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5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack
    #24321801 - 05/15/17 04:52 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Seriously considering getting in touch with an organization in Manitoba
and seeing if they can benefit from any sort of volunteer time or something
in terms of dog management

it upset me to know of children attacking a pet
but this woman was taken in tragic and horrendous circumstances
and there is a poor little girl left with nothing now :sad:
on account of the pet management getting so out of control
that the dogs are in wild packs
but if the dogs in the community homes do not start getting spayed or neutered
killing all 30 dogs now is only going to push back the likelihood of a recurrence to a few years
as the population builds up again

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Manitoba RCMP have confirmed that a young woman whose body was found surrounded by dozens of dogs died from an animal attack.

Donnelly Rose Eaglestick, 24, of Little Grand Rapids First Nation, was found dead Saturday morning at a construction site for the community's new water treatment plant.

Family told CBC News that Eaglestick's body was surrounded by roughly 30 stray dogs. She is believed to have died between 1:30 a.m. and 3:30 a.m., her uncle, Roderick Mayham, said Sunday.

After a "thorough" investigation, forensic investigators and police officers with Little Grand Rapids RCMP determined Eaglestick died from an animal attack and her death was not suspicious, a police news release said.

"A young mother was taken from us far too soon. The community is in a state of shock, a state of sadness," said Kewatinook MLA Judy Klassen, interim leader of the Manitoba Liberals in the Manitoba Legislature Monday.

Eaglestick leaves behind a five-year-old daughter, now an orphan. The girl's father died previously of exposure.

"We need to work together so that every Manitoban feels cared for in the wake of a tragedy," said Klassen.

Health Minister Kelvin Goertzen responded by offering condolences and promising to send additional resources to the remote, fly-in community.

"We stand by willing to offer assistance," Goertzen said.
'I can't believe she's gone'

Band councillor Robert Leveque said a meeting was held Monday to discuss how to deal with the "seriously dangerous" dogs. Council is considering putting them down next week, he said.

In the meantime, people are being asked to keep a close eye on children.

"We have to watch our little ones," Leveque said.

Little Grand Rapids Chief Roy Dunsford said Sunday residents nearby heard dogs barking around 3 a.m. the morning Eaglestick died, but thought the commotion was due to a bear.

Eaglestick's family remembers the young mother as a fun, loving person who never held a grudge.

"I can't believe she's gone ... she was a nice person. Loving and caring," said Eaglestick's friend Millie Jasmine Pascal, on the weekend. "I can't stop crying."

Little Grand Rapids First Nation, home to about 1,000 full-time residents, is a fly-in community located 270 kilometres northeast of Winnipeg.




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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: Tantrika]
    #24322195 - 05/15/17 07:08 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

man's best friend.

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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24322305 - 05/15/17 07:38 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

The dad died of exposure and the mom got killed by a pack of dogs? Does this stuff happen often in Canada?


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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: saythatagain]
    #24322331 - 05/15/17 07:47 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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saythatagain said:
The dad died of exposure and the mom got killed by a pack of dogs? Does this stuff happen often in Canada?




I dunno. The fatality rate during Canadian mating season is quite appalling.

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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: saythatagain]
    #24322498 - 05/15/17 08:52 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

saythatagain said:
The dad died of exposure and the mom got killed by a pack of dogs? Does this stuff happen often in Canada?




mmm
the answer to this is mildly more complex than one would expect
but it is both yes and no

within the national confines one would recognize as Canada on a map
these things happen
within a political sphere
these things happen mostly on or around reservations
which the Canadian government recognizes as the First Nations
and deals with each on a Nation-to-Nation basis

The location in the story is up near the Northern Manitoba/Ontario border
and is pretty remote
with Winnipeg being the nearest major city
and no road connections between the two
it is only possible to fly in or out



from their main page, they do have a water treatment plant
but that does not guarantee they have running water in all houses
which is an issue that comes up in various First Nations: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/clean-running-water-still-a-luxury-on-many-native-reserves-1.1081705

Some issues arise in terms of bringing infrastructure to such communities
a good example would be what happened with Chief Spence

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/attawapiskat-audit-raises-questions-about-millions-in-spending/article6995751/

http://globalnews.ca/news/1698524/attawapiskat-first-nation-must-repay-1-8-million-government-says/
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OTTAWA – The federal government is demanding the Attawapiskat First Nation pay back $1.8 million after an audit determined the band could not account for the money that was supposed to be spent on housing.

The audit was completed in April of this year, and was recently posted on a government website

It was a follow-up to a comprehensive audit that was ordered after Attawapiskat declared a state of emergency in November 2011, saying there was a housing crisis on the reserve.

At the time, Prime Minister Stephen Harper questioned why there was a crisis when government money has been flowing to the reserve.

“This government has spent some $90 million since coming to office just on Attawapiskat,” he told the House of Commons on Nov. 29, 2011. “That’s over $50,000 for every man, woman and child in the community.

“Obviously we’re not very happy that the results do not seem to have been achieved for that.”

The follow-up audit found that 54 per cent of the transactions under examination had either incomplete or no supporting documentation.




this is not to say that every member of the First Nations councils are corrupt
but that it adds a layer of complication to building up such communities
whereas if they were counted among 'actual' Canadian towns or cities
the government may have expanded capacity in terms of how things are set up

it is a big topic
and do not pretend to personally be well-informed enough about it
to discuss it in far greater nuance tho

Edited by Tantrika (05/15/17 09:00 PM)

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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: Tantrika]
    #24322564 - 05/15/17 09:13 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Tantrika said:
Seriously considering getting in touch with an organization in Manitoba
and seeing if they can benefit from any sort of volunteer time or something
in terms of dog management

it upset me to know of children attacking a pet
but this woman was taken in tragic and horrendous circumstances
and there is a poor little girl left with nothing now :sad:
on account of the pet management getting so out of control
that the dogs are in wild packs
but if the dogs in the community homes do not start getting spayed or neutered
killing all 30 dogs now is only going to push back the likelihood of a recurrence to a few years
as the population builds up again

Quote:

Manitoba RCMP have confirmed that a young woman whose body was found surrounded by dozens of dogs died from an animal attack.

Donnelly Rose Eaglestick, 24, of Little Grand Rapids First Nation, was found dead Saturday morning at a construction site for the community's new water treatment plant.

Family told CBC News that Eaglestick's body was surrounded by roughly 30 stray dogs. She is believed to have died between 1:30 a.m. and 3:30 a.m., her uncle, Roderick Mayham, said Sunday.

After a "thorough" investigation, forensic investigators and police officers with Little Grand Rapids RCMP determined Eaglestick died from an animal attack and her death was not suspicious, a police news release said.

"A young mother was taken from us far too soon. The community is in a state of shock, a state of sadness," said Kewatinook MLA Judy Klassen, interim leader of the Manitoba Liberals in the Manitoba Legislature Monday.

Eaglestick leaves behind a five-year-old daughter, now an orphan. The girl's father died previously of exposure.

"We need to work together so that every Manitoban feels cared for in the wake of a tragedy," said Klassen.

Health Minister Kelvin Goertzen responded by offering condolences and promising to send additional resources to the remote, fly-in community.

"We stand by willing to offer assistance," Goertzen said.
'I can't believe she's gone'

Band councillor Robert Leveque said a meeting was held Monday to discuss how to deal with the "seriously dangerous" dogs. Council is considering putting them down next week, he said.

In the meantime, people are being asked to keep a close eye on children.

"We have to watch our little ones," Leveque said.

Little Grand Rapids Chief Roy Dunsford said Sunday residents nearby heard dogs barking around 3 a.m. the morning Eaglestick died, but thought the commotion was due to a bear.

Eaglestick's family remembers the young mother as a fun, loving person who never held a grudge.

"I can't believe she's gone ... she was a nice person. Loving and caring," said Eaglestick's friend Millie Jasmine Pascal, on the weekend. "I can't stop crying."

Little Grand Rapids First Nation, home to about 1,000 full-time residents, is a fly-in community located 270 kilometres northeast of Winnipeg.




Link here





I'm from The area.

Yes wild dogs are a problem here. It's getting worse. Lots of reasons why it got this bad, mostly due to harsh conditions for both humans and animals.

Help would be welcome. Contact the local rcmp would be a good start.

If not prepared, one can die from exposure. I don't go camping without a rifle. Bears and wolves get hungry too

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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: FlusH]
    #24322576 - 05/15/17 09:15 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Problem is pretty much across the northern province. Grand rapids area, eriksdale, Norway house all have roaming dogs. In easterville it is getting particularly bad

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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #24322952 - 05/16/17 12:31 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Now if my president commanded a name like "T-Rumpy", then i'd prob just have him drop the biggest, non nuclear, bomb on dem "terrorists".  Don't worry, the CIA already made it look like a bacterial hot spot, anthropologically speaking. 

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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: saythatagain] * 3
    #24322975 - 05/16/17 12:42 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

saythatagain said:
The dad died of exposure and the mom got killed by a pack of dogs? Does this stuff happen often in Canada?




in white Canada no
on native reserves yes

a lot of reserves are like third world countries its pretty grotesque

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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: Ezuma] * 3
    #24322998 - 05/16/17 12:57 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

right now, somewhere, Bohdi of Ankou is

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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: Ezuma]
    #24323419 - 05/16/17 06:47 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Ezuma said:
Quote:

saythatagain said:
The dad died of exposure and the mom got killed by a pack of dogs? Does this stuff happen often in Canada?




in white Canada no
on native reserves yes

a lot of reserves are like third world countries its pretty grotesque



Yeah some Canadians are pretty smug about America's poverty problems, but it's really more that ours are just hidden away in these remote communities rather than inner cities.

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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: psi]
    #24323714 - 05/16/17 09:11 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

See, keep your fucking dogs on a leash!

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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #24324393 - 05/16/17 02:01 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
man's best friend.



Quote:

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See, keep your fucking dogs on a leash!




Wild dogs actually scare me more than wolves
because we spent millennia breeding away their fear of humans and human society
but we made sure to keep their hunting instinct
and general aggression toward humans outside 'their pack'

wolves need to be in a pretty bad way to stray and hunt near humans
dogs find our population bases to be a natural habitat

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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: Tantrika]
    #24324611 - 05/16/17 03:09 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

actually people used to let their dogs out and then welcome them back home for supper
in the old days packs of dogs were a social thing
even today the only dogs that kill neighbors pets are hunting dogs
to be honest I think this dog was probably mistreated at some point to do something like that to a human

Edited by Konyap (05/16/17 03:11 PM)

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Re: 5-Year-Old Left Orphaned After Mother Killed in Dog Attack [Re: Konyap]
    #24324639 - 05/16/17 03:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Konyap said:
actually people used to let their dogs out and then welcome them back home for supper
in the old days packs of dogs were a social thing
even today the only dogs that kill neighbors pets are hunting dogs




my terrier/miniature pincher cross
nearly ripped the throat out of the neighbour's black lab (hunting dog)
who was a border patrol dog,
trained to sniff out contraband in cars and trucks at the land port to North Dakota
but my dog was feral, and she had spent months living with coyotes

A trained dog that wanders
is a world apart from a feral dog
fending for itself with no home

my neighbours up the road
have a chocolate lab that walks with me up to the marsh in the evenings
does not scare me at all

the wild dogs on the reservations
are puppies that got released/left for the wilds
rather than being raised in a home
some instances they are never trained

the issue that takes place
is that the trained dogs with homes wander
breed, produce puppies
and the puppies are not kept
which form packs as wild dogs

the 'most obvious' solution
would be mass neutering and spaying of local pets
but some tribes consider neutering to be animal cruelty

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