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InvisibleBolwarra
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Possible Lepiota - any suggestions?
    #2429289 - 03/13/04 11:13 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

I think these could be Lepiota. Anyone wish to have a go at species or offer some corrections?


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Inclued path from my Key to genera, thought it would be a help.

Spores produced externally on basidium
-BASIDIOMYCETES
1) Basida and spores exposed to the air before maturity
2) Fruit bodies fleshy or tough, but not jelly like. Basidia simple
3) Hymenium borne on gills or folds
-AGARICACEAE
5) Gills not easily seperable from flesh of cap
6) Gills not parralel-sided, not liquefying; spores various coloured
7) Spores whit, or exceptionaly pinkish, yellowish or lilac
8) Stem central
9) without a volva at base
11) With a membranous ring on stem
12) Gills not attached to stem (Free) --> Lepoita


General Appearience
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Cap - generally white, with brown patches radiating out from centre nipple or umbo. 8.5cm and 12cm width.
Gills - white, turning pinkish after washing dirt away and placing down for spore print.
Stem - White to brown in colour, 6.5cm and 9.4 cm long, 10mm wide at apex and 17mm across at base.
Annulas present white turning yellow.
Strong moist odour observed, quite sweet.

Attachemnt of Gills to stem - Free and remote - cap umbonate.
Attachment of stem to cap, loose easily removed without damage.
Spore colour is coming, will post toningt - (presumed white).

Found growing in an exposed grassy patch recieves full sun.
within approx 10 feet from a Pinus spp (not sure if this is significant.)

Thanks for any help.


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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #2430268 - 03/14/04 04:08 AM (13 years, 18 days ago)

That looks like Lepiota rachodes to me. Notice the orange staining where you broke the stem from the cap, this is indicative of rachodes. This species is often found in association with conifers as well. Rachodes is good to eat. great find, time for me to go check on some patches I know of.

Your specimens look much more white than the ones I have found. But the gills and flesh turning pink when broken or handled is a great rachodes determinant. The spore print should turn out white, if it is green then the specimen is Chlorophyllum molydites, a poisonous species.

Here's a pic of a find in May of last year.



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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #2430733 - 03/14/04 10:21 AM (13 years, 17 days ago)

I dunno, it closely resembles Chlorophyllum molybdites though.

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Except it's spore print color doesn't match up, and the stem color doesn't quite match up either.


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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #2430982 - 03/14/04 12:59 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

One of my references states that Chlorophyllum molybdites has variable staining characteristics, so it may stain as well. I don't see that a spore print color has been posted yet. I think the spore color in this case will be the determining factor.

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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: Joshua]
    #2431262 - 03/14/04 02:36 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

7) Spores whit, or exceptionaly pinkish, yellowish or lilac





Molybdite spore print color is Pea-green. A light-light olive color.


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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #2431266 - 03/14/04 02:38 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

7) Spores whit, or exceptionaly pinkish, yellowish or lilac





What does a whitish/exceptionally-pinkish/yellowish/lilac look like? :smile:


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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #2431274 - 03/14/04 02:40 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

What locality did you find these?


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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #2431370 - 03/14/04 03:12 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

Here is exactly what the spore print of molybdites looks like;


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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #2432161 - 03/14/04 08:10 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

Well i said i would post spore print last night...unfortunately i didn't get round to it.....

Joshua: "Your specimens look much more white than the ones I have found." The pic you have uploaded is definatly is simmilar in appearance but as you said is whiter in colour.

GGreatOne234: "I dunno, it closely resembles Chlorophyllum molybdites though."

- After Joshua mentioned Chlorophyllum i quickly did a google IMG search and turned up a photo with extremely similar characteristics to my specimen, so i was certain after seeing that photo i was in for a green spore print.

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Seems as though the gills turning pinkish and stem brusing orange/brown is an almost identical trait between both spp.

Anyways here is the spore print (quite green) and a shot though my scope.


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Thans for your help with the ID guys.


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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #2432216 - 03/14/04 08:23 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

GGreatOne234: Locality - I live in Australia - East Coast. or do you mean substrate - Found growing in an exposed grassy patch recieves full sun. within approx 10 feet from a Pinus spp.

What does a whitish/exceptionally-pinkish/yellowish/lilac look like? No argument with that one :smile: , keys eh!


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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #2432221 - 03/14/04 08:25 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

now arent you glad you didnt eat it!


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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: BLuEFroG]
    #2432227 - 03/14/04 08:28 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

well i never planned too, but certainly wanted to know what sp it was.


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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #2432348 - 03/14/04 09:15 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

I would say the Green-spored lepiota.. also known as chlorophyllum molymdite. just like greatone said..


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Re: Possible Lepiota - any suggestions? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #2441927 - 03/17/04 03:32 AM (13 years, 15 days ago)

The description in the key is a reference to several colors. There is more than one species that continues at this point in the key, hence the multiple color descriptions.

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