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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
#24800029 - 11/22/17 01:38 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sucks to hear about Tezos - I wonder if ill ever see any money from those coins at all.
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: ManianFH]
#24800098 - 11/22/17 02:33 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I suspect so, but won't hold my breath. I think their biggest error was in having a Delaware (US) based company, Dynamic Ledger Solutions, involved in the ICO, as that opened the door for litigation based on US Securities laws. On the other hand, they have a sizable war chest, and I don't think they'll go down without a fight. Nevertheless, this wasn't how it was supposed to go, and that is unfortunate for those of us who invested.
Here's a link to one of the law firms attempting to file a class action lawsuit against DLS, you can put in your information if you would like them to keep you informed of how the case proceeds: https://www.hbsslaw.com/cases/XTZ
The first class action was filed by Taylor-Copeland Law out of San Diego, California, but they have not yet solicited class members for their case.
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: tito123]
#24800146 - 11/22/17 02:58 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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tito123 said: Thoughts on monero? 100% anonymous and decentralized. If btc becomes more mainstream and regulated, there may be more of a demand for a more currency that can't be traced.
Wanted to bring up this post from early on in this thread... and offer a mea culpa for having dismissed it!  
The ring-signature methodology for ensuring an additional layer of privacy in Monero transactions appears sound and well accepted, and market participants do seem to be appreciating the built in privacy feature as Bitcoin in particular gains ever more attention from global regulators. I believe at the time tito123 made his post, Monero was just setting fresh highs at $60 a pop. It subsequently took a 50% haircut over the next five weeks, but had a big breakout in late August that blasted it all the way up to $150 in short order. I ended up purchasing some once it had settled in at around $90, and we are now seeing a new breakout to all time highs in the issue this week. I would have a hard time buying it here at $170, but am happy to be holding it. For those looking to buy, I would target an entry with bids somewhere around $125-$135.
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: geokills]
#24801202 - 11/22/17 10:51 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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What is everyone's thought on the current state of alts? looking at charts, it seems like they may have bottomed out. starting to see tokens like waves/xlm/zec picking up volume and are about to, or already are, testing resistance on the 1D.
i'm entering into some new positions slowly, hoping for a BTC rally to cut 10-20% off alt prices. but am starting to get a bit impatient - wondering if the time to buy was a week or two ago. don't want to miss the train if the whole market rallies hard like it did in June.
seems like big moves are coming. the media attention is overwhelming - the greatest i've seen since i started back in early 2014. BTC is on CNBC all the time and it's only a matter of time until BTC hits 10k. 10k will have a big psychological impact on people who are waiting to jump in. people don't want to get left behind. investment firms will have to start trading crypto for their clients - more and more people are requesting this because of the "crazy gains" they hear of. if a firm doesn't do this, people interested in cryptos will take their money to a firm that will trade cryptos. this only applies to BTC right now - don't think institutions are legally able to trade anything else once the CME contract is available. but the industry is rapidly maturing and we'll see institutions able to better access the market.
i'll finish with this image. i think we're entering the media attention phase. the first sell off was the Dec 2013 bubble. look at the 1W BTC chart and you'll see this pattern. still room for this thing to keep bubbling, but always taking profits as this thing grows. i think we all agree 2017 was a great year for crypto - but i think 2018 will be yet another great year assuming fundamentals remain good.
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: shr]
#24801264 - 11/22/17 11:43 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I feel like the recent surge was from all the media attention. I dont know if that phase its nearing its end already or what. Dont see it selling off much because now everyone is going to wait as long as possible to get those insane returns theyve been hearing about. But I think it could be a while before there is another surge, and that might have to come from a new innovation that makes all these alts mainstream accessible. Right now people have all these coins and they dont know what they even do.
Just a wild guess off a gut feeling.
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: ManianFH]
#24801398 - 11/23/17 02:12 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Still no cryptocurrency in sight (that im aware of) which actually scales well. Theyll all crash when theres too many users and so will their marketcap.
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
#24801777 - 11/23/17 08:40 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bcc has worked towards scalability with on chain block increases hence the fork.. Others are ramping up to scale testing new waters.. All this is emerging tech it's just not gonna scale to 100% in a short time.. Ethereum is one working constantly at scaling efforts i.e. Raiden plasma Casper etc. I wouldn't discount those that are working towards scalability as it WILL happen. Look at the Koreans buying up bcc. Bc it's actually gonna be a usable currency. The BTC craze will fizzle out eventually like in the chart above as people realize it's useless as a currency and solely a store of value.. Which is not the original "plan" for Bitcoin. Anyway lots of drama lots of possibilities Still Wouldn't count myself out bc of the one possibility "they won't scale well, they will crash" lots of gains to be made mang. Sitting on ether feels good right now and if I had gotten in earlier would've rode BTC all the way up. I like cryptos over the ten year scope and I believe there are already some players that will crush it. Think BTC is nearing the end though.. But I could be wrong. Maybe they learn to scale(core) bc they for sure have these issues.. I'm long ether today with a 150$ order for some monero.. Holding some bcc too as I got some in volatility last week with the attempted BTC disruption..
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
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howsyournaggerdoin said: Still no cryptocurrency in sight (that im aware of) which actually scales well. Theyll all crash when theres too many users and so will their marketcap.
ripple is supposed to be able to I think
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
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howsyournaggerdoin said: Still no cryptocurrency in sight (that im aware of) which actually scales well. Theyll all crash when theres too many users and so will their marketcap.
ripple is supposed to be able to I think
last i heard, ripple was doing 5-15 tps. iirc, BTC does under 5 and ETH does under 10. visa does 20k tps
waves is implementing wavesNG in December - that is suppose to get them up to 100 tps
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howsyournaggerdoin said: Still no cryptocurrency in sight (that im aware of) which actually scales well. Theyll all crash when theres too many users and so will their marketcap.
remember, the internet itself didn't scale overnight. these protocols are works in progress
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: shr]
#24816118 - 11/30/17 07:09 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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So what's going on with Bitcoin it seems to be crashing fast should I sell or wait it out?
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: Psyche delics]
#24816475 - 11/30/17 10:09 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Volatility is endemic to the crypto space. It is an emerging sector and market penetration is still relatively small with respect to the financial market in aggregate. Short term swings of ~30% have been commonplace since Bitcoin's inception. Thus, you have to ask yourself two important questions:
- What is your thesis/outlook on bitcoin?
- What is your investment timeframe?
For my part, I believe Bitcoin is going to remain an important settlement layer for value in the crypto sector in the foreseeable future. I believe this because it is the first proof of concept of a trustless cryptographic based distributed ledger system, thus being a leader in terms of initial adoption rates, and because other projects have been using its ledger to airdrop new variants such as Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Gold, Stellar Lumens, etc., which has provided dividends to holders, thus encouraging people to maintain some exposure to what is presently the market leader, and will always be the market genesis.
The second question is trickier. I have funds involved that I do not intend to touch for years, but I respect the parabolic ascent that bitcoin has enjoyed this year, and thus have reduced some of my exposure with the intent to rebuild the position on any meaningful pullback (which in the case of bitcoin volatility could reasonably be considered a crash). Surely the $10K level gives many early adopters a reason to take some profits. But ultimately, the bitcoin market is limited and deflationary by design, so it's hard to argue with the thesis that it will continue to appreciate in value relative to fiat, as fiat holders want to diversify their exposure and demand increases on a relatively static supply. That being said, it could well be ahead of itself here, as rarely does anything appreciate in value so quickly as bitcoin has. There is also the risk of miners abandoning the project once all coins have been minted, or if the scalability issue proves too difficult to surmount with consensus, thus dividing nodes/miners to such an extent as to crush confidence. Even farther out is the outlier event of quantum computing coming into its own and proving its ability to break the cryptographic standards upon which present day distributed ledgers are built.
A lot of things could go wrong, and a lot of things could go right for bitcoin. It seems to be that we will continue to see big swings in the value of bitcoin relative to fiat, as attempts at regulation and various arguments about the implementation of various improvement proposals continue in the future. If you can stomach the churn, and haven't invested more money than you can afford to lose, just stash it away and let the market develop. If you are overexposed, take some profits so you can rest easy. Surely, the %-gains on the road from $10k higher will be a lot harder fought than those from $1k. Also, consider diversifying a portion of your crypto assets, as the technology is likely here to stay, but today's winners could be tomorrow's losers, and vice versa.
Here's a copy & paste of a post I made earlier this morning on my favorite crypto issues to date:
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geokills said: For what it's worth, my Top 5 isn't necessarily centered around cryptocurrencies specifically, but primarily independent platform projects that design their own custom use distributed mechanism, which in many cases extends well beyond a simple cryptocurrency function (but which all have coins or tokens available for use and security).
- Bitcoin - BTC - It's the de facto settlement layer for the crypto sector. Not really panning out as a currency given the lack of consensus regarding scaling in efforts to avoid high transaction fees and slow transaction speeds, even as there are a few potential solutions such as the Lightning Network being floated. Nevertheless, it's the oldest blockchain, the first demonstrable use of the concept, and new developers are consistently using the original BTC blockchain to airdrop new coins in order to reach a diverse audience on day one of issue. For these reasons, even if Satoshi's vision of BTC as a viable currency never pans out, I believe BTC will persist as a settlement layer; at least until quantum computing comes into its own, but at that point all crypto bets are off until they scale to a new cryptographic/technology standard.
- Ethereum - ETH - A more functional virtual machine, distributed computing power that integrates custom programming ability for the use distributed applications (dApps) and so called smart contracts that eliminate counterparty risk. Considerably more flexible than Bitcoin with more case uses and a large group of contributors who appear able to function relatively cohesively in developing and implementing improvements for the platform. Widely adopted and actively used as a vehicle for third party fundraising via Initial Coin Offerings, with active work on scaling projects (e.g. sharding, raiden, etc) and increased privacy via the ability to use zero knowledge proofs, ring signatures and the like; the Ethereum platform has a pretty big jump on the competition, not to say they can't be unseated but right here, right now, they are a leader of the pack. Click here to read a 3-5 year project outlook from Ethereum's founder.
- Neo - NEO - China based virtual machine and distributed ledger project, very similar to Ethereum although functional in more widespread programming languages which could drive increased adoption. Active community of developers and a present day leader of the pack, particularly for Asian economies. Read more at Neo.org.
- Cardano - ADA - An open source virtual machine project sponsored by IOHK with a deep team of engineers focused on taking a scientific approach toward aggregating the most successful implementations from the thousands of existing distributed ledger platforms into a cohesive and flexible layered platform that more adequately addresses scalability concerns with balanced consideration of regulatory and privacy needs. Review their roadmap here.
- OmiseGo - OMG - This is one of the more developed projects being built on top of the Ethereum blockchain, headed by financial services company (Omise) that has a strong foothold with existing operations as a payment gateway service operating in Southeast Asia. Well positioned to integrate blockchain technology for greater efficiencies in their core product, which should start seeing real world use within the coming months. Read more at OmiseGo.network.
Honorable mentions: - Monero (XMR) - For increased privacy and used strictly as a cryptocurrency
- Ripple (XRP) - For formal banking implementation and collaboration
- Lisk (LSK) - For implementing parallel private company blockchains using a proprietary Java based software development kit.
- Power Ledger (POWR) - For energy trading, enabling consumers and businesses to sell surplus solar power to neighbors. Real use case in Australia.
Super-speculative high risk "mad money" play:- Neblio (NEBL) - For implementing parallel private company blockchains using a multitude of common programming languages via Restful API's. Similar to Stratis (STRAT). Extremely small team though, extremely speculative.
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: Psyche delics]
#24817106 - 11/30/17 03:19 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psyche delics said: So what's going on with Bitcoin it seems to be crashing fast should I sell or wait it out?
i would say wait it out but only you can decide.
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: Tipote]
#24817347 - 11/30/17 05:25 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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The crash in btc seems to be over. It was 10k last I looked but that was a few minutes ago so it could be anywhere between 9 and 11k, lol. I did buy some more recently, got it at about 8775, got 8k worth. Back in the day when you spent that much you would get a fistful of btc, now you don't even get 1 coin. It looks like I did the right thing because coin has gone up a bunch since.
I agree on the volatility, it certainly is. But the direction has been relentlessly up. I often receive skepticism when I say now is the time to buy, which it always is especially when it has pulled back some. Always buy the dip
@Geo >other projects have been using its ledger to airdrop new variants such as Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Gold, Stellar Lumens, etc.,
Yeah, those bonus freebie coins are the cats meow. I'm just letting mine sit but someday they could be worth a lot. They are already equal to a more than 20% bonus for those who held when they came out. Some are yet to come.
>There is also the risk of miners abandoning the project once all coins have been minted
Its supposed to happen in 2100 or later? That and quantum computing are not a concern to me. You have analysed cryptos with your usual efficiency, I learn something from each post.
I know its the usual wisdom not to put all eggs in one basket and I have other assets some of which produce income so even if I lost every dime from btc I would not be looking for a job. But going whole hog on btc is what has made my little project into my biggest single asset by far and biggest asset class too.
Early this year when it started to shoot up I decided to put back the cash I took out selling at a lower price and started buying back higher. Isn't that what they say, sell low and buy high? But it turned out to be a great decision and has paid off handsomely. Would have been better if I did that earlier but I can't complain. (grumble grumble)
As for other cryptos, we will see. I do see a future for a number of them but not sure how much more I will put into them. Just as visa and mc are dominant, other cards have a piece of the pie, btc being like visa+mc. Technical superiority does not always = the winner as we saw in the battle between vhs and beta.
Another factor is that eventually consensus will emerge on larger blocks. The last battle was between 2mb and 8mb neither of which happened. BTC can be infinitely scaleable so its just a matter of doing it. If one of the btc spinoffs becomes dominant then we are fine because we got those airdropped on us already.
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: Stonehenge]
#24818741 - 12/01/17 10:44 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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can someone please explain this sell low and buy high logic?
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: Tipote]
#24819921 - 12/01/17 07:32 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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You lose on each trade but make it up on volume, lol
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: Stonehenge]
#24827226 - 12/05/17 06:09 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those of you who buy PoS (Proof of Stake) tokens instead of PoW (Proof of Work), do you claim the interest on your tokens for running a node for the inflation pool?
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: BayerPhi]
#24827491 - 12/05/17 09:49 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good question and inquiring minds would cerainly like to know. I have most my crypto holdings in eth which is supposed to turn pos so I'd really like input in those with experience in this.. As I'd like to stake my holdings for dividends if/when the time comes.. I was thinking pool staking would be a thing also.. Anyway leave it to those more informed here
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: BayerPhi] 4
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BayerPhi said: Those of you who buy PoS (Proof of Stake) tokens instead of PoW (Proof of Work), do you claim the interest on your tokens for running a node for the inflation pool?
I am actively staking my NEBL for 10% annual inflation reward by leaving my wallet open on my desktop, which is on 24/7 regardless (this particular project just released a single command install for a raspberry pi node that will stake as well if you don't have a computer you leave on and want to save electricity). My NEBL has been staking for a couple of months, and is right on target for a 10% annualized reward. 
Another honorable mention for IOTA, which has not focused on marketing, but instead on building business relationships. They just released news about partnerships with Microsoft and some other big players, and their coin has jumped over 1000% in the last month alone. Platform features a unique blockless ledger called "Tangle" that sports zero transaction fees. Certainly worth being a part of a diversified crypto portfolio.
Last thing, great read: - Don't Fall for the Hype: Why Bitcoin's $10,000 price Doesn't Reflect its True Value
Excerpt: "People are hungry to be a part of the world of finance. What was once the private playground of the rich and powerful, the middlemen and brokers, institutions and corporations — the world of investing and financial exchange — have been eclipsed by thousands of common people empowered by the free and open nature of blockchain-based finance. The people that can’t afford the buy-in to the current system, ones who do not pass the vetting of its gatekeepers and are left with nowhere to go. They see Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies as a permissionless option to participate in the global financial economy and a way out of their own rat races. They invest hard earned money, a few bucks here and there, hoping to make honest gains on their own, even risking losses, instead of being at the mercy of consumerism and inflation.
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Children born from 2009 onward are going to live in a world where digital cryptocurrencies always existed and are the norm instead of a fad. They will never understand the need to wait “3 to 5 business days” for money to be transferred, to wait in line at a bank, to pay 10% to send money. It’s easy to think that this is wishful thinking, but remember, lot of people called the internet a fad too. Now we no longer go online, we live online."
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
#24828309 - 12/05/17 04:11 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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You smooth talking devil, you convinced me to but some iota. I might as well, everyone (almost) has been making money on alts and I hear good things about iota. I just started small, .01 btc worth. Might go big after I see how it works
BTW, I heard there was some congestion on the ether network with delays up to hours today.
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