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jkz
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: mistamonsta]
#24328295 - 05/17/17 07:55 PM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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mistamonsta said: Bumping with a pic of some more wild specimens to be harvested for prints tonight.
 I'd hoped to have some prints already but decided to leave my home specimens to grow bigger caps. Tonight I will be doing a mass printing of all specimens available, wild and collected. I'd like to wait for the best possible specimens to print but that is just not practical this time of year.
I went and got all the gear required for an agar pour so this weekend I will make up plates and get things started. I figure I will start a "growlog" and my next post on this thread will be the link to it for anyone still interested.
Once again peeps, thanks for your interest, encouragement and all your advice 
God they look good. What species?
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bobwastaken
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: amidogen]
#24328298 - 05/17/17 07:56 PM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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Reckon a big question to answer is how/if they will fruit readily indoors. That will determine whether or not it will be a viable/popular alternative to cubes. They are hardy and fruit in a wider variety of conditions in the wild so you might be onto something here.
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saralove



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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: mistamonsta]
#24328760 - 05/18/17 12:30 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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Cool thread mistamonsta, just noticed it passing by.
Glad you are doing good work on these guys.

Psilocybe alutacea will fruit readily indoors if cold temperatures can be maintained.
From my experience 55-59 F / 12-15 C for at least 20 days constant.
I couldn't find any parameters on these when I first began studying them so I did a few experiments to see.
I fruited a few times indoors at 70 F / 21 C and 60 F / 15 C - but only then when I tried colder did the pinheads begin to form.
If anyone wants to look at a print for microscopy just PM me.
I've already sent Work man a copy, so we should all see a proper guide to these in the coming future.
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saralove



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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: saralove] 1
#24328766 - 05/18/17 12:35 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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PS-
eat, ham, and mush lol - heya! 
I just scrolled up and didn't even notice you guys were here doh!

bunya you too!
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bobwastaken
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: saralove]
#24328774 - 05/18/17 12:41 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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saralove said: Cool thread mistamonsta, just noticed it passing by.
Glad you are doing good work on these guys.

Psilocybe alutacea will fruit readily indoors if cold temperatures can be maintained.
From my experience 55-59 F / 12-15 C for at least 20 days constant.
I couldn't find any parameters on these when I first began studying them so I did a few experiments to see.
I fruited a few times indoors at 70 F / 21 C and 60 F / 15 C - but only then when I tried colder did the pinheads begin to form.
If anyone wants to look at a print for microscopy just PM me.
I've already sent Work man a copy, so we should all see a proper guide to these in the coming future.

Great informative post saralove and exciting news. I have to hand it to you again for an epic P.Alutacea grow! Still ogling at those pics.
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mistamonsta
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: bobwastaken]
#24328818 - 05/18/17 01:07 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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Thanks so much for popping in saralove, as I said in my OP it was seeing your grow that got me so excited after making my find. Your encouragement means a lot and your info is invaluable Now I know I'm not completely delusional 
Yeah bobwastaken, these are incredibly hardy as Im sure you know. You've photographed some nice meaty specimens, better ones than I have found for sure. Your photography was another big influence, thanks man 
I'm so glad peeps worldwide are interested in this "little Aussie battler"
The next question is whether anyone is working on Ps. Tasmaniana yet?
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Bunya


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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: mistamonsta] 1
#24328820 - 05/18/17 01:09 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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mistamonsta
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: Bunya]
#24328830 - 05/18/17 01:15 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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Bunya said: I will just leave this here. Saralove grow. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24153162
For those that didn't find the link in my OP
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TheHunt
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: mistamonsta]
#24328835 - 05/18/17 01:22 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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Hey man glad to see you have interest too!
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Gymnopilus aeruginosus Gymnopilus luteofolius Panaeolopsis sp. Panaeolus bispora Panaeolus cinctulus Panaeolus olivaceus Pluteus salicinus Psilocybe allenii Psilocybe azurescens Psilocybe cyanescens Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata Psilocybe pelliculosa Psilocybe semilanceata Psilocybe stuntzii
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Bunya


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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: mistamonsta]
#24328837 - 05/18/17 01:23 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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I have seen P. Tasmaniana mycelium but havent seen it fruited yet. A few people have prints,so hopefully we will see something soon.
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NobodyYouKnow
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: mistamonsta] 1
#24328874 - 05/18/17 01:55 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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You've got me excited to see what you come up with, I will be looking for some wild specimens in the SA spots soon and will try to get some agar going to join you.
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: NobodyYouKnow]
#24329097 - 05/18/17 06:14 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: Tookitooki]
#24329109 - 05/18/17 06:27 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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mistamonsta
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: NobodyYouKnow]
#24330586 - 05/18/17 04:33 PM (7 years, 2 days ago) |
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Bunya said: I have seen P. Tasmaniana mycelium but havent seen it fruited yet. A few people have prints,so hopefully we will see something soon.
That's what I wanted to hear, thanks Bunya 
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NobodyYouKnow said: I will be looking for some wild specimens in the SA spots soon and will try to get some agar going to join you.
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saralove



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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: mistamonsta]
#24333166 - 05/19/17 02:15 PM (7 years, 1 day ago) |
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bobwastaken said:
Great informative post saralove and exciting news. I have to hand it to you again for an epic P.Alutacea grow! Still ogling at those pics.
Have always been a fan of your SA threads bob! Your photos of Psilocybe alutacea and friends are some of my favorites!
May I ask, what is your camera setup? I love your great keen eye for photography. 
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mistamonsta said: The next question is whether anyone is working on Ps. Tasmaniana yet?

Psilocybe tasmaniana has been cultivated before.
But let me check with this person first to see if they are okay for me to say so in public.
Maybe they can chime in...
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mynakedrat
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: saralove]
#24333177 - 05/19/17 02:20 PM (7 years, 1 day ago) |
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I'll have some Taz in a few days to start indoor culture. It's a wood lover too.
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saralove



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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: mynakedrat]
#24333248 - 05/19/17 02:47 PM (7 years, 1 day ago) |
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mynakedrat said: I'll have some Taz in a few days to start indoor culture. It's a wood lover too.
That's awesome mynakedrat. Sending you lots of grow love your way.
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bobwastaken
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: saralove]
#24333723 - 05/19/17 06:09 PM (7 years, 1 day ago) |
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saralove said:
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bobwastaken said:
Great informative post saralove and exciting news. I have to hand it to you again for an epic P.Alutacea grow! Still ogling at those pics.
Have always been a fan of your SA threads bob! Your photos of Psilocybe alutacea and friends are some of my favorites!
May I ask, what is your camera setup? I love your great keen eye for photography. 
Cheers saralove, I just photograph the sexy looking mushrooms. Setup is nothing fancy just an old Sony RX100 compact with the addition of ND filters and Raynox macroscopic lens. Can't recommend it though. By far the worst camera I've owned in terms of durability.
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inski
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: bobwastaken] 1
#24335784 - 05/20/17 02:13 PM (7 years, 19 hours ago) |
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Psilocybe tasmaniana is a species that is capable of fruiting from clay soil or very decomposed wood so it falls in between those true lignicolous species like P. subaeruginosa and P. cyanescens for example and the true terricolous species like P. aucklandiae or species from Section Mexicanae or Section Cordisporae, here is an image of P. tasmaniana fruiting from clay soil.

I have P. alutacea started on agar so can hopefully contribute to this thread soon, maybe it could fruit directly from cased grain.
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mistamonsta
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Re: Potential for Domestication and strain Isolation of Ps. Alutaceae [Re: inski]
#24336955 - 05/20/17 11:23 PM (7 years, 10 hours ago) |
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inski said: Psilocybe tasmaniana is a species that is capable of fruiting from clay soil or very decomposed wood so it falls in between those true lignicolous species like P. subaeruginosa and P. cyanescens for example and the true terricolous species like P. aucklandiae or species from Section Mexicanae or Section Cordisporae,
Thanks for saying hi Inski, more brilliant info and great work fruiting those sexy little things  Since I can find so little info on these two species I have been trying to make as many field observations as I can for P. Tasmaniana and P. Alutacea to fill in the gaps. Approx pinning and fruiting temps, occurrence after rain, general moisture levels of dung bearing specimens etc and you just answered a whole bunch of questions in one go. The varying habitat of P. Tasmaniana is one of the things that has thrown me with IDs in the field.
Granite based red clay mixed with Eucalypt/tea tree leaf litter seems to be the preferred habitat of P. Tasmaniana on my mountain. And I also notice that the larger P. Alutacea specimens form on the bottom of dung and actually send big meaty rhizomorphs out into the same type of red clay. I'm thinking it most likely is for moisture collection but then perhaps some minerals in the clay are beneficial to larger fruit development, something lacking in the wombat dung alone?
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