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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24853040 - 12/18/17 04:37 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I just made 3k on GRS. HAHAHAHAHA. Thats like a months wage for most people.





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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Asante]
    #24854783 - 12/18/17 09:15 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I looked into mining in 2012, but it was overwhelming. I'd like to try again is there anything worth mining at home with a 3K investment in hardware?


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Middleman]
    #24854787 - 12/18/17 09:17 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

You need at least 30k to make it worthwhile. 3k will get you 250 a month at best.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #24854822 - 12/18/17 09:31 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

In the midst of the tremendous rally across nearly the entire crypto asset class that we have been fortunate to bear witness to over the course of the past month and especially this past week, I think it is a worthwhile endeavor to temper some of the unbridled enthusiasm that big gains may create, with a dose of skepticism and critical thought.  It's a long read, but inclusive of viewpoints that any crypto enthusiast should be appraised of...

  • The Bear Case for Crypto

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    I just think that ICOs are to the future of networks/investment what the Railway Mania was to the Industrial Revolution: a vast misallocation of capital arising from misapprehending the true utility of revolutionary technology and misapplying that technology to contemporary problems.

    The ICO boom shows us two things.

    First, that there is, in a NIRP world, enormous demand for higher-risk, higher-yield investment.

    Second, it has shown us that blockchains (Bitcoin and Ethereum included) are extremely reliable distributed state machines that keep on ticking despite being subjected to an almost unbelievable amount of abuse and almost no active human management and oversight.

    A ground-up, tech-driven reimagining of contracts, money and legally legitimate financial services is desperately needed and long overdue. My bet is that ICOs and speculative cryptocurrencies, as we encounter them in the wild today, will only be a small part of that.

    The future application of these technologies – the persistent 100x, 1000x gains that change the way people live – will not come from shilling coins on Facebook. Rather it will come by combining the two truths about Bitcoin and systems like it to create new institutions and new products that comply with the law but operate automatically and extremely efficiently. Companies like the Coinbases and the Blockchain.infos will provide the UX and licensing; companies like Tendermint or Monax will provide the back-ends for this next-generation infrastructure.

    The ICO bubble and its promise of cheap, quick gains is rightly the focus of attention for most folks at the moment. It is the promise of the greatest gains in the shortest time with the least effort. That bubble needs to pop before we can get down to business with the utility-driven applications of this technology. And pop it will, as surely as the sun rises in the morning.




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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #24855113 - 12/19/17 02:00 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Good to see a voice of reason.

The reality is there is little support, value, utility or future for these currencies. This is the first wave, and a bubble of historical significance. Text book.

Smart money is looking to understand how this tech can be used to start the next PayPal.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #24855127 - 12/19/17 02:16 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

this article is literally my exact fears that kept me out of crypto this entire time.  What I'd like to see is a shroomery breakdown of some various cryptos that have actual good long term potential and real world benefit possibility.  So much fucking hype in every circle I visit trying to find information its hard to tell who's a zealot and who's just  jealous and who actually has information thats trustworthy, and I say this as someone who's career is IN computer technology at a senior level, so I can't even imagine the clusterfuck non-tech people have to deal with.  Or the amount of blind trust they just shove out.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: mndfreeze]
    #24855136 - 12/19/17 02:23 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Ripple's being adopted by several banks in an international capacity. Bitcoin ATM's already exist in large numbers. Both Canada and the US are in complete support of them, with Canada even minting its own personal coin. You can buy vehicles, clothes, homes, and whatever else your little heart desires directly with a number of different cryptos already. Companies designing cards to be used debit style with Crypto's have already partnered with companies like Visa. The revolution is here. You can hop on now or you can die full of regret decades from now.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24855140 - 12/19/17 02:28 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24855149 - 12/19/17 02:35 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I've already bought some coins, I'm merely talking about the giant blow up going on right now and the complete shit show of valid information and data to back it up.  I work for a world wide bank so its nice to hear some cryptos are actually set up to move into that space based on actual deals, not just their prospective hope and beta tests. 

As for bitcoin, yeah I know that one is here to stay.  It has been for a while now.  I think even if we see a large bubble burst and shit start to fail it will probably survive if anything just because it was the first to exist as well as start getting adopted by the world in a real world form.  Now if its prices stay anything like they are now I'm not sure that will happen, but with the infrastructure and plans already being put in place it would at least stable out somewhere. 

Which cryptos have partnered with Visa?


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: mndfreeze]
    #24855153 - 12/19/17 02:46 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Monaco and TenX. Neo and a couple other are partnered with China's government. Theres a couple teaming up with Japans. You might be off put by the sudden influx of money but its not a short term thing in my eyes. In comparison to gold which totals 6 trillion in stored value cryptos are still a thin fart in the wind. Once it starts reaching that level in total market value is when I would start to get worried.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #24855176 - 12/19/17 03:14 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

There's definitely going to be a Next New Thing that will make Big Money suddenly withdraw from cryptos causing a breathtaking pullback.

I don't nearly think we are there though and after big money has gone, people still want to buy stuff with cryptos, such as deep web stuff (BTC), game (VOX), social media (RDD) or artist community (ABY) tokens or to buy functionality in a network (STRAT) so the coins will be around as smaller taters after the crash.

Let us ALL be utterly vigilant and chime each other the fuck in if we see potential warning signs of this crash being imminent so that we can be mostly out before it goes down.

Lets be our own Tsumami Warning System for our lil network of crypto investors.




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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Asante] * 2
    #24855357 - 12/19/17 07:56 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Lol.

It's funny to me that people think crypto will crash. Then don't invest :shrug:

I'm not recommending invest all your money, only invest what you're willing to lose.

But as far as technology goes and application, i believe it is no doubt the future of global money exchange and business, the volatility is because the market is just launching.

As things progress it should calm down. Possibly over the next year or longer.

Companies are going to want to jump on board with this technology as soon as they understand how it will benefit them.

When that happens, the coins that get chosen will be worth more. That's all there is to it... Especially if the company that uses the technology buys a bunch of the coins in order to give the coin some balance.

At least if you ask me..

The only thing I am concerned about is the potential for the government to jump in and change things, but inevitably they will be unable to stop this technology.

As I said, digital decentralized currency is the future, imo.

I'm with you asante, the more information we exchange and share with each other on possible negative outcomes, the better we all are in saving ourselves if things do take a nose dive, i have no fear of that myself and don't even plan on paying attention to current news that much to be honest.

My advice to anyone who is considering investing, an investment is something you do when you have confidence in the potentiality of your investments future.

I guess unless you're a day trader.

But do some research on where you plan to invest. Look at who is running the show, what they are trying to do, and who they have been talking to and working with.

As mentioned, some alt coins are being hyped up about potentiality for a bright future, XRP is one of them. Their developer, who you may want to do a little research on, actually moved to XLM and made his own coin. I believe both coins have a lot of potential myself.

The main coins, bitcoin, etherum, litecoin, these are going to be around for a while... I believe they will all grow in overall value over the next year or two within the volatility we see.

https://coinmarketcap.com/

Thats not a bad place imo to get some info on cryptos.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Asante]
    #24855372 - 12/19/17 08:04 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I finally bought 10,000 ada, we will see if it keeps going up. Bought 100 bnb the chinese coin. Decided not to go with stratis, doge, lite or more ether. Ripple looks like a pump and dump. I think ether will go up but not right now. I have my eye open for undervalued alts. Maybe I should just buy 100 of everything?

I keep thinking I will sell my bch before long but its done very well, up to 2300 now. If they get segwit going or some system to make btc transfer fast, btc will shoot up some more. Right now its down around just under 18k so its a buy opportunity still. I decided not to buy anymore iota for the time being.

The people preaching bubble are wrong. BTC will always be valuable because...  its btc. It has the name recognition and market share. Other alts are riding on its coat tails and will see pullbacks, a few may sink into obscurity.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24855394 - 12/19/17 08:23 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

ripple's success is dependent on if they land the deals with banks the way they hope to.

Definitely a risk, but if they do get some banks to use their coin in the coming 2018 it will become much more valuable.

2018 will be a huge year for crypto...


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: mndfreeze]
    #24855607 - 12/19/17 10:42 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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this article is literally my exact fears that kept me out of crypto this entire time.  What I'd like to see is a shroomery breakdown of some various cryptos that have actual good long term potential and real world benefit possibility.  So much fucking hype in every circle I visit trying to find information its hard to tell who's a zealot and who's just  jealous and who actually has information thats trustworthy, and I say this as someone who's career is IN computer technology at a senior level, so I can't even imagine the clusterfuck non-tech people have to deal with.  Or the amount of blind trust they just shove out.




There is without a doubt, a tremendous amount of froth in the crypto market at present.  That being said, it is a global market that can continue to benefit from a true paradigm shift in the way we manage trust of information and store of value.  As someone who began accumulating from significantly lower levels, I have a hard time committing new money to the space right here.  To paraphrase a comment you made in another post, there is a rising tide effect that is causing almost all issues in this space to defy gravity.  That is not a sustainable dynamic, and you are right to be cautious because of it.  Of course, you must balance the risk of buying the top with the risk of missing out on a continued frenzy (rational or otherwise) that pushes prices even higher.

The bottom line is that successful investing in any tradeable asset requires disciplined risk management, which is generally accomplished through a combination of position sizing and stop loss orders, as discussed here
You might also want to review this post for additional commentary regarding vetting your entries for shorter-term trades in the crypto space specifically.

To get to the meat of your inquiry, you can read a summary of my "Top 5" crypto issues from late November.  I still believe that all of the projects noted toward the bottom of that post maintain their potential for longevity, although many of them have been bid up significantly since that post was made only 19 days ago.  I would also add EOS to the list as a platform with a very dedicated, active team that has shown a disciplined fairness in the auction style distribution of their coin and is a front-running contender for offering innovative solutions to the scaling issues that inherently plague decentralized networks.

Lastly, somewhat off-topic, but interesting all the same, take a look at The World's Money Markets in One Visualization.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills] * 1
    #24855613 - 12/19/17 10:46 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

You're actually scared of volatility? :lmafo:


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24855629 - 12/19/17 10:57 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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You're actually scared of volatility? :lmafo:



I'm not sure if this question was intended to be directed toward me, but I will opine on the subject anyway.  For active traders who understand how to manage risk, volatility is a playground.  I love whipping around options on the the UVXY, a leveraged derivative that tracks movement on the VIX also known as the "volatilty index" which essentially tracks the premium that market participants are willing to pay for put options (downside protection) on the major indices.  But for the average person out there, who may not have a tremendous lot of disposal income, or who simply isn't well versed in the ways of the markets, volatility can result in an emotional trainwreck that causes one to make undisciplined decisions, typically buying when they should be selling, and selling when they should be buying.

Emotional management is one of the most difficult obstacles I have had to surmount in my trading career (and I still fail from time to time), as we are literally wired to buy and sell at the wrong times.  When you watch your account balance falling, it is easy to forget your trading plan or the fundamental reasons you may have invested in something, and instead move into a panic of capital preservation, only to note that you sold when you reached your maximum emotional pain tolerance, and that is often right around the time the issue turns around and starts to spike higher.  One traders max pain threshold is often similar to another's, which is why big downward spikes tend to happen very quickly and on very high volume.  The same thing happens when you see something that has appreciated tremendously in value (as we are seeing in the crypto space today).  You've been watching something for an entry but it just keeps climbing, your emotions reach a fever pitch when it jumps that last 10% on huge volume and the fear of missing out results in you making an undisciplined or reckless entry under the false assumption that because something has gone up so much, it just has to keep going.  Another instance of maximum emotional pain leading to irrational behavior.  Just because you bought in, does not entitle you to the gains that have been born before your entry, and more often than not, chasing an issue in this manner will result in regret.

Volatility in and of itself is a part of markets that results from human emotions driving investment behavior (including the human constructs that are ultimately programmed into machine algorithms).  Too much volatility, and risk management becomes considerably more difficult, as you need to widen your stop loss levels or risk getting clipped prematurely out of your trade.  Most people, and if I'm being honest myself included, would prefer a stable asset that appreciates in value in a predictable manner.  Unfortunately that is a recipe that is hard to come by, and thus as investors we must learn to deal with volatility, even if we don't like it.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #24855654 - 12/19/17 11:15 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

"the time to buy is when there's blood in the streets."


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24855664 - 12/19/17 11:23 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I finally bought 10,000 ada, we will see if it keeps going up. Bought 100 bnb the chinese coin. Decided not to go with stratis, doge, lite or more ether. Ripple looks like a pump and dump. I think ether will go up but not right now. I have my eye open for undervalued alts. Maybe I should just buy 100 of everything?

I keep thinking I will sell my bch before long but its done very well, up to 2300 now. If they get segwit going or some system to make btc transfer fast, btc will shoot up some more. Right now its down around just under 18k so its a buy opportunity still. I decided not to buy anymore iota for the time being.

The people preaching bubble are wrong. BTC will always be valuable because...  its btc. It has the name recognition and market share. Other alts are riding on its coat tails and will see pullbacks, a few may sink into obscurity.



What do you think of ZEC?  https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/zcash/

Ive done some reading on it and it seems very promising. To the moon...


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24855671 - 12/19/17 11:25 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I picked up 1000 verge xvg, paid a whopping $70 or so, lol. I think asante is right about getting into many small ones with potential. I may go back and pick up a few thousand more. Of course you have to do your homework and not buy some ripoff coin already premined to death. You also have to have an idea when you will get out whether a certain price or market conditions. If overall the crypto market is having a down turn or has been flat a while and gradually declining it might be a good idea to prune out the short term gains and concentrate on likely long term winners.

I decided against neo, just did not feel right about it. I'm kind of a seat of the pants investor, I look at charts, who is behind it and so on but decide based on gut. My gut was right about btc, the only time I went wrong was going against that and cashing in. Luckily I jumped back on the gravy train again.

I think what has helped me the most is staying with winners. A losing investor will often say I made money on xyz, but abc is at an all time low so sell the xyz and put it into abc in case it goes up. That may work but in the long run winners will keep winning and losers keep losing. Just imo.


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