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Perf Registered: 04/20/09 Posts: 7,642 Last seen: 3 years, 9 months |
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Good looks Geo.
I've been looking back into more cryptocurrencies lately. I haven't heard of this one. I was looking into Ethereum when it first came out years ago, but honestly it's still hard for me to completely comprehend how the blockchain and all of it really works. Do you have any thoughts on Namecoin? I always found the idea behind it interesting, but it's price hasn't risen much over the past few years leaving me to question if it's practical in use or even worth it as an investment. Do you personally see any value in it or foresee it increasing at all? or is it just a dud cryptocurrency that will never evolve?
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LSx Registered: 02/26/08 Posts: 12,086 |
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Thanks for the notice geo. I have a good chunk of money invested in several cryptocurrencies (btc, eth, xpr, xmr, ethclassic)
Im thinking about investing a couple k into this. Edited by sh4d0ws (05/09/17 01:56 AM)
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∙∙∙∙☼ º¿° ☼∙∙∙∙ Registered: 05/08/01 Posts: 23,417 Loc: city of angels Last seen: 6 hours, 24 minutes |
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Impressive continuation in the cryptocurrency trade, with Bitcoin and Ether hitting all time highs. Moves last month by the Japanese government allowing retailers to legally accept bitcoin has boosted trading volume between BTC and the Japanese Yen, which now accounts for 40%+ of total trading volume in the cryptocurrency. The Russian government, initially opposed to Bitcoin, is now looking at ways of regulating it for accepted legal transactions as soon as next year. Continued media coverage, political turmoil and a push to offer cryptocurrencies in SEC sanctioned Exchange Traded Funds is also contributing to demand for these issues. The Tezos crowdfunding campaign, origially slated to begin today, has been delayed due to regulatory delays in Switzerland, which is where the Tezos Foundation is set to operate: Quote: On an interesting ancillary and personally exciting note, the rapid rise in bitcoin may allow those who were burned by the Mt. Gox (original BTC exchange) bankruptcy in 2014, to recoup their loss and possibly even come out ahead. The practical realist in me has kept my mouth shut on this for the most part, but having lost a five-figure sum in the fallout, it is something that I've kept an eye on and held in the back of my mind over the years. By current estimates, if the value of bitcoin can get up to ~$2900, the bankrupt Mt. Gox estate can liquidate its assets to pay all accepted creditor claims. Creditor claim value was determined by a ~US$450 bitcoin exchange rate and then converted to Japanese Yen. As my account was almost entirely BTC, the current value of the BTC that was accepted as my claim is worth north of $80K, but alas, my frozen-in-time converted Yen claim value is worth around $17K. I'm sure any payout will end up closer to the later figure. Nevertheless, with bitcoin pushing $2200 right now, what once seemed like lost money may very well turn into found fortune. I have remained skeptical, as there are ongoing lawsuits and fees associated with the bankruptcy proceedings that can quickly eat into creditor payouts, but the fact that hedge funds are now offering to buy out creditors claims in hopes for a windfall payout gives me hope. For anyone else who holds a confirmed claim against Mt. Gox, if you're interested in receiving an offer from a hedge fund for a quick payout (word is that it will be around 15% of your account value), you can seek such offers via http://www.mygoxclaim.com. I emailed for an offer today and will report back, but frankly, unless the offer is exceedingly attractive, I will opt to wait for the final payout even if it will take years longer to procure (and run the risk of never manifesting at all).
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∙∙∙∙☼ º¿° ☼∙∙∙∙ Registered: 05/08/01 Posts: 23,417 Loc: city of angels Last seen: 6 hours, 24 minutes |
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I am not a big fan of the privacy differentiation factor that monero offers, mostly because it is not that difficult for those who wish to use bitcoin (or other cryptocurrencies) privately, to do so. It takes some extra effort with respect to how your coins are procured, how you store them and how you spend them, but for the ultra paranoid, one can definitely use bitcoins in a manner that is practically and personally untraceable. This would be done through the use of LocalBitcoins.com for purchasing coin, tumbling your coins through various wallets (or using a tumbling service through TOR) and making sure any receipts and purchases you make are from one-time-use-only wallets.
Nice to note that bitcoin and ether are pushing through all time highs today. My portfolio of cryptocurrency has more than doubled since I started this post. ![]() That's pretty remarkable.
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LSx Registered: 02/26/08 Posts: 12,086 |
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Bitcoin is proven reliable and is decentralized. No one owns it, and no one can steal my bitcoins that are on a private encrypted wallet that is not stored on any computers. Certainly bitcoins price could crash and I accept that as an investor, maybe one day it will be worth $0. I don't really know, but I highly doubt that will happen anytime soon.
Digital currency is just the future. That's all.
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∙∙∙∙☼ º¿° ☼∙∙∙∙ Registered: 05/08/01 Posts: 23,417 Loc: city of angels Last seen: 6 hours, 24 minutes |
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Interesting note that Ether (ETH) has completed a full 50% retracement from its June 12th highs at ~$412 to a low of ~$204 this morning. A significant lack of confidence hit the market for ETH after the GDAX exchange (operated by Coinbase) experienced a flash crash, triggering a litany of margin calls and stop loss orders that by some accounts cratered all the way down to $0.10/ETH about a week ago. Coinbase ended up refunding some of the automated orders, but has subsequently experienced recurring issues/delays with buy/sell orders for Ether.
For anyone interested in beginning to build a position, I believe that this retracement presents an opportunity to do so at a reasonable price level. From a strictly technical perspective, I could see another leg down to around ~$160, but I would be surprised if it dips that low unless there are continued issues buying/selling the cryptocurrency that indicate fundamental problems with the way the instrument is structured extending beyond the GDAX exchange itself.
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Enlil's Official Story Registered: 10/31/04 Posts: 21,407 Loc: Building 7 |
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Am I nuts or what?
Wow I won't answer that as instructed. You clearly are into these digital currencies. We should price them all at 123.47 like the Naz hacked stocks today. -------------------- Anxiety is what you make it.
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∙∙∙∙☼ º¿° ☼∙∙∙∙ Registered: 05/08/01 Posts: 23,417 Loc: city of angels Last seen: 6 hours, 24 minutes |
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There ya go with that moon shot again.
Honestly, when I look at the chart as it stands today, I could make a case that it's pretty much gone to the moon already. This is a weekly view, put it on a monthly view and it appears even more parabolic. One small piece of wisdom I have learned throughout my experience in the markets is that pretty much everyone looks like a genius when the market is strong. Crypto has been unbelievably strong, so anyone with skin in the game is making amazing returns. But if history is any guide, it won't always be that way. It is only during the hard times in the market that one may differentiate good traders from bad, and we haven't really had hard times in crypto since Mt Gox went bankrupt in 2014 (I even have a claim for nearly 40 btc from that whole fiasco). While I do believe we will see higher prices for this asset class, there is always an ebb and flow, and the moves of the past few months (especially the last couple of weeks) have been so huge that there is bound to be a reversion to the mean. Take it for what it's worth, and try not to play "all in vs all out", scale in and out incrementally, trading around a core position. Sell a bit when everything looks like it will never stop going higher, buy it back when people start to panic in a selloff. Do I honestly believe we will see $2900/btc again? Doesn't seem far off to me, particularly if we view it through the lens of history:
That is some incredible volatility ... and we've spiked 121% in the last month alone. My target buy point of $2900 is 27.5% below today's high. Given how frequently we've seen 30%+ selloffs over the past year, it definitely appears to be within the realm of possibility, and (hopefully) a good trade.
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∙∙∙∙☼ º¿° ☼∙∙∙∙ Registered: 05/08/01 Posts: 23,417 Loc: city of angels Last seen: 6 hours, 24 minutes |
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Quote: True enough, which is why I mitigated such a risk by selling only a minority of my total holdings at this level. If the price continues to rise, I will still be benefitting. If the price falls and builds a base above $2900, I will consider that a new support level and if the price breaks out from that base, I will likely put what I sold today back to work at whatever level that turns out to be. The numbers I work with are not absolute, I'm only mentioning where my levels are right here, right now, given the current data set. Levels are always subject to change as the developing price action warrants. BTC is in fact breaking through $4,000 on Kraken as I'm writing this, and if I were actively trading, this would be a short-term buy signal for me without a doubt (I'm obviously not the only one who feels this way, as the price just spiked up to $4,150 during the writing of this sentence). However, due to the relative lack of liquidity and slow trade execution in BTC, I will stick with my plan to book some profits and wait for selling pressure to present itself, and subsequently stabilize, before putting those funds back to work. Quote: I want to play devil's advocate for the purpose of allowing my own theory and discipline to evolve. On that, I would contend that BTC does have unknown risk factors that could affect it similarly to how sudden major liability or mismanagement can negatively impact a publicly traded stock. Such "black swan" events could be vulnerabilities that are as yet uncovered in the BTC protocol, or one that could be inadvertently introduced during the impending Segwit2x improvement proposal (or any future improvement proposal or lack of necessary improvement proposal altogether). Governance conflicts such as those that led to the BCH fork could become more pervasive and undermine confidence by dividing the miners to a greater extent. A malicious group of miners and nodes could consolidate power to achieve 51%+ of the network hashrate, and thus the ability to nefariously manipulate the blockchain. A more efficient and/or robust cryptocurrency could surpass bitcoin's market capitalization and become the dominant player in the space, at the expense of bitcoin. Now of course, these scenarios are low probability and bitcoin has proven resilient thus far, which is one of the reasons big money is starting to pay attention to it. But to believe that bitcoin is an asset class that carries no risk is folly, as there is always risk even if it may not be clearly understood or anticipated. I again reiterate that I believe the future of crypto is very bright, and that this is indeed an exciting time to be involved. I also encourage anyone with discretionary assets available, to absolutely diversify into some bitcoin and ether. It is viable technology, although there are many players coming onto the scene everyday, so remember that this is still a largely speculative investment period. Ultimately, there will need to be more widespread adoption (i.e. real world functional business use) to sustain and grow the current market capitalization of the cryptocurrency space. For what it's worth, I do think that will happen.
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∙∙∙∙☼ º¿° ☼∙∙∙∙ Registered: 05/08/01 Posts: 23,417 Loc: city of angels Last seen: 6 hours, 24 minutes |
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I have my bids in for BTC, but I'm finding my time better spent on stocks today. Had liquidated my entire trading portfolio earlier in the week and ripped on some SPY puts and UVXY calls and common, which have also been liquidated as of this writing. Suspecting the market has farther to fall, as this is the second probe through the S&P's 50 day moving average inside of two weeks, which is fairly ominous, but I don't want to carry large exposure overnight.
Back on topic, CNBC published a fascinating interview with one of PayPal's early officers regarding blockchain technology that I came across this morning... Quote:
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Quote: I tried to buy a bitcoin at $400 but I was too lazy to figure it out. ![]()
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∙∙∙∙☼ º¿° ☼∙∙∙∙ Registered: 05/08/01 Posts: 23,417 Loc: city of angels Last seen: 6 hours, 24 minutes |
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Quote: For trading and finding entries, I will check https://coinmarketcap.com/all/vi Here's a great charting website you can use without being an exchange member (it's actually the one Kraken is incorporating in the launch of their new platform within the coming days): https://cryptowat.ch/ https://icostats.com/ is an intriguing website to check out from time to time as well, in efforts to get an idea of which projects are attracting additional interest beyond their initial hype. Quote: This dynamic is well understood, and one of the reasons I believe issues like ADA and XRP are getting bid up. If these low nominal value coins find their way onto Coinbase, it seems likely that crypto no0bs will want to soak them up. For those with a more discerning palate, who wish to become informed investors, it is worthwhile to compare the aggregate supply of an issue to the nominal unit price of the issue you are interested in, to get an idea of its relative value as well as its potential future gains. Let's take Cardano (ADA) as an example... The Cardano project leaders are awesome, one of the original founders and initial CEO of Ethereum, Charles Hoskinson, and another influential early Ethereum dev Jeremy Wood, with a concentration of project dev's from major research institutions around the world. The suggestion has been made that Bitcoin could be considered blockchain version 1.0, Ethereum as 2.0, and the goal for Cardano being v3.0; Focusing on scalability, interoperability with side chains, treasury systems and on-chain governance. If this team keeps their heads down and can deliver solutions to these problems, it's not difficult to imagine them becoming the dominant blockchain platform. So what does that mean for the potential price appreciation of their coin? In this case, the float on the ADA coin is huge. 26 billion circulating with up to 45 billion max supply (these numbers are available for almost every coin on CoinMarketCap). So, you can't really expect it to get anywhere near the nominal $-value of something like Bitcoin, the current market leader, which has a max supply of 21 million. With some simple math [(21,000,000/45,000,000,000)*$17
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∙∙∙∙☼ º¿° ☼∙∙∙∙ Registered: 05/08/01 Posts: 23,417 Loc: city of angels Last seen: 6 hours, 24 minutes |
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Quote: The crypto sector is obviously getting a lot of mainstream attention right now, which is leading to incredible positive momentum. This is a scenario that lends itself to taking both a long term and a short-term view. Surely, the reason this space is gaining so much attention is because it is a new technological paradigm that clearly works to solve some important problems pertaining to trust/counterparty risk, efficiency as well as regulatory manipulation (with thousands of potential follow-on benefits). For this reason, I think it makes sense to take a long-term approach on at least a part of your investments. I'm not saying that it's right to expect the type of return we've seen from BTC, but there are a lot of neat projects out there that have and could see some serious growth. Of course, the whole shithouse could go up in smoke, but if this sector does disrupt the traditional financial ecosystem that our governments around the globe have relied on for the entirety of our modern history as a human society, this could rightfully be considered early innings. That said, there are still opportunities for short term trades as well (some of the methods which I touched on in my previous post). To people who ask me how much to buy, or when they should sell, I always tell them that they need to answer two questions.
You have to manage your risk, which can be done by:
If you're buying something too far away from your "I'm Wrong" level, that's where position sizing becomes most important. By appropriately sizing position and setting your "I'm Wrong" sell stop, you will know with a good degree of confidence what you are risking in real dollar terms on your trade, and you will be comfortable with that risk. Hint: If you aren't comfortable with that risk, buy less or set your bid lower in hopes that it gets hit at a later time once the market froth has settled down. There are of course instances where you don't need to set a sell stop. If you know with 100% certainty that you have a very long time horizon because you want exposure to the asset over a course of years, not months or weeks, and you also don't invest more than you are comfortable losing, then you can safely ride the swings without breaking a sweat, even if it goes all the way to $0. I kept my bitcoin off exchange for years, not only because of the memory of Mt Gox, but because I didn't want to be tempted to panic sell. I had a multi-year time horizon. Now with all the neat alts popping up, I have moved my BTC to exchanges in order to diversify.
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Howdy Registered: 05/15/14 Posts: 6,945 Loc: United States |
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Financial firms try to shit on bitcoin/cryptos every chance they get.
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"No-Such-Person" Registered: 07/09/16 Posts: 10,698 Last seen: 6 months, 10 days |
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Lol.
It's funny to me that people think crypto will crash. Then don't invest ![]() I'm not recommending invest all your money, only invest what you're willing to lose. But as far as technology goes and application, i believe it is no doubt the future of global money exchange and business, the volatility is because the market is just launching. As things progress it should calm down. Possibly over the next year or longer. Companies are going to want to jump on board with this technology as soon as they understand how it will benefit them. When that happens, the coins that get chosen will be worth more. That's all there is to it... Especially if the company that uses the technology buys a bunch of the coins in order to give the coin some balance. At least if you ask me.. The only thing I am concerned about is the potential for the government to jump in and change things, but inevitably they will be unable to stop this technology. As I said, digital decentralized currency is the future, imo. I'm with you asante, the more information we exchange and share with each other on possible negative outcomes, the better we all are in saving ourselves if things do take a nose dive, i have no fear of that myself and don't even plan on paying attention to current news that much to be honest. My advice to anyone who is considering investing, an investment is something you do when you have confidence in the potentiality of your investments future. I guess unless you're a day trader. But do some research on where you plan to invest. Look at who is running the show, what they are trying to do, and who they have been talking to and working with. As mentioned, some alt coins are being hyped up about potentiality for a bright future, XRP is one of them. Their developer, who you may want to do a little research on, actually moved to XLM and made his own coin. I believe both coins have a lot of potential myself. The main coins, bitcoin, etherum, litecoin, these are going to be around for a while... I believe they will all grow in overall value over the next year or two within the volatility we see. https://coinmarketcap.com/ Thats not a bad place imo to get some info on cryptos.
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Howdy Registered: 05/15/14 Posts: 6,945 Loc: United States |
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I agree, I think it's currently one of, if not the best crypto that's currently around.
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Railyard Ghost Registered: 09/23/14 Posts: 1,827 Loc: MT-Hell |
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2018 gone be wild, if SALT lending make it its gone be crazy.
Using salt as colateral for loan and re invest in crypto, repay your loan and go on. ALOT of money will flow in, since people will have acess to more money But that only if it works, lending being one of the most regulated market in the world. Risky but i bought sub 3 got my fingers crossed on this one. Cant wait to have my first crypto loan
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*alternate opinion blocks path* Registered: 06/02/09 Posts: 24,778 Loc: Soviet Canukista |
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It partnered with over 100 financial institutions.
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Shroomery Secret Service Registered: 04/22/02 Posts: 20,529 Loc: PuppetMasterFlash Last seen: 3 hours, 44 minutes |
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https://oracletimes.com/amazon-r
3 Reasons Why Amazon Will Choose Ripple (XRP) in 2018 By Michael LaVere - December 17, 2017146703 19 Share on Facebook Tweet on Twitter Ripple XRP Amazon 2018 Ripple (XRP)–Ripple has established itself as one of the primary cryptocurrencies to shape the future of digital commerce. Following on the heels of the creation of a 100 million USD hedge fund in XRP and the official lockup of 55 billion XRP in escrow, Ripple saw a 200% surge in price to 0.75 USD levels. Now, with the backing of banks and other financial institutions, Ripple looks to make a strong case as the cryptocurrency of choice for an internet commerce giant like Amazon. Here are three reasons why Ripple is the best choice for Amazon to move into the cryptocurrency marketplace: Fast Transaction Times, Low Costs Overstock.com has made a fortune off of the deflationary gains of Bitcoin over the last several years. But those gains are minuscule compared to what a company as large as Amazon really needs in a digital currency: stability. We saw evidence of this when Steam, a popular gaming company that had been accepting BTC since April 2016, discontinued its use for payment despite the coin setting record all-time highs in value (although Litecoin has emerged as a possible replacement). Companies like Amazon are not average-joe traders looking to grow their investment money. A sweeping change as large as the one required to start accepting crypto (and it would be a massive statement given the current regulatory delay by most fiat governments), requires stability. Steam gave up on Bitcoin because of high fees and high volatility. Like Overstock, Steam has likely made significant gains with the 2,000+% increase in BTC value in 2017 alone. But the failure by the Bitcoin community to address the primary barriers to being used as a currency–speed and transaction costs–has created an atmosphere of mistrust by the very companies needed to grow mainstream crypto adoption. Ripple offers a solution to Bitcoin. To begin, transaction times are below 10 seconds (and dropping), and the standard applied fee is .00001 XRP. Even if Ripple were to reach the bullish price point of $10 per coin, that equates to a fee of 1/100th a penny for every transaction. With fees that low, coupled with the lightning fast speed of transactions, companies are finally presented with a coin that delivers upon the original promises of Bitcoin and commerce-based cryptocurrencies. High Supply = Lower Volatility Ripple also addresses the second issue presented by Steam in their discontinuation of BTC: lower volatility. Most newcomers to crypto are invigorated by the limited supply of Bitcoin. Only 21 million will ever be mined. The end result is that each coin not only feels scarce, but special to the particular owner fortunate enough to have 1 BTC or more. Ripple has a max supply of 100 billion XRP, with 55 billion of that held in escrow by the parent company. That’s over 4700 times the supply of Bitcoin that will ever be created. While the higher supply necessitates a much lower price-per-coin of XRP than what we see in the current valuation of Bitcoin, it also offers lower volatility long-term. The price of Ripple, and crypto across the board, will continue to rise over the coming year as the general public and large investors bring more money to the table. But when those prices stabilize, the large coin supply of Ripple will lead to lower volatility. It takes a lot to move a market of 100 billion coins. Think about the US dollar. We don’t see massive fluctuations in USD just because investors in China, or around the world, decide to exchange foreign fiat. While 100 billion XRP is a drop in the bucket compared to the trillions of USD in circulation, Ripple is also not likely to see the same level of adoption as the US dollar. Think of it another way: an 18 year old sitting on a hard drive of 1000 mined BTC from 2013 can drastically change the price of Bitcoin for a day or longer. Imagine the pandemonium for Amazon if their crypto price point fluctuated drastically from the time a person puts an item in their cart to the point of check-out. It hurts their ability to effectively match prices and it’s confusing to the customer. Amazon has no control over what the markets will dictate, but they must be wary of whales sitting on mountains of BTC that could sink or raise the price point at will. Ripple is not immune to price changes or early-investors holding a disproportionate share of the currency, but its large supply does provide a buffer to individual sell-offs. The slow creep of XRP to 0.75 USD has been relatively mild compared to the typical price surge most cryptocurrencies experience. Once Ripple hits Coinbase and reaches greater market saturation, the price will level off relative to most fiat currencies. Lower Price Per Coin is Customer Friendly Again, Ripple’s high coin supply and subsequent lower price-per-coin will come in handy for creating a user-friendly market. As anyone who has read The Everything Store or followed closely to Jeff Bezos’s method of conducting business will know, Amazon is all about the customer. Cryptocurrency will never find a place on Amazon’s market if it can’t prove to be beneficial to the customer experience. Price volatility and slow transaction times are antithetical to this mantra. But Ripple offers an alternative. We have established the superior transaction costs and speed of the network. Now we have to consider presentation to the public. What’s easier for a layperson to understand: a price in .0005 BTC (or 50,000 satoshis), or 5 XRP? The crypto-enthusiast or economist can see past this veil (BTC to XRP pricing is no different than saying an apple is an apple in whatever language you speak), but it makes a difference to the consumer. Everyone in crypto who wants to see their currency takeoff should be thinking about the general public: How can we make widespread adoption as smooth and simple as possible? Services such as Changelly, which allow a customer to pay in their crypto of choice and then exchange it for the seller’s preference, makes the changing landscape of Bitcoin and altcoins a moot point. What Amazon needs is a native currency to conduct their operations, something that is stable, ubiquitous in supply and immune from the volatility of the current crypto market. Ripple offers all three, or at least gives the most assurance it will exhibit those principles in the near future. Ripple is Already the Coin of Choice for Business Hedge funds, banks and American Express have all signed on as significant supporters in the future of XRP and Ripple technology. Ripple has created something that few other cryptos have managed to this point: a currency that pre-existing businesses are not only willing to use, but will benefit from doing so. Amazon is likely one of the big customers to take this step in 2018. A commerce giant such as the Everything Store is in desperate need of a coin that offers fast transaction times without the crippling fees of Bitcoin’s current network. Ripple offers a solution to those problems, while also presenting a coin that is being backed by the financial institution. While it’s hard to tell what direction Amazon will take with respect to cryptocurrency, Ripple seems the most logical choice at this time and going forward. Look for a huge jump in XRP price if that were to occur. -------------------- Nothing says love like grannies prolapsed anus! quote]Urb said: I know... Its fucked up... Ill fix it minyana..[/quote]
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Howdy Registered: 05/15/14 Posts: 6,945 Loc: United States |
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This is just another wave of god knows how many that came before it. It'll go down again with time and go back up again, this is literally not even close to being new. If a drop like yesterday doesn't happen again before January I wouldn't expect it and it'll probably be hard to time when it'll happen again even though corrections and pullbacks on a smaller scale will happen continuously.
A lot of people cash out before the dips and cash in during them, happens with every crypto but yesterday in particular was basically just a giant bargain sale across the whole market. I didn't get to cash out before the dip but I was able to swap around some alts and throw money in again for the first time since I initially invested because of it ![]() It will definitely happen again, always does but at the same time it's good for the market in general.
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