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Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects 5
#24304820 - 05/08/17 02:04 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cryptocurrency: Digital currency in which encryption techniques are used to regulate the generation of units of currency and to verify the transfer of funds, with the unique attribute of decentralized operation, thus independent of central bank interference. Most of us have heard of Bitcoin, the first player on the scene to use blockchain technology (a digital ledger in which transactions are recorded chronologically and publicly), and have witnessed its meteoric rise in value as it proved itself a viable medium of exchange, attracting the attention of venture capitalists and regulatory authorities. Launched in 2009 with with practically no value, each Bitcoin (BTC) is today worth around US$1660 and the entire market capitalization of bitcoin is north of $27 billion.

Many follow-on cryptocurrencies have been created, but it wasn't until Ethereum debuted in the summer of 2015 that a major step in the evolution of cryptocurrency took place with the integration of smart contracts onto the blockchain. Smart contracts introduced in the Ethereum network are autonomous decentralized applications (scripts) that can be stored on the blockchain and used to facilitate, verify and enforce the negotiation or performance of economically-laden procedural instructions. Since the contracts become publicly available on the blockchain, they are thus capable of circumventing censorship, collusion and counterparty risk. The instructions embedded in Ethereum contracts are paid for in Ether (ETH), which is the effective cryptocurrency of the Ethereum network.
Corporate giants such as Microsoft, JPMorgan Chase, BNY Mellon, CME Group, Credit Suisse, ING, Intel, UBS, and BP (amongst several others) have setup the non-profit Enterprise Ethereum Alliance, investing millions to create a standard version of the Ethereum software that businesses around the world can use to track data and financial contracts. This has lent further credibility to the evolution of the technology and caused the price of Ether to soar, with a market capitalization of over $8 billion.

Enter Tezos, the next intended evolutionary step in blockchain technology. While Ethereum took a significant step forward by incorporating customizable smart contract functionality into its blockchain, there is still the fundamental challenge of governance, maintenance and security, as evidenced by the heated debate over how best to scale the bitcoin network as it grows, as well as the DAO hack that exploited the Ethereum network to the tune of around $50 million. The creators of Tezos argue that these challenges manifested themselves in situations that put too much power in the hands of core development teams or miners; in other words, first-generation blockchains have become subject to a form of centralization that their developers sought to avoid. Thus, during its three years of development, the Tezos team sought to address the need for decentralized innovation in protocol design and emphasized the importance of formal verification in its software design. The fundamental change to governance is as follows:
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While all blockchains offer financial incentives for maintaining consensus on their ledgers, no blockchain has a robust on-chain mechanism to seamlessly amend the rules governing its protocol and explicitly fund protocol development. As a result, first generation blockchains tend to empower, de facto, centralized core development teams or miners to formulate design choices.
Tezos takes a fundamentally different approach by creating governance rules for stakeholders to approve of protocol upgrades that are then automatically deployed on the network. When a developer proposes a protocol upgrade, they can attach an invoice to be paid out to their address upon approval and inclusion of their upgrade. This approach provides a strong incentive to contribute efforts towards core development of the Tezos blockchain and further decentralizes the maintenance of the network. It compensates developers with tokens that have immediate value rather than forcing them to seek corporate sponsorships, foundation salaries, or work for Internet fame alone.
Tezos instantiates new technical innovations but also enforces types of constitutionalism through the use of formal proofs to mathematically verify that key properties are upheld over time. By allowing stakeholders to coordinate on-chain, the network also allows for the creation of bounties to implement specific features or discover bugs. Collectively, the network maintains the decentralized aspect of blockchains while introducing a mechanism to enable collective decision making. Tezos tokens not only power smart contracts in the network, but also allow votes on protocol amendments. The initial Tezos rollout is simple by design, but its self-amending nature means that the rules governing the network can be improved over time.
To the point, while Tezos is as yet unproven, a considerable amount of thought and planning has been put into its development and it appears to offer the next step in the evolution of blockchain technology and its associated cryptocurrency. As I know many of us have participated in the use of or investment in various cryptocurrencies, I wanted to inform the crew here that there will be a crowd sale "initial coin offering" for Tezos beginning May 22nd, 2017. You can participate in the allocation of the genesis coins through contributions in BTC or ETH. There is no cap on the amount of contributions that will be accepted, in efforts to ensure that participation is not limited only to insiders, however there will be a small bonus given to the earliest adopters.
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: sh4d0ws] 2
#24340692 - 05/22/17 02:26 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Impressive continuation in the cryptocurrency trade, with Bitcoin and Ether hitting all time highs. Moves last month by the Japanese government allowing retailers to legally accept bitcoin has boosted trading volume between BTC and the Japanese Yen, which now accounts for 40%+ of total trading volume in the cryptocurrency. The Russian government, initially opposed to Bitcoin, is now looking at ways of regulating it for accepted legal transactions as soon as next year. Continued media coverage, political turmoil and a push to offer cryptocurrencies in SEC sanctioned Exchange Traded Funds is also contributing to demand for these issues.
The Tezos crowdfunding campaign, origially slated to begin today, has been delayed due to regulatory delays in Switzerland, which is where the Tezos Foundation is set to operate:Quote:
Tezos Fundraiser Delayed Until June
Dear potential Tezos contributors,
The Tezos Foundation has decided to delay the fundraiser previously scheduled for Monday, May 22, until some time in June. We want to share some background on what led to this decision:
For more than six months, Tezos' creators worked with legal experts to form a legal architecture for the Tezos Foundation and the global Tezos community that will stand the test of time. That architecture is now in place via the Tezos Foundation.
The Swiss authority that regulates and supervises all Swiss foundations is currently overwhelmed by demand. A key driver for that demand is that more cryptographic startups and ICOs are being launched here, in the Crypto Valley, than anywhere else in the world. This appeal stems from Switzerland's unique culture and politico-legal system which provides greater protection for individuals and their property than any other jurisdiction.
While the Foundation's legal advisors have stated that we could hold the fundraiser as planned, we have discussed this amongst our board and decided that, in the interest of the high prudential standards we hold ourselves to, we will not proceed until every i has been dotted and t has been crossed with the Swiss foundation supervisory authority. We will bring this level of care and forethought to everything it does, so the Tezos community always has peace of mind that things are being done right.
The Tezos Foundation is extremely pleased with the fantastic community that is starting to sprout around the Tezos project. The interest in the Tezos fundraiser has been electrifying. It is an amazing vote of confidence in decentralized governance and in the world class team developing the project. That interest has been matched by engineering development resulting in a testnet that has been operating for several months already and a production version that is expected to ship later this year.
Johann, Guido, Diego, and the Tezos Foundation team.
On an interesting ancillary and personally exciting note, the rapid rise in bitcoin may allow those who were burned by the Mt. Gox (original BTC exchange) bankruptcy in 2014, to recoup their loss and possibly even come out ahead. The practical realist in me has kept my mouth shut on this for the most part, but having lost a five-figure sum in the fallout, it is something that I've kept an eye on and held in the back of my mind over the years. By current estimates, if the value of bitcoin can get up to ~$2900, the bankrupt Mt. Gox estate can liquidate its assets to pay all accepted creditor claims. Creditor claim value was determined by a ~US$450 bitcoin exchange rate and then converted to Japanese Yen. As my account was almost entirely BTC, the current value of the BTC that was accepted as my claim is worth north of $80K, but alas, my frozen-in-time converted Yen claim value is worth around $17K. I'm sure any payout will end up closer to the later figure.
Nevertheless, with bitcoin pushing $2200 right now, what once seemed like lost money may very well turn into found fortune. I have remained skeptical, as there are ongoing lawsuits and fees associated with the bankruptcy proceedings that can quickly eat into creditor payouts, but the fact that hedge funds are now offering to buy out creditors claims in hopes for a windfall payout gives me hope. For anyone else who holds a confirmed claim against Mt. Gox, if you're interested in receiving an offer from a hedge fund for a quick payout (word is that it will be around 15% of your account value), you can seek such offers via http://www.mygoxclaim.com. I emailed for an offer today and will report back, but frankly, unless the offer is exceedingly attractive, I will opt to wait for the final payout even if it will take years longer to procure (and run the risk of never manifesting at all).
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: Stonehenge] 2
#24548703 - 08/12/17 05:01 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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There ya go with that moon shot again.
Honestly, when I look at the chart as it stands today, I could make a case that it's pretty much gone to the moon already. This is a weekly view, put it on a monthly view and it appears even more parabolic.

One small piece of wisdom I have learned throughout my experience in the markets is that pretty much everyone looks like a genius when the market is strong. Crypto has been unbelievably strong, so anyone with skin in the game is making amazing returns. But if history is any guide, it won't always be that way. It is only during the hard times in the market that one may differentiate good traders from bad, and we haven't really had hard times in crypto since Mt Gox went bankrupt in 2014 (I even have a claim for nearly 40 btc from that whole fiasco).
While I do believe we will see higher prices for this asset class, there is always an ebb and flow, and the moves of the past few months (especially the last couple of weeks) have been so huge that there is bound to be a reversion to the mean. Take it for what it's worth, and try not to play "all in vs all out", scale in and out incrementally, trading around a core position. Sell a bit when everything looks like it will never stop going higher, buy it back when people start to panic in a selloff.
Do I honestly believe we will see $2900/btc again? Doesn't seem far off to me, particularly if we view it through the lens of history:- 39% selloff between June > August 2016
- 35% selloff in January 2017
- 33% selloff in March 2017
- 39% selloff between June > July 2017
That is some incredible volatility ... and we've spiked 121% in the last month alone. My target buy point of $2900 is 27.5% below today's high. Given how frequently we've seen 30%+ selloffs over the past year, it definitely appears to be within the realm of possibility, and (hopefully) a good trade.
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: deadwk] 1
#24605183 - 09/05/17 08:42 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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thedeadwalkk said: Was wondering, what are you favourite trading indicators Geo? I've been mostly using Stochastic, with a weighted moving average and it seems to have been working quite well. Since I started using these new indicators, trading was on average 10-15% better.
Truth be told, I have never actively traded cryptocurrency, it has only served as a part of my long term asset allocation strategy. I was a relatively early adopter of bitcoin (initial purchases @ ~$300-$400) and ether (@ ~$11-$40). The first time I sold any, was very recently a good chunk of my BTC @ $3900 and $4350. I find the crypto market to lack the liquidity that makes me comfortable actively trading, as on any given exchange I track, the short-term volatility can be off the chart and the technology underpinning the exchanges fairly unreliable during times of high volume trade. If I don't feel confident that I can get into or out of a limit trade quickly (i.e. minimal spread and quick execution), active trading becomes too dangerous of a proposition for my capital. Thus, I haven't much experimented with using indicators to analyze the price action of various cryptocurrencies.
In my stock trading, my charts generally include the following:- 20/50/200 day simple moving averages + 200 day exponential moving average
- 8 period exponential moving average on intraday charts for short term analysis
- 2nd & 3rd standard deviation bollinger bands in any timeframe
- Volume Weighted Average Price on intraday charts
- Hand drawn trendlines in any timeframe
- MACD & ADX to help confirm potential pivots
- All charts displayed as OHLC
- Advance/Decline, Up-Volume/Down-Volume, & $TICK for intraday macro trend
In my experience, indicators are generally confirmatory rather than predictive. So for the most part, all the information you need is contained in a simple graph of the price action. The various studies and indicators are most useful in making what may be subtle (only noticed by the most trained eyes), more apparent. Thus, I do not place complete faith in any indicator, although I do use them as an aid to confirm whatever thesis I have built for any given position. I also believe that one of the most useful things to do is to regularly view any given price chart in various time frames, to best understand where short/intermediate/long term areas of support and resistance reside. An example of the typical 4 square chart layout I use when analyzing stocks, including all of the aforementioned indicators:
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: geokills]
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What is everyone's thought on the current state of alts? looking at charts, it seems like they may have bottomed out. starting to see tokens like waves/xlm/zec picking up volume and are about to, or already are, testing resistance on the 1D.
i'm entering into some new positions slowly, hoping for a BTC rally to cut 10-20% off alt prices. but am starting to get a bit impatient - wondering if the time to buy was a week or two ago. don't want to miss the train if the whole market rallies hard like it did in June.
seems like big moves are coming. the media attention is overwhelming - the greatest i've seen since i started back in early 2014. BTC is on CNBC all the time and it's only a matter of time until BTC hits 10k. 10k will have a big psychological impact on people who are waiting to jump in. people don't want to get left behind. investment firms will have to start trading crypto for their clients - more and more people are requesting this because of the "crazy gains" they hear of. if a firm doesn't do this, people interested in cryptos will take their money to a firm that will trade cryptos. this only applies to BTC right now - don't think institutions are legally able to trade anything else once the CME contract is available. but the industry is rapidly maturing and we'll see institutions able to better access the market.
i'll finish with this image. i think we're entering the media attention phase. the first sell off was the Dec 2013 bubble. look at the 1W BTC chart and you'll see this pattern. still room for this thing to keep bubbling, but always taking profits as this thing grows. i think we all agree 2017 was a great year for crypto - but i think 2018 will be yet another great year assuming fundamentals remain good.
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Asante]
#24849566 - 12/16/17 10:10 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Asante said YESTERDAY: A crypto nobody talks about - today I picked up a bit of Reddcoin (REDD), the social media penny crypto, in anticipation that in the coming days it will continue the climb its been on, after which I sell off enough to take my investment back and keep the remainder for longterm storage, cause I anticipate this one might make me proud in the future.
Reddcoin is basically a social media coin so when cryptos get more mainstream I expect a social media hype and sudden upswing. This is one that you can get at about 625 coins for a dollar now so there's no psychological barriers anywhere in sight if it does hype.
625 coins for a buck... Not something to go all out in, but for a token sum, I wouldnt miss out on it.
Yesterday I picked up Reddcoin (RDD) (basically a "social media coin") I picked up Crown (CRW) (Look into that one) and ArtByte (ABY) (an artists community currency).
I didnt mention the latter two here, but elsewhere I believe I did. These were intended as shortterm quick money grabs before the holidays 
Today the HO HO HO is starting to happen, have a look (Priced in Euro = $1.18, period = most recent 30 days & below ann outline of the year)



Look out SpaceX, Crown seems to chomp at the bit to go vertical. (just an impression tho)
If anyone especially Geokills sees something horribly wrong with these by all means let us learn!
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: HamHead]
#24849913 - 12/16/17 01:28 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry to be such a dick guys but, this is Your Brain on Crypto:

Any questions?
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
#24855176 - 12/19/17 03:14 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's definitely going to be a Next New Thing that will make Big Money suddenly withdraw from cryptos causing a breathtaking pullback.
I don't nearly think we are there though and after big money has gone, people still want to buy stuff with cryptos, such as deep web stuff (BTC), game (VOX), social media (RDD) or artist community (ABY) tokens or to buy functionality in a network (STRAT) so the coins will be around as smaller taters after the crash.
Let us ALL be utterly vigilant and chime each other the fuck in if we see potential warning signs of this crash being imminent so that we can be mostly out before it goes down.
Lets be our own Tsumami Warning System for our lil network of crypto investors.
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Stonehenge] 3
#24859903 - 12/21/17 11:32 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stonehenge said: bch is over 3600 a coin.
Cash out 1200 and get a 1oz gold lunar for 2018 The Year of the Dog, as a good luck charm and tangible asset out of this intangible market.
I'm serious.
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Stonehenge] 1
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: PumpJackTeX]
#24867196 - 12/25/17 07:17 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Charts should look similar to mine.
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Enkidu]
#24872759 - 12/28/17 05:47 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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ETH developed a classic head shoulder head on the 4hr chart. I expect ETH to be bearish for the next few days.
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: outofservice] 3
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills] 2
#24892233 - 01/05/18 04:20 PM (6 years, 23 days ago) |
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geokills said: I found my aggregate crypto portfolio since inception up over 5700%.
While members write a 12 paragraph support ticket about the offensiveness of the smiley for people with mania, Geokills parks his boat in his boat.
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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McGrimm said: Aaaaaaand . BTC Drops to below 11k . . just wow.
I bought in at 11.7 thinking it was a steal!!
Just hit $9035 on Binance 
BAIL! BAIL!

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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: Lophosaurus] 2
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Seen this on facebook
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: Lophosaurus] 1
#24921786 - 01/17/18 08:25 PM (6 years, 10 days ago) |
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I could be completely wrong about this, but based on my admittedly small amount of research related to bubbles, I feel like we are recently exiting the "return to normal" stage.

I've got major respect for the people who have the nerve to hodl through this, but I am personally almost totally cashed out and hoping for lower prices soon. 
Of course, it's also possible the price of BTC could sky rocket to 30k tomorrow. So I dunno
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: waves] 3
#24921851 - 01/17/18 08:49 PM (6 years, 10 days ago) |
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waves said: I could be completely wrong about this, but based on my admittedly small amount of research related to bubbles, I feel like we are recently exiting the "return to normal" stage.

I'm going to suggest that we're just starting the "media attention" part of the chart.
Take this fact into consideration. The total market value for all crypto coins combined is around $500 billion today, that's less than the market cap for Fackbook stock ($515 billion).
The point is that this sector will likely match gold which is around $7 trillion today or even surpass it.
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Re: Cryptocurrency Big Dogs: Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum (ETH) and Tezos (XTZ) [Re: qman]
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waves said: I could be completely wrong about this, but based on my admittedly small amount of research related to bubbles, I feel like we are recently exiting the "return to normal" stage.

I'm going to suggest that we're just starting the "media attention" part of the chart.
Take this fact into consideration. The total market value for all crypto coins combined is around $500 billion today, that's less than the market cap for Fackbook stock ($515 billion).
The point is that this sector will likely match gold which is around $7 trillion today or even surpass it.
You guys could absolutely be right. I could definitely miss out on some potential profits. It will probably only be a matter of days/weeks before I start buying back in. I kinda just want to see how the next few days/week plays out.
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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: memes]
#25024959 - 02/26/18 09:07 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Interestingly, a well funded payments startup, Circle, just purchased Poloniex, one of the top 20 crypto exchanges. Circle has venture backing from Goldman Sachs, and an unconfirmed internal slide regarding the purchase seems to indicate that they have fairly big plans in building out the platform for regulatory compliant mainstream use.
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