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Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users?
#24284944 - 04/30/17 07:05 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Have any of you ever heard of a psychedelic user getting busted by an undercover cop? How much effort do you think the police believe is worth it to catch someone with small quantities of psychedelic drugs? One person told me a story of a girl she knew in college who had apparently been hired as an undercover cop to bust people with drugs and ended up turning in like thirty people to the police. This was back in the 1980s though. The penalties for possession in my state are pretty severe, 2-10 years in prison apparently. My state is pretty far behind the rest of the country when it comes to drug reform.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428] 2
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Does a gun toting bear with no degree shit in your mouth when you are enjoying yourself in the woods?
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago] 3
#24285359 - 04/30/17 09:45 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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I have heard of many psychedelic users being busted by undercovers, and at one point in college I had an (obvious) undercover start repeatedly asking me for some "blotters, man" when I was wearing a particularly psychedelic wardrobe during an outdoor concert. Dude ended up getting at least somebody, because several people got arrested during that concert.
I think police put a lot of emphasis on catching psychedelic use, because every single bust I've read about is hyped up way more that it should be. Not like the regular "police seized 1 Kg of marijuana, worth $10,000!" overhype, but the kind where some dumbass kid with a few grams of shrooms ends up eating a ten year sentence with headlines like "Dangerously illegal narcotic mushroom kingpin captured!"
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Kryptos] 3
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Kryptos said: I have heard of many psychedelic users being busted by undercovers, and at one point in college I had an (obvious) undercover start repeatedly asking me for some "blotters, man" when I was wearing a particularly psychedelic wardrobe during an outdoor concert. Dude ended up getting at least somebody, because several people got arrested during that concert.
I think police put a lot of emphasis on catching psychedelic use, because every single bust I've read about is hyped up way more that it should be. Not like the regular "police seized 1 Kg of marijuana, worth $10,000!" overhype, but the kind where some dumbass kid with a few grams of shrooms ends up eating a ten year sentence with headlines like "Dangerously illegal narcotic mushroom kingpin captured!"
I've heard you can catch an undercover cop by making them do a bong rip. Joints don't work because they know how to fake a hit but they can't fake a bong rip.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428] 1
#24285597 - 04/30/17 11:38 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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I usually just look for the standard police tells: 1) Bad/outdated slang (not reliable) 2) crew cut (also not reliable) 3) dressed like a hobo but stands ramrod straight and has nice teeth (very reliable)
Get all three (like the guy that tried to get me) and you've got the undercover jackpot. I guess the last one is the most important-cops have no problem switching clothes, but it's very hard to switch up habits that have been drilled into you since the academy. It's also hard to develop meth mouth and still be in the department.
Also, oddly clean clothing, usually shoes. Police are almost always ready and laced up for a foot pursuit, which usually clashes with the whole druggie look.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Kryptos]
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I would take out number 2. I would say short hair isn't an indicator. Most people I know who do drugs have short hair
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Kryptos] 2
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Kryptos said: I usually just look for the standard police tells: 1) Bad/outdated slang (not reliable) 2) crew cut (also not reliable) 3) dressed like a hobo but stands ramrod straight and has nice teeth (very reliable)
Get em all (like the guy that tried to get me) and you've got the undercover jackpot. I guess the last one is the most important-cops have no problem switching clothes, but it's very hard to switch up habits that have been drilled into you since the academy. It's also hard to develop meth mouth and still be in the department.
Also, oddly clean clothing, usually shoes. Police are almost always ready and laced up for a foot pursuit, which usually clashes with the whole druggie look.
More like: 1. Do the shoes match the outfit. Cops tend to wear really nice shoes despite their costume. 2. Tell him some fucked up cop jokes and see his reaction "How many cops does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" "I dunno how many?" "I dunno I was asking?...."....pause see reaction...."I'm just fuckin with you, they don't change it, they just beat the walls for being black, and arrest the bulb for being broke and white"...pause for reaction. 3. outdated slang come with age, but when it's incorrect slang it's a sign, but not tell tale. 4. does he make really weird posts on a message board while acting completely oblivious?
Normally cops don't do as much busting as informants do. Informants can do all the drugs they want, they aren't cops, just people paid by cops, or working off a charge, that write statements and do controlled buys. After they get you on a few, you either get stopped in a controlled arrest carrying marked money, or you simply just get indicted in a few weeks with evidence stacked against you. Even an officer of the law will hit a bong to protect his cover.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
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MagicMush123 said: I would take out number 2. I would say short hair isn't an indicator. Most people I know who do drugs have short hair
I guess I should be more clear. By "crew cut" I meant specifically the military haircut that most police seem to favor, not just short hair. Check the local PD uniform requirements, they should have something about required hair length. Locally, male officers are not allowed to have hair that extends past the ear or past the brim of their cap, which is a somewhat distinctive hairstyle. It also takes very regular (every 2-3 weeks) cuts, which clash to some extent with the hobo druggie look.
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Kryptos said: I usually just look for the standard police tells: 1) Bad/outdated slang (not reliable) 2) crew cut (also not reliable) 3) dressed like a hobo but stands ramrod straight and has nice teeth (very reliable)
Get em all (like the guy that tried to get me) and you've got the undercover jackpot. I guess the last one is the most important-cops have no problem switching clothes, but it's very hard to switch up habits that have been drilled into you since the academy. It's also hard to develop meth mouth and still be in the department.
Also, oddly clean clothing, usually shoes. Police are almost always ready and laced up for a foot pursuit, which usually clashes with the whole druggie look.
More like: 1. Do the shoes match the outfit. Cops tend to wear really nice shoes despite their costume. 2. Tell him some fucked up cop jokes and see his reaction "How many cops does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" "I dunno how many?" "I dunno I was asking?...."....pause see reaction...."I'm just fuckin with you, they don't change it, they just beat the walls for being black, and arrest the bulb for being broke and white"...pause for reaction. 3. outdated slang come with age, but when it's incorrect slang it's a sign, but not tell tale. 4. does he make really weird posts on a message board while acting completely oblivious?
Normally cops don't do as much busting as informants do. Informants can do all the drugs they want, they aren't cops, just people paid by cops, or working off a charge, that write statements and do controlled buys. After they get you on a few, you either get stopped in a controlled arrest carrying marked money, or you simply just get indicted in a few weeks with evidence stacked against you. Even an officer of the law will hit a bong to protect his cover.
3) Bad slang does come with age, but slang should still match the age of the buyer. If someone is around asking for some "Horse" then they're (a) a cop or (b) 70-80 years old. Similar things can be done for other drugs, some dude asking for "grass" should look like modern day Tommy Chong, not a college student.
4) This doesn't really help much, I have better shit to do with my time than compile lists of online/real identities to verify this. Plus, I occasionally (commonly) make really weird posts while acting oblivious...
Also, I should add: Doesn't take no for an answer while trying to get drugs. I've heard of a few stories where people have gotten drugs for undercovers not because they were drug dealers, but because they didn't realize it was an undercover and just wanted to be left alone. There was a semi-famous story that came out of Cali a few years back, where an undercover basically did this to a mentally retarded kid, and the only reason the mentally retarded kid got him weed was because he thought the guy was his friend and he didn't have any, and didn't want him to stop being his friend.
EDIT: Jesse Snodgrass, and he was pretty badly autistic.
As for the informants thing, yeah. Most of the time, you've got an informant. Undercovers won't be trying to bust you unless it's a festival type venue where they're just wandering. Informants get used if the cops have a target, undercovers are for fishing expeditions.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Kryptos] 1
#24286107 - 05/01/17 07:45 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I wasn't referring to you making weird oblivious posts. I've been all over the country, "horse" "Boy" are the two most common names for H, and generally anyone can be asking for it, but at shows, shouldn't be and should be immediate suspect. That shit has no place at a concert. I can say I've never been asking or asked for grass, but I have had some obvious dope boys offer me or ask me if I would like to listen to, or do I enjoy "Strapping Young Lad" when scoping for H.
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Also, I should add: Doesn't take no for an answer while trying to get drugs. I've heard of a few stories where people have gotten drugs for undercovers not because they were drug dealers, but because they didn't realize it was an undercover and just wanted to be left alone. There was a semi-famous story that came out of Cali a few years back, where an undercover basically did this to a mentally retarded kid, and the only reason the mentally retarded kid got him weed was because he thought the guy was his friend and he didn't have any, and didn't want him to stop being his friend.
This is a big one. I've put a couple undercovers on blast, and they are persistent as shit sometimes, and sometimes will even come back like you never gave them the boot. Always have people with you to avoid dirty cops, make sure your crew has a universal signal for them.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago] 2
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Undercovers rarely get users, but if you are distributing they will.
The best way to avoid them is to not give anyone any drugs.
Second best way is to look at their teeth and shoes.
But for the tiny bits of money people make selling psychedelics, it's not really worth it.
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#24286507 - 05/01/17 11:22 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Don't try to ID undercover cops by looks. The last undercover cop I met had tattoos and a ponytail. He looked like somebody you could smoke a joint with even when he was in a professional setting. He was giving a talk on how he busted meth labs on that kind of stuff when I met him.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
#24287018 - 05/01/17 03:24 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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So what about these informants that you're talking about? Do they go after users as well? How long and how much time are they willing to dedicate to a single operation and how do you identify them?
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#24287039 - 05/01/17 03:29 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Seeing as people get arrested for rolling through a stop sign by a hidden cruiser in the bushes, I would think an 18+ year old could logically think "doing something illegal could = arrest"
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
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vandago said: Seeing as people get arrested for rolling through a stop sign by a hidden cruiser in the bushes, I would think an 18+ year old could logically think "doing something illegal could = arrest"
Obviously yes, but its a matter of trying to get as effective of a system for avoiding that as possible.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428] 1
#24287113 - 05/01/17 03:52 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Don't go out in public talking to strangers offering them drugs is the most effective system possible.
I've seen people get arrested at shows dosing themselves in the open and undercovers or staff seeing them.
If you do something illegal you are rolling the dice. If you are too new to recognize the signs of an undercover, just take a year off ( you'll have around 80 of them if you play your cards right ) and just watch it all go down. There's always wisdom to be gained, and even people who go years and years without getting caught, still wind up in the slammer for getting too comfortable.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428]
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triphead9428 said: So what about these informants that you're talking about? Do they go after users as well? How long and how much time are they willing to dedicate to a single operation and how do you identify them?
Informants are citizens, usually drug users who are helping bust other drug users. They get paid either in money or in time off their sentences. Many are addicts who are doing it for drug money.
Anyone who is not a true very close friend who asks you for drugs might be an informant. They are much harder to identify than undercovers.
The best way to protect yourself is to never give anyone anything illegal under any circumstances.
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#24288904 - 05/02/17 07:09 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Yup.
An informant can be anyone from your close highschool friend that pops up out of no where after years, to your own family member looking at hard time. They don't have rules other than to do controlled buys, write statements, and hopefully introduce an actual narcotics officer to you. They could be part of your circle too, get pulled over doing something stupid, and the cops scare them into snitching
No they don't have to tell you theyre a cop.
It's not always "They have to buy off you three times"
They have marked money if they are working for the police.
The one thing to know about informants is a lot of times they will fuck up doing the buy, or be too scared to testify in court, so getting a good lawyer may save you in a trial setting. Luckily I have dodged any informant who's tried to drop dime on me except for one. Someone wrote a statement on me in 2010 that was not in my motion of discovery and just labeled as "an anonymous tip" and they didn't need to get court approval to raid me because I was on treatment in leui of conviction. I'm still recovering from all the loss and my record 6 years later. It would help if I achieved 100% sobriety indefinitely. I don't plan on even smoking marijuana again until I can legally do it.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
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vandago said: It would help if I achieved 100% sobriety indefinitely.
It can be a real struggle for many. NA or AA can really help some people.
Other people can use substances sometimes and not have any problems. Really depends a lot on individual brain chemistry and other factors outside of your control.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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It's my current meds that are causing me problems, and it was alcohol prior to that. I've had about 16 drinks total in the last 2 years, and I drank them between oct 5th and dec 1st. I don't have a desire to drink outside of social settings.
I know "the geographical cure" doesn't work for 9/10 people, but when I travel I'm so much better about decision making. If I can get this ovi dropped to something where I wont do probation I'm selling everything I own and never looking back.
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Fact. Most people will roll over in a heartbeat if they think it will help them. Many for no reason at all.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: NothingsChanged] 1
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Police know how to use scare tactics on weak minded people very easily. They spot the things a person cares about, and threaten to take those things away. Freedom, money, habits, family, transportation, school, military, the list goes on. People are so shallow they can't think past the fear, and see through the bullshit. Any attorney will tell you, there's no respect for a snitch anywhere. The police use them as fuck toys, the judges look at them as cowards, then users and dealers they bust will always have a hatred for them.
You may end up losing a lot getting arrested, but you'll lose way more snitching. I've lost 2 vehicles, and my license many times, on top of thousands and thousands of dollars, and months and years of my life I won't get back. Unfortunately now that I'm marked as a felonious drug user, I am always suspect. I'd rather always be a suspect than have detectives come knocking looking for information. I make sure to keep it light at all costs now. There's never hard felonies sitting around. I just caught my first felony since my original felonies over some damn pot in my system on an icy road.
There's a chance I may win this case though. I talked to my attorney today, and they have no proof I was driving, They illegal detained me and arrested me, didn't read me my rights, and put the wrong date on the ticket.....all of this is on a gas station camera my lawyer has a copy of. She said you can't tell I'm intoxicated until the police start harassing me, and then they forcefully pull me outside the gas station and I fall, giving them cause to arrest me. We are shooting to get it dropped entirely. The wait sucks, I have 2 more weeks before my pre trial. I've never actually taken a case to trial before, but my lawyer said it may be in my best interest to have a jury of my peers try me. I'm pretty nervous, but I've already begun prepping for either moving or going to jail. If I'm found guilty I'm looking at up to 2 years in the joint.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
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You seem like a good guy with really, really bad luck. I hope it all works out for you
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vandago said: Police know how to use scare tactics on weak minded people very easily. They spot the things a person cares about, and threaten to take those things away. Freedom, money, habits, family, transportation, school, military, the list goes on. People are so shallow they can't think past the fear, and see through the bullshit. Any attorney will tell you, there's no respect for a snitch anywhere. The police use them as fuck toys, the judges look at them as cowards, then users and dealers they bust will always have a hatred for them.
You may end up losing a lot getting arrested, but you'll lose way more snitching. I've lost 2 vehicles, and my license many times, on top of thousands and thousands of dollars, and months and years of my life I won't get back. Unfortunately now that I'm marked as a felonious drug user, I am always suspect. I'd rather always be a suspect than have detectives come knocking looking for information. I make sure to keep it light at all costs now. There's never hard felonies sitting around. I just caught my first felony since my original felonies over some damn pot in my system on an icy road.
There's a chance I may win this case though. I talked to my attorney today, and they have no proof I was driving, They illegal detained me and arrested me, didn't read me my rights, and put the wrong date on the ticket.....all of this is on a gas station camera my lawyer has a copy of. She said you can't tell I'm intoxicated until the police start harassing me, and then they forcefully pull me outside the gas station and I fall, giving them cause to arrest me. We are shooting to get it dropped entirely. The wait sucks, I have 2 more weeks before my pre trial. I've never actually taken a case to trial before, but my lawyer said it may be in my best interest to have a jury of my peers try me. I'm pretty nervous, but I've already begun prepping for either moving or going to jail. If I'm found guilty I'm looking at up to 2 years in the joint.
This is why the war on drugs is a barbaric infringement of justice. Ruining people's lives or trying to simply because they dared to consume a chemical. It pisses me off when I hear politicians say stuff about how they're in no rush to end the war on drugs and if you ever talk about it to someone and say its important, they act like you have your priorities wrong. The truth is, the law is destroying people's lives, and that, in my mind, is pretty goddamn important. So don't sit there acting like this is a minor issue when hundreds of thousands of people still go to prison every year over this and are saddled with criminal records, making finding a job immensely difficult.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428]
#24296482 - 05/05/17 12:04 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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You could always not do drugs then
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: MagicMush123]
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Stopping rational and safe drug use, is allowing a fascist system to prevail and control. It's not just a war on drugs.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
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Mr.GuessWork said: Don't try to ID undercover cops by looks. The last undercover cop I met had tattoos and a ponytail. He looked like somebody you could smoke a joint with even when he was in a professional setting. He was giving a talk on how he busted meth labs on that kind of stuff when I met him.
Yeah, obviously undercover cops are not going to have the same grooming / appearance requirements as the rest of the cops, so judging hair is pointless IMHO. For a real undercover, that is. You can use this to spot detectives, or regular "plain clothes" cops. But I have seen undercovers with longer hair, and some who really seemed to nail "the look."
As for tattoos... even a lot of uniformed cops these days have tats. Tattoos are very common among the younger generations, and nowhere near as taboo as they used to be. I would fully expect some undercovers to have plenty of real tats. But I'd also wonder if they might have anything related to police work, justice, etc, anywhere on their body...? Seems like it would be a potentially dumb/risky move, and obviously no UC is going to have "I'm a Cop LOL" tatooed on their forehead. But maybe something smaller and symbolic, or ideological?
Anyway, while we're talking about iffy ways to spot undercover cops, here's my input:
HEIGHT / BUILD
Yes, there are some shorter cops out there. But an overwhelming majority of the cops I've ever encountered were on the taller side, and many of them had a larger build. I mean, it makes sense that law enforcement (especially cops on the street) would want to be large, to more easily overpower suspects, etc. I'm not sure if different departments may have different standards on this or what. But I can tell you that some of the federal agencies (like the FBI) actually have height requirements, to be an agent! I forget exactly, but I think it's no shorter than 5'10 for FBI.
So look for the guy dressed in skeevy stoner gear, with nice teeth, good running shoes (or boots), who's somewhat tall (or at least not short and scrawny) and looks like he might spend half his week in the gym. 
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vandago said: Any attorney will tell you, there's no respect for a snitch anywhere. The police use them as fuck toys, the judges look at them as cowards, then users and dealers they bust will always have a hatred for them.
I'm not too knowledgeable in this area, but it kinda makes sense. I mean, cops are a fraternity that's really big on loyalty and brotherhood. To a person like that, disloyalty and betrayal of friends is probably not viewed kindly.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: CidneyIndole]
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I know cops personally from school, and through family. They view snitches as some of the lowest scum around. Not only did the person reject authority and break the law, but they are willing to sell out their own people, sometimes blood family, just to avoid doing time. I can't even watch Tim Allen on tv knowing hes a snitch.
I know judges still push for informants to be charged. I know people who have rolled on people, then ended up getting maxed out on their original charges because they continued to fuck up.
When I was retaining an attorney on my original indictment 7 years ago, an attorney I called was immediately going for snitching. He said that we conjure up a contract and present it to the judge, prosecution, and detectives, and set it in stone, and that prick STILL wanted 2500 for me to snitch. Like LOL WUT????? Lawyers can be shady. It was why I was calling around a bit at first. After some research I found a reputable attorney that I've stuck with over the years. Super intelligent, and cunning, and the words "you could snitch" has never came out of his mouth. I don't associate with anyone who tells on people for drugs. Sometimes there's different forms of "snitching" I don't think are as hideous.....like when animals or children are in severe danger....human trafficking...things like that....but selling someone out so you can keep shooting dope, or so you don't have to do county time, fuck you everyone hates you and you should hate yourself.
I don't know any judges personally but my attorney and I have bs'ed here and there, and he blatantly said everyone hates a snitch, especially judges. He said judges are usually the ones that pin them with the charges anyways because no one should be above the law.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
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Last time i was down, Snitches and rapo's were walking the main line. Protected by the guards. Segregation units(The Hole) larger than general population units for all who can't comply. 1st time i was down, Snitches knew to PC up and all rapo/chimo's were sent to a specific institution.Kept together somewhat.
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There's pod snitches too though. You get in so much trouble for fucking up a pod snitch. They are the ones getting taken out by CO's on the regular, and they drop dimes on what they hear in the pod for smokes, early release, extra food, etc
That's why I am stuck with this damn pomeranian. I went to video court with two other guys. One guy was facing 5 first and second degree felonies ( As high as it goes pretty much ) and they were for selling modified weapons, among other shit. He was looking at 10-life. He had a million dollar bond when he came in. The other guy had his 5th ovi charge and it was a high tier alcohol ovi. I was on my 4th mj ovi.
The judge let me out on an ankle bracelet, let the other ovi guy out on an ankle bracelet, and the dude with the million dollar bond ( who over the course of the 10 days I was in there, I had not only watched walk out with the deputies and CO's several times, but at rec someone called him out on it and he blatantly admitted to it, he said "I'm not telling them anything they don't already know, I'm just confirming it for them and I get to see my kids, I ain't doin nothin wrong " ) That guy got a fuckin signature bond.
After we were arraigned they put all 3 of us in a holding cell before we went back up to the pod because we missed lunch so they gave us our brown bag of bologna and an apple. The dumbass who had to get his ankle bracelet like me started rambling like an idiot about how he was gonna go get his truck out of impound, and say fuck it and flee to tennessee. The shitty snitch dude was egging him on, he talked about it the whole time we ate all excited.
We were up in the pod for about 10 minutes after lunch, I'm making calls and dudes making calls to get our rides. Suddenly the CO cuffs the snitch and takes him out. this was around 2 pm, you can't leave the jail either before 2:30 or after 5, so we had to wait til after 5 at that point because of shift change. Shift change happened and dude went down and got a hold of his brother, his brother said he came at 5 and they told him he had a bond now. Co looked it up, and they changed his ankle bracelet to a 20k bond. Dude was freaking out and conned me into adopting his dog for the weekend so he could get it straightened out. He ended up getting 2 years in prison. He won't be free til sometime in 2018 depending on behavior. I have no clue what happened to the snitch dude.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
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Nothing personel but pomarainins can be fucked up little fuckers. Your right about county jail. Bunch a bitches runnin there neck behind closed doors then acting all hard in the pod. You will get through this. Hang in there. I know it's easier said than done.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: NothingsChanged]
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So many fucking cell warriors in county. Bitches everywhere, and annoying ass punks left and right, way too closed quarters. Shit is fucking madness.
The fuck that got me to adopt this dog was a marine who served two terms ( his lawyer used that as weight to get him released at video court ) and his lying skeezy ass told me it was his service animal. He hemmed me up like 20 minutes before I walked out and gave me his brothers number and asked if I would help get his service animal out. I called his brother and his brother did say the dude had a nice sized check waiting for hi when he got out, but told me straight up I wouldn't see a dime, and that dude was a total scum bag.
My gullible ass took the moral route and saved his "service" animal. I should've just walked out of the pound when I got there and found out the thing was a pomeranian, and it was the second time in a month it had been there. The dude got an ovi right after thanksgiving, and fled to Tennessee, then his dumbass came back for christmas and got another fuckin ovi. At that point I should've known damn well he was gonna sit for a little bit on his 5th ovi, but I figured they'd just make him wait 90 in county, then let him go. They nailed his ass on 2 years ( max was 5 ). I've been stuck with this yippee little horror of fluff since december. It didn't know it's name, it's not neutered, it was malnurished and beaten, and not even close to house trained. I've got it trained enough to rehome it now. It comes when I call, and listens most of the time, and once he's neutered will be fully house trained, but fuck I hate a dog that marks in the house. I was looking for a foster home for him until his owner was released, but from what I hear his owner is a really abusive psychopath....I looked up his criminal record and it matches what his family says.....by the time he's released the dog will be registered to me or someone else so I couldn't in good conscious give it back to someone who would abuse something that's 10 lbs.
But goddamn I hate this dog, even though I treat it like my own, and he's healthy and sits now, I friggin hate it. I would never in a million years willingly adopt one of these again. a 6'6 man should not own a pomeranian.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
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Way to do the right thing. People who abuse dogs are fucked up.
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Ya, I mean as much as I hate this thing, I'm still making sure whoever he heads to next knows what they're in for, and I'm trying to weather the storm as much as possible.
He's literally the only dog in my life who's ever bit me, and it was while my sisters pitbull was chilling, and the pom started humping his face......gave it multiple commands.....didn't work....had to separate before the pit handled it....grabbed the pom and he went ballistic and bit me on my thumb knuckle.
The little fucks slipped through breaches in my fence, and when we've gone to parks where there are no fences and 100's of acres of woods he just takes off running none stop.
Ever chased a pomeranian through a swamp in crocks for 10 minutes? You haven't lived til ya did.
I'm sure he's going to make someone very happy one day though.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
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I was seeing a women for awhile who had a squirrely pomeranian terror. I stopped seeing her because that dog would not stfu. Always yapping. She took it everywhere. Yap yap yap yap. fucking Pom's.
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I think the most valuable thing to be taken from this is that undercovers and informants come in all shapes and sizes. They want drugs, and will go to extensive lengths to acquire them.
The best way to protect yourself is to not sell or give away drugs. The second best way is if you are selling drugs to make sure you maintain intimate and close relationships with those who you deal with. IMO, If they are true psychonauts, they are less likely to roll.
If you deal, keep it in the family. Be aware of the crimes you are committing. I had a friend get super fucked, not because he was doing really big boy shit. He moved around 3lbs of MDMA and 10-20lbs of weed over the course of a 9 month investigation. But bc of rico statutes, multiple employees, cell phones, laundering, multiple drugs, guns, additional hash penalties, etc he got super fucked and had to do a decade at age 19.
Many people over look this shit, like in my state if you are growing mushrooms and making butane hash, those are two level 1 drug felonies you can end up in the slammer for 15 years over that shit. But making hash is an easy thing to keep off site. Same thing with a gun...just keeping a gun on you can add a half decade in some circumstances...so don't keep a gun in lieu of a drug crime.
Basically if you are committing a crime its important to understand what that means at the state and federal level. It's important you know the risks you are taking, and its important that you are willing to wipe your ass in the event you get caught. I won't pretend I always walk a straight line, but the things that I have done are things that I am fully prepared to do time for in the event that something were to go wrong. The mushrooms are more important to me than a couple of years. I believe in my heart of hearts I would stand tall and not provide information if I was jammed up. I also believe that stopping the police from impeding the flow of psychedelics is more important than my life alone. That may be because I am naive in thinking they can change the world.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Big Bear]
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You've always had a spot in my heart homie. You're great people. Glad you're still around.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: thetechnician]
#24311226 - 05/11/17 01:21 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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thetechnician said: I think the majority of psychedelic users are busted by loose lips, and possibly informants. Psychedelics aren't popular enough to target outside of festivals. I believe that we had an experience with a NARC at burning man though. My wife and I were on a hefty dose of MDMA on the night of the burn. A kid walked up to us, and acted kind of awkward. He was alone, had a backpack with orange juice, and who knows. He acted very sober and reserved. I can't say what particular thing made us suspect that he was a NARC, but it was a combination of his behavior, and his stories. He kept asking us "where the party was". He never directly asked us for drugs, but he followed us around for like 30 minutes as if he was waiting for a handout. Something about him didn't "fit in" with the scene. As we walked, we ran into other unusual characters that I suspect were also possibly NARCS. It could have been paranoia, but I have to trust my gut feeling on the situation. He eventually lost interest when he realized that we were not going to share.
Definitely a good decision. I know one girl who took ten tabs of acid to a rave not for her, but in-case other people wanted one. I mean, that's a really sweet thing to do but also really dangerous. I wouldn't ask for or give drugs to a random person at a rave/music festival.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428]
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My thoughts exactly. You come prepared for yourself, and your direct friends.
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Thanks to all above for the good discussion and stories here.
I can't emphasize enough that beyond being very stupid and/or having a big mouth, dealing and/or distributing drugs are the fastest way to get popped for psychedelics.
I agree that you should only take the risk with people that you trust deeply. Even then it is best to proceed with caution.
Definitley take as many steps as possible to minimize the risks you are taking just in case things go south.
I used to think cutting my long hair and dressing up was conforming, but then I realized that it was just another way of social engineering. I look like the descriptions of LE above and make a very specific point to not look like the stereotypical drug user. At festivals everyone thinks I am LE, but there and everywhere else cops and security think I am just a good ol' boy and never hassle me.
The people I saw involved in orchestrating festival busts did not meet the descriptions in this thread. They looked just like your average young and pretty E-fairies.
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naum said:The people I saw involved in orchestrating festival busts did not meet the descriptions in this thread. They looked just like your average young and pretty E-fairies.
Never trust an E-fairie. Never give money to an E-fairie. If the E-fairie is legit, they will give you free E if you want it.
I rarely trust other drug users, because the stakes in the game are very high. Eventually, you will be fooled by a disguise. It might not even be a disguise, it might be your competition dropping a dime to get you out of the way, or it might be someone who just plain doesn't like you for whatever reason.
I think the most important giveaway for a cop isn't any outfit or disguise. The most important giveaway is persistence (past reasonable "I need a fix, man") in attempting to get drugs from you and others.
One other thing that I should probably mention, some cops are *really* slick. I'm looking at DEA undercovers specifically here. I would be wary of the "perfect friend" that shows up right when you need it. I think Uncle Fester had a story in one of his books about a dude who was looking around for some precursors, when he came across a hippy looking dude who knew the lingo, had some stories to swap, and just happened to have a connection for super cheap precursors.
Turned out he was a DEA undercover, tipped off by a former business associate that got pinched. Of course, this is the kind of scenario where you're definitely a blip on a radar somewhere already.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Kryptos]
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When I got busted for psychedelic possession, it was a female. She was an actual narcotics agent, she looked to be in her mid 20's. When I arrived at the point of meeting her I was approaching by another officer you would NEVER think would be a cop. Neck tats, full sleaves, bald, looked like someone you would party hard with, he wasn't the brightest either. They thought the mescaline crystal I had was raw LSD or heroin. They thought the rolls I had were "probably fake" then through a mini party when the kit came back positive for mdma...literally high fiving and screaming "got em!" they found a bag of wine in my truck and quite literally thought it was a colostomy bag, I let him lay into me about how "disgusting and vile I was for just driving around pissing in a bag".....but man did he look like an aged user. The rest of the ones who raided my house were all average joe and jane looking people, but I assume they typically were on the field raiding, and not doing controlled buys.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
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Gotta watch out for those dreddy feddies
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I think it's been covered multiple times that they can indeed hit a bong. It was my understanding that if an officer of the law had to do drugs to keep from blowing his cover, then he actually got extra pay on the gig for having to put himself on the line like that. I can only assume most undercovers on the field develop an addiction of some sort at some time. It's gotta be a terrible job on so many levels. I could never understand why we took this path as a civilization. Paying armed citizens to play make believe with people to put them in a cage and steal all their belongings, while doing the same exact thing themselves that they are arresting for. It's a money and power game.
I saw a cops facebook that said "My gang is bigger than your gang, remember that." and all of me wanted to message him "Ha I just joined a mosque, eat that!" but I let his stupid go on with the bullets he pumps into men women children and dogs.
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Oh cops can do more than just hit a J if they have to in order to maintain their cover. A year ago I was outside a show at halftime in the smoking area and got approached by a 20something chick asking for a cig. So I gave her 1 and she's asking my name and told me hers was "Berkely". Then asked if I had any "hits" or doses. I had boomers and herb in my pocket but I was like nope can't help. Then I noticed her bouncing around to other ppl doing the same shit. So I moved over to the edge of the smoking area and some dude starts up a convo. Said he had never seen the band before and he prob wouldn't have if he hadn't found a $20 ticket outside. Still....these signals didn't compute at the time I was already half baked. Then the chick comes over to us both and she starts in hard again on me like looking me up and down saying "Come on man help me out I know you have something." And then it hit me....I was like you fucking bitch. Then she gives up and tells the dude next to me "I can't get shit out of these ppl....I mean I'm trying on every one that looks the part but I'm getting nothing." I'm thinking fuck me! Both of you are cops! Put out my cig and walked back inside. Watch out for the chicks.....dudes make dumb mistakes.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: BlueIndian]
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If you are in the "jamband" scene you shouldn't have to ask if they target psyches. The answer is "Fuck yes they do!"
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: BlueIndian]
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And at a show if someone starts chatting ask them how long they've been listening to the certain band, how many shows, they've seen, some favorite songs, etc....if they can't carry on a convo with you on that level it's a good indicator. But....like with the Dead, they've been around a long time so a "good" cop should do their research and be able to play that part. But the flip side to that is plenty of kids in the Dead lot have been facing stiff time and turned into informants. Dreads and such doesn't mean shit.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: BlueIndian]
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Yes they do but in a very different way than say cocaine or heroin/meth.
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never sell/buy any psychedelic from someone you dont know
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Connoisseur]
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Well that's just not true. We were all strangers once.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
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Time is a man made concept and it hinders perceptions. If it takes you years to feel someone out as opposed to minutes, re-evaluate your goals and where you are trying to be.
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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428]
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Kryptos said: I have heard of many psychedelic users being busted by undercovers, and at one point in college I had an (obvious) undercover start repeatedly asking me for some "blotters, man" when I was wearing a particularly psychedelic wardrobe during an outdoor concert. Dude ended up getting at least somebody, because several people got arrested during that concert.
I think police put a lot of emphasis on catching psychedelic use, because every single bust I've read about is hyped up way more that it should be. Not like the regular "police seized 1 Kg of marijuana, worth $10,000!" overhype, but the kind where some dumbass kid with a few grams of shrooms ends up eating a ten year sentence with headlines like "Dangerously illegal narcotic mushroom kingpin captured!"
I've heard you can catch an undercover cop by making them do a bong rip. Joints don't work because they know how to fake a hit but they can't fake a bong rip.
And lace your weed with DMT for good measure 
I went to a festival called Boombox in the Boondocks, which was outdoors in the forest.
Well, my gf and i were walking up this hill and two older military looking dudes with all dark clothes and hiking backpacks strolled by. They both eyed my GF and she noticed. My GF said it wasnt an erotic "hey girl" check out, but more like how an undercover cop would check out someone they think is carrying.
I didnt get busted but i remember those hardcore looking hikers.
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