 03/01/04 02:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hehe, Funguy, read Ped's reply he made, the last one he made. :thumbup:
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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2391578 - 03/01/04 04:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I read it, but I was referring to Gorian's post. Remember, I was writing from my beliefs (Christian). He asked why does someone dying wash away our sins, so I explained it to him.


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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: Funguy]
    #2391608 - 03/01/04 04:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

he will crush your head, and you will bruise his heel.

I think it's reversed the serpent's head gets crushed and the woman's heel gets bruised.


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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: Funguy]
    #2391719 - 03/01/04 05:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The reason people find Christian beliefs so offensive, I think, has less to do with the habit of Christian followers to thrust their beliefs upon others, and more to do with the plain assumption on the part of the Christian that his or her view, as handed to them over the pulpit, is absolutely and finally correct. Typically, that view is one which suggests that a life absent of absolute devotion to Christ is one condemned to eternal suffering. It is correctly perceived as an arrogance because this assumption is held as immediately superior to the differing views of others.

The claim that the actions of Christ created obligations of thought and behaviour which umbrella all human beings everywhere is by it's very nature an arrogant view, because it is an undue claim which, only because of it's weight, is always imparted in an overbearing manner. Since arrogance is a non-virtue, and since Christ was perfectly free of non-virtue, the arrogance assuming Christ to be an all-encompassing saviour is entirely self-defeating. Christ himself could not abide within such arrogance. Therefore, any Christian abiding within such arrogance has fundamentally departed the example of Christ.


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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: Ped]
    #2391729 - 03/01/04 05:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well phrased (as usual).  :thumbup:


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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: Ped]
    #2397093 - 03/03/04 03:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I saw this tonight.  Excellent film, very gory though.  Not a typical date movie although she enjoyed it.  Really made me think, and at the end I'm a little less concerned about my own trivial problems.  At least, they are trivial compared to what Jesus went through.  And that devil kid totally creeped me out. 

DoctorJ's post kind of ties into this. 

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good men are punished because they are close to me. and I can take all the punishment any mortal can dish out. ...

those who aspire to be as I am must know what it is like. They must know how to do the right thing because it is the right thing, and for no other reason. They must be prepared to suffer for doing the right thing.




Here are some of my thoughts:
At the end when Jesus says "My God, Why hast thou forsaken me" he has finally split from God and dies a human.  The whole time when he had faith and was being tortured, he couldn't die, he wouldn't let himself.  And since God could not allow (or it is impossible) for a human to "be divine", God tested Jesus's faith until he finally broke.  Anyways I'm not a Christian so I don't know if that is valid or what.

Highly recommended, a spiritual film.  Not on my "want to see again" list tho.

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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: Ped]
    #2397767 - 03/03/04 11:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Nice post, Ped.

That arrogance is exactly what irritates me about Christians. I've had this argument with several people, not just Frog, so don't anyone take it personally.

Why is that one particular religion correct, but not Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, etc.? My questions to the Christians I've discussed it with has always been "What makes you right? Why is everyone else wrong?"

I inevitably get the Bible answer, but why is that one book correct and others like the Koran aren't? I haven't gotten a good answer to that one yet.


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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: Renegade8]
    #2400316 - 03/03/04 10:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: ]
    #2400820 - 03/04/04 01:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah why do christians feel so threatened by stupid things like gay marriage? how does it affect them? or are they just so insecure in their own faith that the very thought of someone not sharing their values erodes their faith in God?


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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2400963 - 03/04/04 02:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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infidelGOD said:
or are they just so insecure in their own faith that the very thought of someone not sharing their values erodes their faith in God?



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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: ]
    #2402012 - 03/04/04 11:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I fail to see the connection between someone's insecurity and the claim that Christianity is the one true religion. Insisting that all the other religions in the world are wrong because your holy book says so is still arrogant no matter who you're talking to.


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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: ]
    #2402076 - 03/04/04 12:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Mr_Mushrooms said:

I have learned a few things in the nearly 50 years I have spent studying on this planet.  I share very few of them.  I'll leave you to guess why.



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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: Ped]
    #2407304 - 03/08/04 03:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I saw this movie yesterday and by the end of the movie, and to say I was moved would be an understatement. It brought home just how thoroughly Jesus was punished for us, if you assume that's what his death signifies.

As a Christian, I believe that Jesus is God's son and died on the cross for our sins, so that we could go to heaven. All the movies in the past that depict Christ's life don't spend much time on his death, except we know he gets whipped and nailed to the cross.

This movie went through every excruciating detail of how Jesus was punished, and it's horrible. What I learned from it is that God must have really loved us to allow this to happen to His son. And it made me want to be a better person. I was remembering how, in the bible, I think Romans, Paul talks about how could we continue to do wrong when we know how Christ died for us. By continuing to do wrong, his death is trivialized.

Also, it made me feel insignificant. I feel put out when I think someone is treating me badly. Putting aside for a moment the fact that Jesus believes he came here to die for our sins, he was tortured for insignificant trumped up "crimes", yet he continued to love people anyways and forgave them and asked God to forgive them. That truly is spirituality.

How small and petty it seems, now, to take offense at things people do or say that affect my "feelings" when Christ accepted the punishment he received without complaint and continued to love the very people who were punishing him and about to kill him.


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Re: The Passion of Christ [Re: crippledavenger]
    #2433836 - 03/15/04 05:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The only thing I have against the jews back then is that they accepted him into their town, as a prophet, then they turn their back on him.  The Roman Gov.  even said he was washing his hands of this.  He gave them a choice to let a serial killer loose, or Jesus, and they chose to let the killer go.  That's pretty stupid.  The thing that I think is sad is that Jesus was a human, whether he was god, or not, they still tortured the fuck out of him.  I mean Jesus Christ!! :grin:  But at the end of the movie, I did kind of just sit there in the seats, and started to think.  It was a very moving movie, very emotional, and I did shed a tear or two  :crying:  I put myself in his sandals, and thought what it would be like to be nailed to a cross with your mother watching, and even some of your friends, watching, and saying I wasn't friends with him.  It kind of hits you right here :heart:  But that's just my take on it...


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