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Morning glories, Ipomoea Alba - LSA content
    #14039422 - 02/27/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have planted three Ipomoea tricolor - Heavenly Blue seeds, two of which have their first set of leaves.
I have some Ipomoea purpurea - Purple Morning Glory and
Ipomoea Alba - Moonflower/moonvine soaking in a bowl of warm water.

I know that tricolor and purpurea have LSA content, but what alkaloids are present in the Ipomoea Alba plant/seeds?
I have read that they are toxic, I have also read about an experience where they produced a high. Anyone have any advice about growing any of these and about the moonvines and their active chemicals?


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Re: Morning glories, Ipomoea Alba - LSA content [Re: Florida]
    #14039660 - 02/27/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have nothing to add that is useful, but any chance you can show pics of the morning glories? Only reason is I am thinking of growing these myself and they're pretty. There are tons of varieties as well =D


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Re: Morning glories, Ipomoea Alba - LSA content [Re: Darklight203]
    #14041976 - 02/28/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In my experience I. purpurea is vomitously acrid and very weak (var. Crimson Rambler) :argh:

I. alba was found to have no detectable quantity of ergoline alkaloids (Beyerman, 1963)
I. purpurea does have actives but at a fraction of the concentration of I. tricolor (ranging from 1/20th to 3/4 in the sci literature, my flirtations with Crimson Rambler seeming about 1/4 to 1/3 strength)


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Re: Morning glories, Ipomoea Alba - LSA content [Re: Auxin]
    #14043123 - 02/28/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, just use the heavenly blues. 

Moonflower smells good as fuck though.  Do a steam extraction and make some cologne.


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Re: Morning glories, Ipomoea Alba - LSA content [Re: Horticulture]
    #14044940 - 02/28/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Darklight203 said:
I have nothing to add that is useful, but any chance you can show pics of the morning glories? Only reason is I am thinking of growing these myself and they're pretty. There are tons of varieties as well =D



I would love to oblige you but I don't have a camera right now, maybe in a couple days..
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Auxin said:
In my experience I. purpurea is vomitously acrid and very weak (var. Crimson Rambler) :argh:

I. alba was found to have no detectable quantity of ergoline alkaloids (Beyerman, 1963)
I. purpurea does have actives but at a fraction of the concentration of I. tricolor (ranging from 1/20th to 3/4 in the sci literature, my flirtations with Crimson Rambler seeming about 1/4 to 1/3 strength)




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Horticulture said:
Well at least the I. purpurea do have actives, the seed pack only listed them but it said it was a mix, the picture looks like it has some heavenly blues in it. Some of the seeds were tan and some were black.

Yeah, just use the heavenly blues. 

Moonflower smells good as fuck though.  Do a steam extraction and make some cologne.



Cool, it is a beautiful plant.
Steam extraction, you mean like distillate it?

I was at Ace Hardware today and they had a few different flowering Poppy plants. They had flowers although they had no pods. Do only some poppy varieties produce pods?


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Re: Morning glories, Ipomoea Alba - LSA content [Re: Horticulture]
    #24325493 - 05/16/17 08:45 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I tried the steam distillation because they do indeed smell "good as fuck", however they begin to oxidize immediately upon removal from the vine. Steam distillation resulted in nasty smelling nothingness. I think a DCM or hexane extraction might work better, I intend to try that next.


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Re: Morning glories, Ipomoea Alba - LSA content [Re: Shitsngiggles]
    #24325618 - 05/16/17 09:34 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Not about I. Alba but maybe interesting anyway

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These fungi (Clavicipitaceae) are macroscopically visible on the adaxial surface when young leaf buds are opened or
are detectable by molecular biological techniques in seeds. Detectability of the fungus correlates with the absence or
presence of ergoline alkaloids within the respective plant organ.




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This is in line with our own observation, which
showed that ergoline alkaloids disappear from white I. asarifolia
as well as T. corymbosa plants when the fungus is removed by
fungicides






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Following early experiments with clavicipitaceous fungi present
on grasses, it has been noted that the composition of alkaloids is
hereditary but is also influenced by the nutrition or physiological
state of the host plant




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It is possible that the viability of the clavicipitaceous fungus in
I. Violacea seeds is limited, resulting in a plant devoid of alkaloids
after germination of the seed. A similar observation has been
reported for seeds of Poaceae infected by a clavicipitaceous fungus.




https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18031017


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Re: Morning glories, Ipomoea Alba - LSA content [Re: DualWieldRake]
    #24325695 - 05/16/17 10:03 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

My wild guess is that for I. alba the seeds are not attractive for these fungi



Not based on much else than them looking so smooth/shiny (and white) compared to the seeds of other species, and lack of information about this one containing the alkaloids


Edited by DualWieldRake (05/16/17 10:05 PM)


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Re: Morning glories, Ipomoea Alba - LSA content [Re: DualWieldRake]
    #24327677 - 05/17/17 04:02 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Periglandula colonies on a Argyreia (finally know what these white specs on my plant were :smile:)



Some stuff (expected to be fungi too) on my Turbina.
Others i didn't take a picture of had it a lot more before it went black and dried up (most of it only after planting them outside)



This research did a test to see how it spreads, they found out it wasn't spreading in the 18 weeks they observed grafts between colonized and not colonized plants.

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/Vespiary/talk/files/4577-Ergoline-alkaloids-in-convolvulaceous-host-plants-originatea587.pdf

My theory is it's waiting for a bug to populate then it spreads by said bug to other parts of the plant.
Or just trough intra-plantenary contact perhaps


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