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 Cyrus19
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 Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany 
#24297830 - 05/05/17 03:12 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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It is well known that after Hitler came to power, he cracked down on homosexuality within the Third Reich. Ultimately, homosexuals suffered the same fate in the Holocaust as Jews did.
For this to occur however, homosexuality would have had to have been open in pre-Nazi Germany. If it was only behind closed doors, Hitler would have not needed to address it. That is interesting given the time period. Even here in America at that time, homosexuality was mostly illegal and gay people were still deep in the closet.
So was the pre-Hitler Weimar Republic a more open and accepting place for LGBT people?
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Cyrus19]  1
#24297845 - 05/05/17 03:21 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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There was a gay bar, Eldorado, in 1930s Berlin before the Nazis shut it down.
There was gay activit but on the downlow.
http://www.advocate.com/books/2016/7/19/peek-inside-berlins-queer-club-scene-hitler-destroyed-it
Even in Iran there are gay parties so, also in the Germany of old.
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Cyrus19]
#24297849 - 05/05/17 03:23 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't have any idea but if you think he "cracked down" by having them put in concentration camps and executing them then pre-Nazi Germany could have flogged them. That would have been "more accepting."
I highly doubt it was an openly gay society. Not that I think they were flogged, or even imprisoned.
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24297863 - 05/05/17 03:32 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hitler never existed outside of the TV. It was all an elaborate hoax to show the world that the USA was swinging the biggest dick at the table, and everyone else better fall in line lest that big dick swings their way and jizz a hydrogen bomb on their biggest cities.
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Asante]
#24297926 - 05/05/17 04:04 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Asante said:
There was a gay bar, Eldorado, in 1930s Berlin before the Nazis shut it down.
There was gay activit but on the downlow.
http://www.advocate.com/books/2016/7/19/peek-inside-berlins-queer-club-scene-hitler-destroyed-it
Even in Iran there are gay parties so, also in the Germany of old.
Thanks for that very interesting
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Cyrus19] 1
#24297988 - 05/05/17 04:36 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Germany was becoming somewhat decadent, or many people felt that it was during the 20s, so I think the gays would have had an easier time.
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Repertoire89]
#24298118 - 05/05/17 05:37 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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the leader of the SA was gay
he was hitlers friend and would often call him adi
the SA used to gun communist and socialist down in the street, when ever the cops were called they would beat them up at the bar
the president called on hitler to get them under control or he'd declare a state of treason
so hitler was afraid of the german military
he brought the ss to a hotel they were staying in, draged them out of their beds and executed them right there
when he brought Rohm back to Berlin, Rohm asked "if you want it done so bad why don't you do it yourself?"
hitler walked out and the guy left behind shot him in the stomach
this is reffered to as the Night of long knives
after that people stopped joining the SA
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Konyap]
#24298442 - 05/05/17 08:18 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#24298567 - 05/05/17 09:19 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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What the hell made you ask this
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: saythatagain]
#24298578 - 05/05/17 09:22 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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homosexuality, lol
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Cyrus19]
#24298866 - 05/05/17 11:57 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Great Scott]
#24299080 - 05/06/17 03:58 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, but Germany invaded other European countries where it was safe to be homosexual, even at that time. Oscar Wilde fled to France to lead an openly homosexual lifestyle, and that was back before the 1900's.
I bet you anything though a lot of people he incarcerated for being gay were simply based on rumors.
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Crystal G] 1
#24299123 - 05/06/17 05:03 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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OP, you might find this useful as a starting point for further reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph_175#Weimar_Republic
I think the difficulty in characterizing historic attitudes towards homosexuality lies primarily in two issues: (1) the lack of reliable data that allow for generalizations to be made and (2) the tendency to view matters in a rather singular way, while the attitudes towards homosexuality have historically been rather dichotomous and complex.
The lack of data requires not much elaboration; obviously, there are scattered data on how homosexuality was regarded in past societies, but it's never sufficient to paint a really reliable picture. We just don't know how many homosexuals were open about their nature and how society around them viewed this.
As to the attitudes, it's clear that the stance of western society has been very inconsistent dating as far back as antiquity. In classical times, you'd see people taking opposing stances, on the one hand glorifying male homosexuality (female homosexuality was largely undiscussed, apparently) and others arguing that it should be banned. At the same time, homosexual behavior was apparently widespread and open enough throughout the centuries to leave clear records, e.g. tax collection from male-male brothels and quasi-overt homosexuality (or at least intimate relationships) by a handful of rulers (although apparently most Roman emperors had male lovers - so definitely more than a handful back then).
Looking at the lobbying to abolish laws against homosexuality in the Weimar period, it's clear that the issue was relatively out in the open - although a political lobby says very little about individual openness or acceptance. The fact that these laws were not repealed, or at least replaced by slightly altered legislation still criminalizing at least some aspects of homosexuality, proves that there was certainly no consensus on homosexuality being acceptable.
All considered, I suspect that it's very much like antisemitism: there have always been people attempting to eradicate certain elements of society (homosexuality in this case, or Judaism in the case of antisemitism) with some periods of history being characterized by a relative lack of attention, punctuated by periods of fierce prosecution. The Nazis, as far as I'm concerned, only distinguish themselves in the scale and effectiveness of such prosecution, while playing into semtiments that were already present and quite wide-spread among the population. According to my father who was a kid during WWII, antisemitism was basically an integral element of Western-European society, although it didn't receive much explicit attention - everybody just 'knew' that Jews were 'different' in a negative sense, but mostly didn't bother with them. The Nazis apparently activated that passive stance and used it as a springboard for the holocaust - at least, that's the way I see it.
I think my main message here is that one shouldn't confuse a lack of interest or attention to the topic (basically: ignoring it) with acceptance or openness. In the Weimar republic, I bet that many people were perfectly aware of the fact that homosexuality existed within their society, but with the majority of society basically looking away from it and only a minority taking a fierce stance on either side of the debate. The interesting thing about the Weimar period is, in my opinion, that is seems to be an early example of a fairly contemporary society openly debating the issue in a political manner and exploring the ways in which it should or should not be part of the legislative system. In that sense, there was openness about the issue. But for me, that doesn't prove that there was openness within the daily lives of people. I bet there was very little of that.
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: koraks]
#24300579 - 05/06/17 07:08 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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they hated the jews because they came after the germans got knocked down a few pegs, really the jews were only there because of the Russian Tsar kicking them out. So with them they brought other forms of gov't probably. Germans are nationals and didn't though like I said the leader of the SA was gay, I think in the upper echelons of society there's a lot of gay stuff going on, for the romans it was kind of like serve your country have sex with men, but don't tell anyone about it back home because you still need a heir.
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Cyrus19]
#24300586 - 05/06/17 07:10 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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The act of "cracking down" on something does not mean that something was accepted or even legal before it was "cracked down" on.
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: ChRnZN]
#24300606 - 05/06/17 07:19 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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they were probably never acceptable of homosexuality
considering Napoleon invaded the Rhine 200 years before
Germans were Lutheran which means they would beat the shit out of you in church for acting up
thats what the SA did usually they would just go around beating the shit out of socialist and jews really lol
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Konyap]
#24301460 - 05/07/17 03:04 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Konyap, you may want to read a bit more about European history. There's a couple of things in your post that are really fundamentally untrue.
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: koraks]
#24301469 - 05/07/17 03:27 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Third Reich were socialists, at least in terms of economics.
Homosexuality and socialism are not mutually exclusive. But just because a person is gay, does not automatically mean they're a socialist. Lmfao.
Edited by Bubbles85 (05/07/17 03:58 AM)
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Bubbles85]
#24301496 - 05/07/17 04:13 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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No they weren't. It's bullshit. The Nazis were hooked in with the 50 biggest corporations in Germany and they stayed with them. This is part of the shroomery pretend National Socialism =Socialism. I'm getting very tired of you nitwits. Tell me all the names of the major corporations that allied with the USSR and Red China. Armand Hammer had some asocaiations with USSR. Name another one.
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Re: Homosexuality in Weimer Republic Germany [Re: Brian Jones]
#24301523 - 05/07/17 05:26 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Brian Jones said:
No they weren't. It's bullshit. The Nazis were hooked in with the 50 biggest corporations in Germany and they stayed with them. This is part of the shroomery pretend National Socialism =Socialism. I'm getting very tired of you nitwits. Tell me all the names of the major corporations that allied with the USSR and Red China. Armand Hammer had some asocaiations with USSR. Name another one.
Step the fuck down off your high horse.
Private corporate ownership existed under the Nazis in name only. The actual substance of that ownership resided in the German government.
The Nazis, not the nominal private owners exercised all powers of ownership. The German government, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity and by what methods.
The Nazis were firm believers that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists only as a means to the end of the State.
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