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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #24294456 - 05/04/17 08:36 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Police know how to use scare tactics on weak minded people very easily.  They spot the things a person cares about, and threaten to take those things away.  Freedom, money, habits, family, transportation, school, military, the list goes on.  People are so shallow they can't think past the fear, and see through the bullshit.  Any attorney will tell you, there's no respect for a snitch anywhere.  The police use them as fuck toys, the judges look at them as cowards, then users and dealers they bust will always have a hatred for them.


You may end up losing a lot getting arrested, but you'll lose way more snitching.  I've lost 2 vehicles, and my license many times, on top of thousands and thousands of dollars, and months and years of my life I won't get back.  Unfortunately now that I'm marked as a felonious drug user, I am always suspect.  I'd rather always be a suspect than have detectives come knocking looking for information.  I make sure to keep it light at all costs now.  There's never hard felonies sitting around.  I just caught my first felony since my original felonies over some damn pot in my system on an icy road.

There's a chance I may win this case though. I talked to my attorney today, and they have no proof I was driving, They illegal detained me and arrested me, didn't read me my rights, and put the wrong date on the ticket.....all of this is on a gas station camera my lawyer has a copy of.  She said you can't tell I'm intoxicated until the police start harassing me, and then they forcefully pull me outside the gas station and I fall, giving them cause to arrest me.  We are shooting to get it dropped entirely.  The wait sucks, I have 2 more weeks before my pre trial.  I've never actually taken a case to trial before, but my lawyer said it may be in my best interest to have a jury of my peers try me.  I'm pretty nervous, but I've already begun prepping for either moving or going to jail.  If I'm found guilty I'm looking at up to 2 years in the joint.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
    #24296136 - 05/04/17 08:21 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

You seem like a good guy with really, really bad luck. I hope it all works out for you

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago] * 1
    #24296461 - 05/04/17 11:56 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Police know how to use scare tactics on weak minded people very easily.  They spot the things a person cares about, and threaten to take those things away.  Freedom, money, habits, family, transportation, school, military, the list goes on.  People are so shallow they can't think past the fear, and see through the bullshit.  Any attorney will tell you, there's no respect for a snitch anywhere.  The police use them as fuck toys, the judges look at them as cowards, then users and dealers they bust will always have a hatred for them.


You may end up losing a lot getting arrested, but you'll lose way more snitching.  I've lost 2 vehicles, and my license many times, on top of thousands and thousands of dollars, and months and years of my life I won't get back.  Unfortunately now that I'm marked as a felonious drug user, I am always suspect.  I'd rather always be a suspect than have detectives come knocking looking for information.  I make sure to keep it light at all costs now.  There's never hard felonies sitting around.  I just caught my first felony since my original felonies over some damn pot in my system on an icy road.

There's a chance I may win this case though. I talked to my attorney today, and they have no proof I was driving, They illegal detained me and arrested me, didn't read me my rights, and put the wrong date on the ticket.....all of this is on a gas station camera my lawyer has a copy of.  She said you can't tell I'm intoxicated until the police start harassing me, and then they forcefully pull me outside the gas station and I fall, giving them cause to arrest me.  We are shooting to get it dropped entirely.  The wait sucks, I have 2 more weeks before my pre trial.  I've never actually taken a case to trial before, but my lawyer said it may be in my best interest to have a jury of my peers try me.  I'm pretty nervous, but I've already begun prepping for either moving or going to jail.  If I'm found guilty I'm looking at up to 2 years in the joint.




This is why the war on drugs is a barbaric infringement of justice. Ruining people's lives or trying to simply because they dared to consume a chemical. It pisses me off when I hear politicians say stuff about how they're in no rush to end the war on drugs and if you ever talk about it to someone and say its important, they act like you have your priorities wrong. The truth is, the law is destroying people's lives, and that, in my mind, is pretty goddamn important. So don't sit there acting like this is a minor issue when hundreds of thousands of people still go to prison every year over this and are saddled with criminal records, making finding a job immensely difficult.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428]
    #24296482 - 05/05/17 12:04 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

You could always not do drugs then

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: MagicMush123]
    #24297157 - 05/05/17 09:36 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Stopping rational and safe drug use, is allowing a fascist system to prevail and control.  It's not just a war on drugs.



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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
    #24297930 - 05/05/17 04:06 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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Don't try to ID undercover cops by looks. The last undercover cop I met had tattoos and a ponytail. He looked like somebody you could smoke a joint with even when he was in a professional setting. He was giving a talk on how he busted meth labs on that kind of stuff when I met him.






Yeah, obviously undercover cops are not going to have the same grooming / appearance requirements as the rest of the cops, so judging hair is pointless IMHO. For a real undercover, that is. You can use this to spot detectives, or regular "plain clothes" cops. But I have seen undercovers with longer hair, and some who really seemed to nail "the look."


As for tattoos... even a lot of uniformed cops these days have tats. Tattoos are very common among the younger generations, and nowhere near as taboo as they used to be. I would fully expect some undercovers to have plenty of real tats. But I'd also wonder if they might have anything related to police work, justice, etc, anywhere on their body...? Seems like it would be a potentially dumb/risky move, and obviously no UC is going to have "I'm a Cop LOL" tatooed on their forehead. But maybe something smaller and symbolic, or ideological?


Anyway, while we're talking about iffy ways to spot undercover cops, here's my input:


HEIGHT / BUILD


Yes, there are some shorter cops out there. But an overwhelming majority of the cops I've ever encountered were on the taller side, and many of them had a larger build. I mean, it makes sense that law enforcement (especially cops on the street) would want to be large, to more easily overpower suspects, etc. I'm not sure if different departments may have different standards on this or what. But I can tell you that some of the federal agencies (like the FBI) actually have height requirements, to be an agent!  I forget exactly, but I think it's no shorter than 5'10 for FBI.


So look for the guy dressed in skeevy stoner gear, with nice teeth, good running shoes (or boots), who's somewhat tall (or at least not short and scrawny) and looks like he might spend half his week in the gym. :lol:







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Any attorney will tell you, there's no respect for a snitch anywhere.  The police use them as fuck toys, the judges look at them as cowards, then users and dealers they bust will always have a hatred for them.






I'm not too knowledgeable in this area, but it kinda makes sense. I mean, cops are a fraternity that's really big on loyalty and brotherhood. To a person like that, disloyalty and betrayal of friends is probably not viewed kindly.


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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #24298005 - 05/05/17 04:43 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I know cops personally from school, and through family.  They view snitches as some of the lowest scum around. Not only did the person reject authority and break the law, but they are willing to sell out their own people, sometimes blood family, just to avoid doing time.  I can't even watch Tim Allen on tv knowing hes a snitch.

I know judges still push for informants to be charged.  I know people who have rolled on people, then ended up getting maxed out on their original charges because they continued to fuck up. 

When I was retaining an attorney on my original indictment 7 years ago, an attorney I called was immediately going for snitching.  He said that we conjure up a contract and present it to the judge, prosecution, and detectives, and set it in stone, and that prick STILL wanted 2500 for me to snitch.  Like LOL WUT????? Lawyers can be shady. It was why I was calling around a bit at first.  After some research I found a reputable attorney that I've stuck with over the years. Super intelligent, and cunning, and the words "you could snitch" has never came out of his mouth.  I don't associate with anyone who tells on people for drugs.  Sometimes there's different forms of "snitching" I don't think are as hideous.....like when animals or children are in severe danger....human trafficking...things like that....but selling someone out so you can keep shooting dope, or so you don't have to do county time, fuck you everyone hates you and you should hate yourself.


I don't know any judges personally but my attorney and I have bs'ed here and there, and he blatantly said everyone hates a snitch, especially judges. He said judges are usually the ones that pin them with the charges anyways because no one should be above the law.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
    #24298759 - 05/05/17 10:57 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Last time i was down, Snitches and rapo's were walking the main line. Protected by the guards. Segregation units(The Hole) larger than general population units for all who can't comply. 1st time i was down, Snitches knew to PC up and all rapo/chimo's were sent to a specific institution.Kept together somewhat.


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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #24299389 - 05/06/17 09:09 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

There's pod snitches too though.  You get in so much trouble for fucking up a pod snitch.  They are the ones getting taken out by CO's on the regular, and they drop dimes on what they hear in the pod for smokes, early release, extra food, etc


That's why I am stuck with this damn pomeranian.  I went to video court with two other guys.  One guy was facing 5 first and second degree felonies ( As high as it goes pretty much ) and they were for selling modified weapons, among other shit.  He was looking at 10-life.  He had a million dollar bond when he came in.  The other guy had his 5th ovi charge and it was a high tier alcohol ovi.  I was on my 4th mj ovi.

The judge let me out on an ankle bracelet, let the other ovi guy out on an ankle bracelet, and the dude with the million dollar bond ( who over the course of the 10 days I was in there, I had not only watched walk out with the deputies and CO's several times, but at rec someone called him out on it and he blatantly admitted to it, he said "I'm not telling them anything they don't already know, I'm just confirming it for them and I get to see my kids, I ain't doin nothin wrong " )  That guy got a fuckin signature bond. 

After we were arraigned they put all 3 of us in a holding cell before we went back up to the pod because we missed lunch so they gave us our brown bag of bologna and an apple.  The dumbass who had to get his ankle bracelet like me started rambling like an idiot about how he was gonna go get his truck out of impound, and say fuck it and flee to tennessee.  The shitty snitch dude was egging him on, he talked about it the whole time we ate all excited. 

We were up in the pod for about 10 minutes after lunch, I'm making calls and dudes making calls to get our rides.  Suddenly the CO cuffs the snitch and takes him out.  this was around 2 pm, you can't leave the jail either before 2:30 or after 5, so we had to wait til after 5 at that point because of shift change.  Shift change happened and dude went down and got a hold of his brother, his brother said he came at 5 and they told him he had a bond now.  Co looked it up, and they changed his ankle bracelet to a 20k bond. Dude was freaking out and conned me into adopting his dog for the weekend so he could get it straightened out.  He ended up getting 2 years in prison. He won't be free til sometime in 2018 depending on behavior.  I have no clue what happened to the snitch dude.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
    #24299816 - 05/06/17 12:24 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Nothing personel but pomarainins can be fucked up little fuckers. Your right about county jail. Bunch a bitches runnin there neck behind closed doors then acting all hard in the pod.
  You will get through this. Hang in there. I know it's easier said than done.


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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #24299835 - 05/06/17 12:33 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

So many fucking cell warriors in county. Bitches everywhere, and annoying ass punks left and right, way too closed quarters. Shit is fucking madness.

The fuck that got me to adopt this dog was a marine who served two terms ( his lawyer used that as weight to get him released at video court ) and his lying skeezy ass told me it was his service animal.  He hemmed me up like 20 minutes before I walked out and gave me his brothers number and asked if I would help get his service animal out.  I called his brother and his brother did say the dude had a nice sized check waiting for hi when he got out, but told me straight up I wouldn't see a dime, and that dude was a total scum bag.

My gullible ass took the moral route and saved his "service" animal.  I should've just walked out of the pound when I got there and found out the thing was a pomeranian, and it was the second time in a month it had been there.  The dude got an ovi right after thanksgiving, and fled to Tennessee, then his dumbass came back for christmas and got another fuckin ovi.  At that point I should've known damn well he was gonna sit for a little bit on his 5th ovi, but I figured they'd just make him wait 90 in county, then let him go.  They nailed his ass on 2 years ( max was 5 ).  I've been stuck with this yippee little horror of fluff since december.  It didn't know it's name, it's not neutered, it was malnurished and beaten, and not even close to house trained.  I've got it trained enough to rehome it now.  It comes when I call, and listens most of the time, and once he's neutered will be fully house trained, but fuck I hate a dog that marks in the house.  I was looking for a foster home for him until his owner was released, but from what I hear his owner is a really abusive psychopath....I looked up his criminal record and it matches what his family says.....by the time he's released the dog will be registered to me or someone else so I couldn't in good conscious give it back to someone who would abuse something that's 10 lbs.


But goddamn I hate this dog, even though I treat it like my own, and he's healthy and sits now, I friggin hate it.  I would never in a million years willingly adopt one of these again.  a 6'6 man should not own a pomeranian.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
    #24299858 - 05/06/17 12:43 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Way to do the right thing. People who abuse dogs are fucked up.


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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #24300961 - 05/06/17 09:32 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Ya, I mean as much as I hate this thing, I'm still making sure whoever he heads to next knows what they're in for, and I'm trying to weather the storm as much as possible.

He's literally the only dog in my life who's ever bit me, and it was while my sisters pitbull was chilling, and the pom started humping his face......gave it multiple commands.....didn't work....had to separate before the pit handled it....grabbed the pom and he went ballistic and bit me on my thumb knuckle.

The little fucks slipped through breaches in my fence, and when we've gone to parks where there are no fences and 100's of acres of woods he just takes off running none stop.

Ever chased a pomeranian through a swamp in crocks for 10 minutes?  You haven't lived til ya did.

I'm sure he's going to make someone very happy one day though.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
    #24301432 - 05/07/17 02:39 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I was seeing a women for awhile who had a squirrely pomeranian terror. I stopped seeing her because that dog would not stfu. Always yapping. She took it everywhere. Yap yap yap yap. fucking Pom's.


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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 6
    #24302575 - 05/07/17 03:07 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I think the most valuable thing to be taken from this is that undercovers and informants come in all shapes and sizes.  They want drugs, and will go to extensive lengths to acquire them. 

The best way to protect yourself is to not sell or give away drugs.  The second best way is if you are selling drugs to make sure you maintain intimate and close relationships with those who you deal with.  IMO, If they are true psychonauts, they are less likely to roll. 

If you deal, keep it in the family.  Be aware of the crimes you are committing.  I had a friend get super fucked, not because he was doing really big boy shit.  He moved around 3lbs of MDMA and 10-20lbs of weed over the course of a 9 month investigation.  But bc of rico statutes, multiple employees, cell phones, laundering, multiple drugs, guns, additional hash penalties, etc he got super fucked and had to do a decade at age 19.

Many people over look this shit, like in my state if you are growing mushrooms and making butane hash, those are two level 1 drug felonies you can end up in the slammer for 15 years over that shit.  But making hash is an easy thing to keep off site.  Same thing with a gun...just keeping a gun on you can add a half decade in some circumstances...so don't keep a gun in lieu of a drug crime.

Basically if you are committing a crime its important to understand what that means at the state and federal level.  It's important you know the risks you are taking, and its important that you are willing to wipe your ass in the event you get caught.  I won't pretend I always walk a straight line, but the things that I have done are things that I am fully prepared to do time for in the event that something were to go wrong.  The mushrooms are more important to me than a couple of years.  I believe in my heart of hearts I would stand tall and not provide information if I was jammed up.  I also believe that stopping the police from impeding the flow of psychedelics is more important than my life alone. That may be because I am naive in thinking they can change the world.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Big Bear]
    #24303221 - 05/07/17 08:20 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

You've always had a spot in my heart homie.  You're great people. Glad you're still around.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
    #24304379 - 05/08/17 10:30 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: thetechnician]
    #24311226 - 05/11/17 01:21 AM (7 years, 9 days ago)

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I think the majority of psychedelic users are busted by loose lips, and possibly informants. Psychedelics aren't popular enough to target outside of festivals. I believe that we had an experience with a NARC at burning man though. My wife and I were on a hefty dose of MDMA on the night of the burn. A kid walked up to us, and acted kind of awkward. He was alone, had a backpack with orange juice, and who knows. He acted very sober and reserved. I can't say what particular thing made us suspect that he was a NARC, but it was a combination of his behavior, and his stories. He kept asking us "where the party was". He never directly asked us for drugs, but he followed us around for like 30 minutes as if he was waiting for a handout. Something about him didn't "fit in" with the scene. As we walked, we ran into other unusual characters that I suspect were also possibly NARCS. It could have been paranoia, but I have to trust my gut feeling on the situation. He eventually lost interest when he realized that we were not going to share.




Definitely a good decision. I know one girl who took ten tabs of acid to a rave not for her, but in-case other people wanted one. I mean, that's a really sweet thing to do but also really dangerous. I wouldn't ask for or give drugs to a random person at a rave/music festival.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428]
    #24312531 - 05/11/17 05:35 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

My thoughts exactly. You come prepared for yourself, and your direct friends.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Kryptos] * 4
    #24316237 - 05/13/17 09:22 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Thanks to all above for the good discussion and stories here.

I can't emphasize enough that beyond being very stupid and/or having a big mouth, dealing and/or distributing drugs are the fastest way to get popped for psychedelics.

I agree that you should only take the risk with people that you trust deeply. Even then it is best to proceed with caution.

Definitley take as many steps as possible to minimize the risks you are taking just in case things go south.

I used to think cutting my long hair and dressing up was conforming, but then I realized that it was just another way of social engineering. I look like the descriptions of LE above and make a very specific point to not look like the stereotypical drug user. At festivals everyone thinks I am LE, but there and everywhere else cops and security think I am just a good ol' boy and never hassle me.

The people I saw involved in orchestrating festival busts did not meet the descriptions in this thread. They looked just like your average young and pretty E-fairies.


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