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I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise?
    #24332459 - 05/19/17 09:12 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

I ordered a pre-colonized myceluim kit of P. Cubensis.
The grow kit comes with a large plastic bag that has inbuilt air filters. That bag serves as the fruiting chamber.
The grow kit's instructions advise to open the bag once every two days and to mist its walls with water. They don't say anything about fanning.

Now, I am going against these instructions and I am opening, misting and fanning every day.
Am I screwing things up by doing so?
Should I just stick to the instructions and only mist every two days and never fan? :confused: :confused: :confused:








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It has been three days since I introduced the kit to fruiting conditions (23 degrees Celsius, 12/12 light and FAE).
How long will it take before I see the first pins?







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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Home Grower]
    #24332462 - 05/19/17 09:13 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

I'd poke a bunch of holes in the bag. Mist as needed

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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24332547 - 05/19/17 09:59 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

I think its  hard to generalize whether you are doing something wrong here, because it really depends - fanning too much shouldnt be an issue as long as you mist it prob wont dry out, misting too much might be more of a problem, you dont want to waterlog it - bhods proposition would save you some work, just as following the instructions would, in the end you have to experiment and get a feel for how much moisture is right, cubes are quite co2 tolerant so dont worry too much about FAE, if its too little you will se fuzzy stems later, and then you will now but with your current method I doubt that will happen,  and too much FAE only becomes a problem when it negatively impacts moisture so isnt an issue as such as long as you monitor moisture - I think it might take a week or two before you see pins


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Home Grower]
    #24333092 - 05/19/17 01:56 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Here is a quote from the kit manufacturer's instructions:

"The bag has built-in filters so you do not have to worry about air circulation. "

What worries me is that, while the bag does have air filters, they are way up the top of the bag. There is not a single air filter close to the bottom of the bag, where the heavy CO2 accumulates.
So I decided to fan thoroughly every day, in order to get that CO2 out.
I hope I am not doing anything wrong here by fanning every day.

Heck, I have read about experienced growers misting and fanning their monotubs 3 times a day. And a monotub, just like my bag, does have filters installed and is supposed to be a set-and-forget deal.


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Home Grower]
    #24333101 - 05/19/17 01:59 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

you have much to learn.

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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Home Grower]
    #24333128 - 05/19/17 02:05 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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where the heavy CO2 accumulates.



yeah actually I think thats a myth - I think RR once did experiments using devices that measured CO2 levels and found this bo untrue - also if it were, how would jars which have filters on top and BODs unmodified monotub tek (no holes just the air from between the lid and the box/cracked lid on top) work? which they absolutely do!


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Home Grower]
    #24333137 - 05/19/17 02:07 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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hope I am not doing anything wrong here by fanning every day.

Heck, I have read about experienced growers misting and fanning their monotubs 3 times a day. And a monotub, just like my bag, does have filters installed and is supposed to be a set-and-forget deal.



haha  I was gonna say that not what the point of amonotub is :cool: but I think its more that its fun to care for your fruits than really neccesary tbh - dont worry about it too much, as RR said "its really hard to fuck up a cubensis grow" - they fruit quite easily even in less than ideal conditions and with time you will learn to read the signs to know how to optimize


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: polaritymind]
    #24333138 - 05/19/17 02:08 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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where the heavy CO2 accumulates.



yeah actually I think thats a myth - I think RR once did experiments using devices that measured CO2 levels and found this bo untrue - also if it were, how would jars which have filters on top and BODs unmodified monotub tek (no holes just the air from between the lid and the box/cracked lid on top) work? which they absolutely do!




Unmodified's definitely 'work'...



Unfortunate myth that CO2 sits at the bottom only and you need lower holes to counter that with FAE.


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24333144 - 05/19/17 02:10 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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I'd poke a bunch of holes in the bag. Mist as needed




This...


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Myco Mako]
    #24333169 - 05/19/17 02:18 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Very interesting do you always have them sit in water? as a sort of bottom watering? I suppose that could prevent bacteria if its that much water, which is the biggest problem with bottom watering for me - how do you get that shape so perfect, the substrate block seems to be the same shape as the box just smaller?


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Myco Mako]
    #24333171 - 05/19/17 02:18 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Thank you for your replies, good people.
I guess I'm overdoing and overthinking things a bit, because this is my first time growing shrooms.


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: polaritymind] * 1
    #24333180 - 05/19/17 02:20 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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Very interesting do you always have them sit in water? as a sort of bottom watering? I suppose that could prevent bacteria if its that much water, which is the biggest problem with bottom watering for me - how do you get that shape so perfect, the substrate block seems to be the same shape as the box just smaller?




That was at harvest, using Bod's harvest tek where you float the substrate for easier harvest.  I did bottom water them last 2 days a little to finish them, but only late and after they've pulled away from the sides and show indications of needing it.


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Myco Mako]
    #24333232 - 05/19/17 02:39 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

I like that mirror in the back of the picture.

Try to have your chamber (bag) at an angle so your Shrooms grow at a wise angle to prevent water run off in one spot.
The Mushrooms at the bottom will just be a little wetter.

Thank you for your post.

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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Home Grower]
    #24333273 - 05/19/17 02:55 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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I ordered a pre-colonized myceluim kit of P. Cubensis.
The grow kit comes with a large plastic bag that has inbuilt air filters. That bag serves as the fruiting chamber.
The grow kit's instructions advise to open the bag once every two days and to mist its walls with water. They don't say anything about fanning.

Now, I am going against these instructions and I am opening, misting and fanning every day.
Am I screwing things up by doing so?
Should I just stick to the instructions and only mist every two days and never fan? :confused: :confused: :confused:








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It has been three days since I introduced the kit to fruiting conditions (23 degrees Celsius, 12/12 light and FAE).
How long will it take before I see the first pins?







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Or you could look up SAB and G2G that grow-kit into 20 jars and get enough shrooms for a long time :smile: the mycelium looks g2gable to me :smile:

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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: mushhiehunter]
    #24333295 - 05/19/17 03:10 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: spacechildo]
    #24333373 - 05/19/17 03:48 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

its home buyer! good to see you again buddy :smile:

do you remember the conversation we had about this in the other thread? thats what someone above meant when they said you could use that myc to g2g and get way more mushrooms out of it

personally, i wouldnt dare g2g a kit, and would instead spawn to bulk (bucket tek some coir and make a monotub, crumble your kit into it), like i advised in the other thread. this way, you would be able to get a solid, legit bulk harvest off of a proven bulk technique (monotub) which requires NO misting, fanning, etc. monotubs are set and forget (unless you want to baby them) and they have excellent, predictable yields. its actually kinda a cool method, because buying a precolonized kit then spawning it to bucket tek monotub is basically the easiest, fastest (if not most cost effective), way for someone to get a true bulk harvest without a pressure cooker

that would be the BEST way to use your kit. otherwise do what bodhi said and poke holes

but whatever you do, stop taking marketing materials as "information", because it isnt. anything written by a marketer selling a kit is going to be bullshit and  you should disregard it. they are either #1 totally ignorant about mush cult or #2 the entire point of their kit is to make you dependent on them and keep you from realizing what a rip off kits are (especially when fruited as per directions)


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #24333865 - 05/19/17 06:53 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

^ Thanks for your reply, c10h12n2oS.
I think it is too late for G2G as the kit substrate has been exposed to non-sterile air for several days now.
Plus I wanted to test the kit the way it is and see for myself if it is worth the money. Will make sure to post the results in another thread, so people can have a final verdict on these pre-colonized kits.
Hopefully, I won't screw things up by doing a few *cough* optimizations *cough*.

BTW just for your information, my nickname has nothing to do with growing mushrooms. I never claimed to be a mushroom grower. However, I am growing solid amounts of Cannabis at home, hence my nickname - Home Grower.


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Home Grower]
    #24333903 - 05/19/17 07:10 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

like i said, i wouldnt have done g2g with it in any case

what i would do (even at this point) is spawn to bulk (not g2g). just bucket tek some coir and make a monotub by crumbling it together. this is totally set and forget, and will definitely do better than fruiting directly off the block. this will be easier than the instructions (no daily misting) and will yield WAY more mushrooms

if you are going to fruit directly off the block, you could put it in a proper fruiting chamber and get much better results than just using the bag. you could literally just set the tray into a monotub or a SGFC and willl get a better pinset

feel free to post updates regardless of what you decide to do, but as far as "people having a final verdict on these pre-colonized kits," i dont think its going to change anything. anyone who understands the basics of cultivation is gonna feel the same way about this kind of thing, there isnt really any mystery to solve, it is 100% predictable. we have seen it a thousand times before, thats why we are able to give you tried-and-true advice about how to make the most out of it in your situation. there really isnt any diversity of opinions about this among the people in the know. if you stick with the hobby for a while, you will almost certainly feel the same way :smile:

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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #24334886 - 05/20/17 04:47 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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like i said, i wouldnt have done g2g with it in any case

what i would do (even at this point) is spawn to bulk (not g2g). just bucket tek some coir and make a monotub by crumbling it together. this is totally set and forget, and will definitely do better than fruiting directly off the block. this will be easier than the instructions (no daily misting) and will yield WAY more mushrooms

if you are going to fruit directly off the block, you could put it in a proper fruiting chamber and get much better results than just using the bag. you could literally just set the tray into a monotub or a SGFC and willl get a better pinset

feel free to post updates regardless of what you decide to do, but as far as "people having a final verdict on these pre-colonized kits," i dont think its going to change anything. anyone who understands the basics of cultivation is gonna feel the same way about this kind of thing, there isnt really any mystery to solve, it is 100% predictable. we have seen it a thousand times before, thats why we are able to give you tried-and-true advice about how to make the most out of it in your situation. there really isnt any diversity of opinions about this among the people in the know. if you stick with the hobby for a while, you will almost certainly feel the same way :smile:

ps: about your name, i know i could see from your post history :smile: im just entertaining myself, no worries my friend :smile:




Could you please elaborate on why it would be a bad idea to G2G the kit? I mean the spawn looks good to me, am I missing something?

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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: mushhiehunter]
    #24334889 - 05/20/17 04:53 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Hey Punching Holes is a very bad Idea . Trust me it fucks the growkit .

Ive had many GrowKits and always achieved great amounts of healthy mushrooms.

3-5 Hours a day Undirect Light , could be your bathrooms light , not to wide.
You will need to wait 1.5-2 weeks till little pins appear , then its fast going.

When little pins appear , let the box open for about 2x 2minutes a day or more often to breathe.
And also mist at the sides twice a day  , without water touching the substrate.

After 2 weeks you will have yor grown.mushrooms.


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Home Grower]
    #24334891 - 05/20/17 04:55 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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it is too late for G2G as the kit substrate has been exposed to non-sterile air




basically this, but we use still air (SAB) for sterile work, not sterile air.

Do make holes tho, mushrooms love fresh air, mold hates it. grow kit instructions are complete BS! good thing you asked!

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    #24335065 - 05/20/17 07:21 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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Hey Punching Holes is a very bad Idea . Trust me it fucks the growkit .

Ive had many GrowKits and always achieved great amounts of healthy mushrooms.

3-5 Hours a day Undirect Light , could be your bathrooms light , not to wide.
You will need to wait 1.5-2 weeks till little pins appear , then its fast going.

When little pins appear , let the box open for about 2x 2minutes a day or more often to breathe.
And also mist at the sides twice a day  , without water touching the substrate.

After 2 weeks you will have yor grown.mushrooms.



Mushrooms love FAE. Holes are a great idea. It's all about balance. Light should be as close to 12/12 as possible. Sometimes mine only get 10, doesn't really matter.

Why mist the sides? We're not trying to grow plastic. Water on the substrate is what you want, little beads of moisture that will reflect light if you shine one at it.

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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Home Grower]
    #24335131 - 05/20/17 08:06 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

t=1942

this should answer your question.

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    #24335202 - 05/20/17 08:56 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

^ Interesting, thanks for posting that video.

So, Willy Myco confirms that CO2 is heavier than air and advises to put holes close to the substrate? Wonder why RogerRabbit disagrees with this.

Also Willy advises to mist and fan your kit 3 times a day. This is what I am doing anyway, while going against the kit's instructions.
It is nice to have all of this confirmed by somebody who grows shrooms professionally.


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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Home Grower] * 1
    #24335216 - 05/20/17 09:06 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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^ Interesting, thanks for posting that video.

So, Willy Myco confirms that CO2 is heavier than air and advises to put holes close to the substrate? Wonder why RogerRabbit disagrees with this.

Also Willy advises to mist and fan your kit 3 times a day. This is what I am doing anyway, while going against the kit's instructions.
It is nice to have all of this confirmed by somebody who grows shrooms professionally.




The whole thing about CO2 being heavier and sticking just above ground is total BS. If it was true we would suffocate in the atmosphere because there would be a thick layer of CO2 couple hundred meters above ground.

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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: Home Grower]
    #24335252 - 05/20/17 09:32 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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^ Interesting, thanks for posting that video.

So, Willy Myco confirms that CO2 is heavier than air and advises to put holes close to the substrate? Wonder why RogerRabbit disagrees with this.

Also Willy advises to mist and fan your kit 3 times a day. This is what I am doing anyway, while going against the kit's instructions.
It is nice to have all of this confirmed by somebody who grows shrooms professionally.



Willy is a retard that's why lol
No one should be listening to his shit

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    #24335302 - 05/20/17 09:57 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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^ Interesting, thanks for posting that video.

So, Willy Myco confirms that CO2 is heavier than air and advises to put holes close to the substrate? Wonder why RogerRabbit disagrees with this.

Also Willy advises to mist and fan your kit 3 times a day. This is what I am doing anyway, while going against the kit's instructions.
It is nice to have all of this confirmed by somebody who grows shrooms professionally.



Willy is a retard that's why lol
No one should be listening to his shit



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    #24335318 - 05/20/17 10:02 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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    #24335324 - 05/20/17 10:04 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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^ Interesting, thanks for posting that video.

So, Willy Myco confirms that CO2 is heavier than air and advises to put holes close to the substrate? Wonder why RogerRabbit disagrees with this.

Also Willy advises to mist and fan your kit 3 times a day. This is what I am doing anyway, while going against the kit's instructions.
It is nice to have all of this confirmed by somebody who grows shrooms professionally.



Willy is a retard that's why lol
No one should be listening to his shit




I just discovered him via this thread... looked good. Then he inoculated grains with 2ccs of ms solution and I noped out...

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Re: I am going against my grow kit's instructions. Wise? [Re: mushhiehunter]
    #24336422 - 05/20/17 06:32 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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like i said, i wouldnt have done g2g with it in any case

what i would do (even at this point) is spawn to bulk (not g2g). just bucket tek some coir and make a monotub by crumbling it together. this is totally set and forget, and will definitely do better than fruiting directly off the block. this will be easier than the instructions (no daily misting) and will yield WAY more mushrooms

if you are going to fruit directly off the block, you could put it in a proper fruiting chamber and get much better results than just using the bag. you could literally just set the tray into a monotub or a SGFC and willl get a better pinset

feel free to post updates regardless of what you decide to do, but as far as "people having a final verdict on these pre-colonized kits," i dont think its going to change anything. anyone who understands the basics of cultivation is gonna feel the same way about this kind of thing, there isnt really any mystery to solve, it is 100% predictable. we have seen it a thousand times before, thats why we are able to give you tried-and-true advice about how to make the most out of it in your situation. there really isnt any diversity of opinions about this among the people in the know. if you stick with the hobby for a while, you will almost certainly feel the same way :smile:

ps: about your name, i know i could see from your post history :smile: im just entertaining myself, no worries my friend :smile:




Could you please elaborate on why it would be a bad idea to G2G the kit? I mean the spawn looks good to me, am I missing something?




good question, i dig the critical thinking youve shown in this thread, +5 :highfive1:

as space said, basically the problem is that it has been exposed to open air. it is fine for spawning to bulk (which is something we do in open air) but it is not fine for g2g (which has to be sterile)

anything we use for g2g needs to be SUPER clean, since we dont want to expand something dirty. a fully colonized block like that kit is VERY contam resistant: contams land on it all the time but they have no food to eat since the myc is so well established (and the parasitic ones cant beat the myc till things acidify, etc). a sterile jar of grain is a totally different story, because it is basically the microbiological jackpot for anything that can digest it (whether that is cube myc or contams). grain is VERY dense in nutrients, and when contam spores, bacteria, etc, from the surface of the myc come into contact with the sterile food, it will start to colonize it. things that couldnt get a foothold on the 100% colonized block will be able to get a foothold on the 100% uncolonized grain


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    #24337070 - 05/21/17 12:55 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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like i said, i wouldnt have done g2g with it in any case

what i would do (even at this point) is spawn to bulk (not g2g). just bucket tek some coir and make a monotub by crumbling it together. this is totally set and forget, and will definitely do better than fruiting directly off the block. this will be easier than the instructions (no daily misting) and will yield WAY more mushrooms

if you are going to fruit directly off the block, you could put it in a proper fruiting chamber and get much better results than just using the bag. you could literally just set the tray into a monotub or a SGFC and willl get a better pinset

feel free to post updates regardless of what you decide to do, but as far as "people having a final verdict on these pre-colonized kits," i dont think its going to change anything. anyone who understands the basics of cultivation is gonna feel the same way about this kind of thing, there isnt really any mystery to solve, it is 100% predictable. we have seen it a thousand times before, thats why we are able to give you tried-and-true advice about how to make the most out of it in your situation. there really isnt any diversity of opinions about this among the people in the know. if you stick with the hobby for a while, you will almost certainly feel the same way :smile:

ps: about your name, i know i could see from your post history :smile: im just entertaining myself, no worries my friend :smile:




Could you please elaborate on why it would be a bad idea to G2G the kit? I mean the spawn looks good to me, am I missing something?




good question, i dig the critical thinking youve shown in this thread, +5 :highfive1:

as space said, basically the problem is that it has been exposed to open air. it is fine for spawning to bulk (which is something we do in open air) but it is not fine for g2g (which has to be sterile)

anything we use for g2g needs to be SUPER clean, since we dont want to expand something dirty. a fully colonized block like that kit is VERY contam resistant: contams land on it all the time but they have no food to eat since the myc is so well established (and the parasitic ones cant beat the myc till things acidify, etc). a sterile jar of grain is a totally different story, because it is basically the microbiological jackpot for anything that can digest it (whether that is cube myc or contams). grain is VERY dense in nutrients, and when contam spores, bacteria, etc, from the surface of the myc come into contact with the sterile food, it will start to colonize it. things that couldnt get a foothold on the 100% colonized block will be able to get a foothold on the 100% uncolonized grain





Yup, makes sense. But IF the kit was unopened, wozld you use this kit to g2g? (OP posted some pics before)

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    #24337076 - 05/21/17 01:02 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

no, since i didnt make it. when you didnt prep it, you have no idea what they did or what their technique was like

i wont even g2g something that was started with spores in any case, even if it looks clean. mainly because i cant risk wasting time, and g2g expanding a dirty culture is a MASSIVE waste of time

i wouldnt bother with a kit in any case. that said, it would be cool to see someone who lives in a country where you can get those to use it to spawn to bulk, itd be cool to see someone do a true bulk grow like that, since it is the fastest way i could conceive of for someone to go from zero to bulk


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    #24337095 - 05/21/17 01:15 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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no, since i didnt make it. when you didnt prep it, you have no idea what they did or what their technique was like

i wont even g2g something that was started with spores in any case, even if it looks clean. mainly because i cant risk wasting time, and g2g expanding a dirty culture is a MASSIVE waste of time

i wouldnt bother with a kit in any case. that said, it would be cool to see someone who lives in a country where you can get those to use it to spawn to bulk, itd be cool to see someone do a true bulk grow like that, since it is the fastest way i could conceive of for someone to go from zero to bulk




Well guess what, I'm just that person with a kit on hand. I currently have a tub going but wanted to try and buy a kit to see if what  they use is MS or isolate.
I want to try 2 things: Use mini-tweezers to get a few small samples from the kit just upon freshly opening it and put them to rye. later I will make a shoebox or maybe combine it with my spawn (half and half - left side, right side) in a tub.

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    #24337112 - 05/21/17 01:27 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

what exactly do you have? like a precolonized kit? we cant get those in the states, so its confusing, we dont know if people mean precolonized brick like in europe or presterilized jars and a spore syringe (usa style kit)

you are kinda asking the wrong question regarding MS vs isolate. its almost certainly MS, but that is totally irrelevant. you shouldnt be worried about isolates at this point, all you want is a well organized culture, whether that is pure MS, clone, or whatever.

what you are suggesting doing is a bad idea, almost certainly would be a total waste. if you have access to a precolonized block like that, what i would do is bucket tek some coir and make a monotub, mixing the coir with the crumbled up kit block at a 1:1 ratio. this way, you will almost certainly get bulk yields, faster than any conceivable way

after you have fruits, clone a good cluster and use that to make new grain spawn. use that to g2g and make all the spawn you need, and mix that with bucket tek'd coir as needed to make monotubs

that way, you turn that kit into a lifetime supply of shrooms, clone cultures, genetics from spores, etc.. you will be totally self sufficient. this is exactly what people who sell kits are TERRIFIED of


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    #24337135 - 05/21/17 01:44 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

It's a precolonized sub just like the one from OP. I will go down the route you pointed me to, but I have one tub fruiting and 2 in colonization, my miss is gonna kill me for another tub :blush:

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    #24337187 - 05/21/17 02:33 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

sweet, keep us posted, i wanna see how it turns out :smile:

im a little confused what you mean though when you say " I have one tub fruiting and 2 in colonization," can you clarify what you mean?


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    #24337189 - 05/21/17 02:35 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

It turned out that my kit was contaminated with lipstick mold. More info here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24335817
A big bummer for me, because I wanted to try spore printing and syringe creation, etc. With a contaminated substrate, this is no longer possible. All I can do now is hope that the mycelium will overpower the lipstick mold and will fruit normally.
The only thing I can think of that would potentially allow me to continue my mycology journey, is cloning from the sterile inside of a stem. Still very risky.

Before you take spore prints or do anything else with your kit, check thoroughly for contaminations.
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    #24337197 - 05/21/17 02:44 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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sweet, keep us posted, i wanna see how it turns out :smile:

im a little confused what you mean though when you say " I have one tub fruiting and 2 in colonization," can you clarify what you mean?




Well I currently have two monotubs colonizing and one fruiting so I'm running out of space :frown:

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    #24337201 - 05/21/17 02:49 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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A big bummer for me, because I wanted to try spore printing and syringe creation, etc. With a contaminated substrate, this is no longer possible

Before you take spore prints or do anything else with your kit, check thoroughly for contaminations.
First time in my life I see lipstick mold, which tells me that it came with the kit.




??? what are you talking about? none of that makes any sense

if it fruits, you can print it. but making spore syringes is pointless unless you plan to sell spore syringes :lol:

you should really move on to clone cultures and away from spores as soon as possible. just use spores for long term storage, you dont have to ever make a spore syringe, they are not the way people do things these days
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sweet, keep us posted, i wanna see how it turns out :smile:

im a little confused what you mean though when you say " I have one tub fruiting and 2 in colonization," can you clarify what you mean?




Well I currently have two monotubs colonizing and one fruiting so I'm running out of space :frown:




lol i see, thats a good problem to have! what are they colonizing with? how did you make them?


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    #24337208 - 05/21/17 02:53 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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A big bummer for me, because I wanted to try spore printing and syringe creation, etc. With a contaminated substrate, this is no longer possible

Before you take spore prints or do anything else with your kit, check thoroughly for contaminations.
First time in my life I see lipstick mold, which tells me that it came with the kit.




??? what are you talking about? none of that makes any sense

if it fruits, you can print it. but making spore syringes is pointless unless you plan to sell spore syringes :lol:

you should really move on to clone cultures and away from spores as soon as possible. just use spores for long term storage, you dont have to ever make a spore syringe, they are not the way people do things these days
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sweet, keep us posted, i wanna see how it turns out :smile:

im a little confused what you mean though when you say " I have one tub fruiting and 2 in colonization," can you clarify what you mean?




Well I currently have two monotubs colonizing and one fruiting so I'm running out of space :frown:




lol i see, thats a good problem to have! what are they colonizing with? how did you make them?




Spores->agar->3 transfers->LC->rye->CVG->standard monotubs with micropore

Edit: But I'm unhappy with my culture (slow colonization) and so I bought a kit wishfully thinking they use a good isolate

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    #24337216 - 05/21/17 02:57 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Well, if your substrate is contaminated but still fruits, it is not OK to take spore prints from the fruits, because there will be mold spores all over them.
I will read more about cloning, which right now is my only option anyway.


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    #24337230 - 05/21/17 03:08 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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Well, if your substrate is contaminated but still fruits, it is not OK to take spore prints from the fruits, because there will be mold spores all over them.
I will read more about cloning, which right now is my only option anyway.



Try letting know the vendor about the mold problem, they will probably send you a new kit :smile:

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    #24337233 - 05/21/17 03:11 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

@mushiehunter

ah i see, that was good thinking, you are thinking right, but id be VERY surprised if the kit culture was worth a damn.  do you still have any of your agar plate cultures? can you post pics of them? i would go back to them first, since the LC could have been the issue

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Well, if your substrate is contaminated but still fruits, it is not OK to take spore prints from the fruits, because there will be mold spores all over them.
I will read more about cloning, which right now is my only option anyway.




lol if you say so :lol:

agar, agar, and agar

btw, your kit contamd because they used dirty spawn. this is exactly the reason we advise against kits, because we have seen this same thing happen 1000 times


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    #24337238 - 05/21/17 03:17 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I may contact the vendor to warn them about the problem.
Meanwhile, I will be running this contaminated kit until I get fruits from it. I really, really hope that the mold will be overpowered by the mycelium.
Checked today and there were not any new lipstick mold spots, knock on wood.


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    #24337240 - 05/21/17 03:21 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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ah i see, that was good thinking, you are thinking right, but id be VERY surprised if the kit culture was worth a damn.  do you still have any of your agar plate cultures? can you post pics of them? i would go back to them first, since the LC could have been the issue

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Well, if your substrate is contaminated but still fruits, it is not OK to take spore prints from the fruits, because there will be mold spores all over them.
I will read more about cloning, which right now is my only option anyway.




lol if you say so :lol:

agar, agar, and agar

btw, your kit contamd because they used dirty spawn. this is exactly the reason we advise against kits, because we have seen this same thing happen 1000 times




Yeah I still have my cultures but since I have fruits now I will probably make a clone and start some other strains on agar from spores in the meantime.

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    #24337248 - 05/21/17 03:25 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

oh well you didnt say that! yeah, if you have fruits, clone em!

when you start fruiting clone cultures, you probably wont want to touch spores again for a loooooong time :smile:

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    #24337251 - 05/21/17 03:27 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I would much rather buy a great isolate from them on a petri since they are already selling live cultures, but they wouldn't make as much $$ this way.. it's just sad.

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    #24337254 - 05/21/17 03:30 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

you are giving them too much credit... i highly doubt they have a great isolate to sell...

isolates are not really what you should be worrying about anyway. leave isolates to researchers and pro mycologists. just focus on organized cultures, whether clone or plain ms. all you want is a well organized culture, that will suit your purposes better than an isolate


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    #24337267 - 05/21/17 03:43 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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you are giving them too much credit... i highly doubt they have a great isolate to sell...

isolates are not really what you should be worrying about anyway. leave isolates to researchers and pro mycologists. just focus on organized cultures, whether clone or plain ms. all you want is a well organized culture, that will suit your purposes better than an isolate




There's a business Idea for a full-time shroomerite :grin: Move to Netherlands and start selling good, clean cultures :smile:

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you are giving them too much credit... i highly doubt they have a great isolate to sell...

isolates are not really what you should be worrying about anyway. leave isolates to researchers and pro mycologists. just focus on organized cultures, whether clone or plain ms. all you want is a well organized culture, that will suit your purposes better than an isolate




There's a business Idea for a full-time shroomerite :grin: Move to Netherlands and start selling good, clean cultures :smile:




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you are giving them too much credit... i highly doubt they have a great isolate to sell...

isolates are not really what you should be worrying about anyway. leave isolates to researchers and pro mycologists. just focus on organized cultures, whether clone or plain ms. all you want is a well organized culture, that will suit your purposes better than an isolate




There's a business Idea for a full-time shroomerite :grin: Move to Netherlands and start selling good, clean cultures :smile:




I've debated this in my head for a loooooong time tbh.




I don't really think what they are doing is perfectly legal..

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    #24338010 - 05/21/17 12:37 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

selling shrooms is so evil. even if it were legal. to sell such a gift??

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