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Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users?
    #24284944 - 04/30/17 07:05 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Have any of you ever heard of a psychedelic user getting busted by an undercover cop? How much effort do you think the police believe is worth it to catch someone with small quantities of psychedelic drugs? One person told me a story of a girl she knew in college who had apparently been hired as an undercover cop to bust people with drugs and ended up turning in like thirty people to the police. This was back in the 1980s though. The penalties for possession in my state are pretty severe, 2-10 years in prison apparently. My state is pretty far behind the rest of the country when it comes to drug reform.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428] * 2
    #24285270 - 04/30/17 09:11 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Does a gun toting bear with no degree shit in your mouth when you are enjoying yourself in the woods?

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago] * 3
    #24285359 - 04/30/17 09:45 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

I have heard of many psychedelic users being busted by undercovers, and at one point in college I had an (obvious) undercover start repeatedly asking me for some "blotters, man" when I was wearing a particularly psychedelic wardrobe during an outdoor concert. Dude ended up getting at least somebody, because several people got arrested during that concert.

I think police put a lot of emphasis on catching psychedelic use, because every single bust I've read about is hyped up way more that it should be. Not like the regular "police seized 1 Kg of marijuana, worth $10,000!" overhype, but the kind where some dumbass kid with a few grams of shrooms ends up eating a ten year sentence with headlines like "Dangerously illegal narcotic mushroom kingpin captured!"

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Kryptos] * 3
    #24285409 - 04/30/17 10:04 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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I have heard of many psychedelic users being busted by undercovers, and at one point in college I had an (obvious) undercover start repeatedly asking me for some "blotters, man" when I was wearing a particularly psychedelic wardrobe during an outdoor concert. Dude ended up getting at least somebody, because several people got arrested during that concert.

I think police put a lot of emphasis on catching psychedelic use, because every single bust I've read about is hyped up way more that it should be. Not like the regular "police seized 1 Kg of marijuana, worth $10,000!" overhype, but the kind where some dumbass kid with a few grams of shrooms ends up eating a ten year sentence with headlines like "Dangerously illegal narcotic mushroom kingpin captured!"




I've heard you can catch an undercover cop by making them do a bong rip. Joints don't work because they know how to fake a hit but they can't fake a bong rip.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428] * 1
    #24285597 - 04/30/17 11:38 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

I usually just look for the standard police tells:
1) Bad/outdated slang (not reliable)
2) crew cut (also not reliable)
3) dressed like a hobo but stands ramrod straight and has nice teeth (very reliable)

Get all three (like the guy that tried to get me) and you've got the undercover jackpot. I guess the last one is the most important-cops have no problem switching clothes, but it's very hard to switch up habits that have been drilled into you since the academy. It's also hard to develop meth mouth and still be in the department.

Also, oddly clean clothing, usually shoes. Police are almost always ready and laced up for a foot pursuit, which usually clashes with the whole druggie look.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Kryptos]
    #24285623 - 04/30/17 11:55 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

I would take out number 2. I would say short hair isn't an indicator. Most people I know who do drugs have short hair

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Kryptos] * 2
    #24286007 - 05/01/17 06:43 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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I usually just look for the standard police tells:
1) Bad/outdated slang (not reliable)
2) crew cut (also not reliable)
3) dressed like a hobo but stands ramrod straight and has nice teeth (very reliable)


Get em all (like the guy that tried to get me) and you've got the undercover jackpot. I guess the last one is the most important-cops have no problem switching clothes, but it's very hard to switch up habits that have been drilled into you since the academy. It's also hard to develop meth mouth and still be in the department.

Also, oddly clean clothing, usually shoes. Police are almost always ready and laced up for a foot pursuit, which usually clashes with the whole druggie look.






More like:
1. Do the shoes match the outfit.  Cops tend to wear really nice shoes despite their costume.
2. Tell him some fucked up cop jokes and see his reaction "How many cops does it take to screw in a lightbulb?"
"I dunno how many?"
"I dunno I was asking?...."....pause see reaction...."I'm just fuckin with you, they don't change it, they just beat the walls for being black, and arrest the bulb for being broke and white"...pause for reaction.
3. outdated slang come with age, but when it's incorrect slang it's a sign, but not tell tale.
4. does he make really weird posts on a message board while acting completely oblivious?

Normally cops don't do as much busting as informants do.  Informants can do all the drugs they want, they aren't cops, just people paid by cops, or working off a charge, that write statements and do controlled buys. After they get you on a few, you either get stopped in a controlled arrest carrying marked money, or you simply just get indicted in a few weeks with evidence stacked against you. Even an officer of the law will hit a bong to protect his cover.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
    #24286025 - 05/01/17 07:03 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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I would take out number 2. I would say short hair isn't an indicator. Most people I know who do drugs have short hair




I guess I should be more clear. By "crew cut" I meant specifically the military haircut that most police seem to favor, not just short hair. Check the local PD uniform requirements, they should have something about required hair length. Locally, male officers are not allowed to have hair that extends past the ear or past the brim of their cap, which is a somewhat distinctive hairstyle. It also takes very regular (every 2-3 weeks) cuts, which clash to some extent with the hobo druggie look.

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I usually just look for the standard police tells:
1) Bad/outdated slang (not reliable)
2) crew cut (also not reliable)
3) dressed like a hobo but stands ramrod straight and has nice teeth (very reliable)


Get em all (like the guy that tried to get me) and you've got the undercover jackpot. I guess the last one is the most important-cops have no problem switching clothes, but it's very hard to switch up habits that have been drilled into you since the academy. It's also hard to develop meth mouth and still be in the department.

Also, oddly clean clothing, usually shoes. Police are almost always ready and laced up for a foot pursuit, which usually clashes with the whole druggie look.






More like:
1. Do the shoes match the outfit.  Cops tend to wear really nice shoes despite their costume.
2. Tell him some fucked up cop jokes and see his reaction "How many cops does it take to screw in a lightbulb?"
"I dunno how many?"
"I dunno I was asking?...."....pause see reaction...."I'm just fuckin with you, they don't change it, they just beat the walls for being black, and arrest the bulb for being broke and white"...pause for reaction.
3. outdated slang come with age, but when it's incorrect slang it's a sign, but not tell tale.
4. does he make really weird posts on a message board while acting completely oblivious?

Normally cops don't do as much busting as informants do.  Informants can do all the drugs they want, they aren't cops, just people paid by cops, or working off a charge, that write statements and do controlled buys. After they get you on a few, you either get stopped in a controlled arrest carrying marked money, or you simply just get indicted in a few weeks with evidence stacked against you. Even an officer of the law will hit a bong to protect his cover.




3) Bad slang does come with age, but slang should still match the age of the buyer. If someone is around asking for some "Horse" then they're (a) a cop or (b) 70-80 years old. Similar things can be done for other drugs, some dude asking for "grass" should look like modern day Tommy Chong, not a college student.

4) This doesn't really help much, I have better shit to do with my time than compile lists of online/real identities to verify this. Plus, I occasionally (commonly) make really weird posts while acting oblivious...

Also, I should add: Doesn't take no for an answer while trying to get drugs. I've heard of a few stories where people have gotten drugs for undercovers not because they were drug dealers, but because they didn't realize it was an undercover and just wanted to be left alone. There was a semi-famous story that came out of Cali a few years back, where an undercover basically did this to a mentally retarded kid, and the only reason the mentally retarded kid got him weed was because he thought the guy was his friend and he didn't have any, and didn't want him to stop being his friend.

EDIT: Jesse Snodgrass, and he was pretty badly autistic.

As for the informants thing, yeah. Most of the time, you've got an informant. Undercovers won't be trying to bust you unless it's a festival type venue where they're just wandering. Informants get used if the cops have a target, undercovers are for fishing expeditions.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #24286107 - 05/01/17 07:45 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

I wasn't referring to you making weird oblivious posts.  I've been all over the country, "horse" "Boy" are the two most common names for H, and generally anyone can be asking for it, but at shows, shouldn't be and should be immediate suspect.  That shit has no place at a concert.  I can say I've never been asking or asked for grass, but I have had some obvious dope boys offer me or ask me if I would like to listen to, or do I enjoy "Strapping Young Lad" when scoping for H.

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Also, I should add: Doesn't take no for an answer while trying to get drugs. I've heard of a few stories where people have gotten drugs for undercovers not because they were drug dealers, but because they didn't realize it was an undercover and just wanted to be left alone. There was a semi-famous story that came out of Cali a few years back, where an undercover basically did this to a mentally retarded kid, and the only reason the mentally retarded kid got him weed was because he thought the guy was his friend and he didn't have any, and didn't want him to stop being his friend.




This is a big one.  I've put a couple undercovers on blast, and they are persistent as shit sometimes, and sometimes will even come back like you never gave them the boot.  Always have people with you to avoid dirty cops, make sure your crew has a universal signal for them.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago] * 2
    #24286480 - 05/01/17 11:07 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Undercovers rarely get users, but if you are distributing they will.

The best way to avoid them is to not give anyone any drugs.

Second best way is to look at their teeth and shoes.

But for the tiny bits of money people make selling psychedelics, it's not really worth it.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #24286507 - 05/01/17 11:22 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Don't try to ID undercover cops by looks. The last undercover cop I met had tattoos and a ponytail. He looked like somebody you could smoke a joint with even when he was in a professional setting. He was giving a talk on how he busted meth labs on that kind of stuff when I met him.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #24287018 - 05/01/17 03:24 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

So what about these informants that you're talking about? Do they go after users as well? How long and how much time are they willing to dedicate to a single operation and how do you identify them?

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428] * 1
    #24287039 - 05/01/17 03:29 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Seeing as people get arrested for rolling through a stop sign by a hidden cruiser in the bushes, I would think an 18+ year old could logically think "doing something illegal could = arrest"

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
    #24287084 - 05/01/17 03:45 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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Seeing as people get arrested for rolling through a stop sign by a hidden cruiser in the bushes, I would think an 18+ year old could logically think "doing something illegal could = arrest"




Obviously yes, but its a matter of trying to get as effective of a system for avoiding that as possible.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428] * 1
    #24287113 - 05/01/17 03:52 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Don't go out in public talking to strangers offering them drugs is the most effective system possible. 

I've seen people get arrested at shows dosing themselves in the open and undercovers or staff seeing them.

If you do something illegal you are rolling the dice.  If you are too new to recognize the signs of an undercover, just take a year off ( you'll have around 80 of them if you play your cards right ) and just watch it all go down.  There's always wisdom to be gained, and even people who go years and years without getting caught, still wind up in the slammer for getting too comfortable.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: triphead9428]
    #24288821 - 05/02/17 05:23 AM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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So what about these informants that you're talking about? Do they go after users as well? How long and how much time are they willing to dedicate to a single operation and how do you identify them?





Informants are citizens, usually drug users who are helping bust other drug users.  They get paid either in money or in time off their sentences.  Many are addicts who are doing it for drug money.

Anyone who is not a true very close friend who asks you for drugs might be an informant.    They are much harder to identify than undercovers.

The best way to protect yourself is to never give anyone anything illegal under any circumstances.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #24288904 - 05/02/17 07:09 AM (7 years, 18 days ago)

Yup. 

An informant can be anyone from your close highschool friend that pops up out of no where after years, to your own family member looking at hard time.  They don't have rules other than to do controlled buys, write statements, and hopefully introduce an actual narcotics officer to you.  They could be part of your circle too, get pulled over doing something stupid, and the cops scare them into snitching

No they don't have to tell you theyre a cop.

It's not always "They have to buy off you three times"

They have marked money if they are working for the police.


The one thing to know about informants is a lot of times they will fuck up doing the buy, or be too scared to testify in court, so getting a good lawyer may save you in a trial setting.  Luckily I have dodged any informant who's tried to drop dime on me except for one.  Someone wrote a statement on me in 2010 that was not in my motion of discovery and just labeled as "an anonymous tip" and they didn't need to get court approval to raid me because I was on treatment in leui of conviction.  I'm still recovering from all the loss and my record 6 years later.  It would help if I achieved 100% sobriety indefinitely.  I don't plan on even smoking marijuana again until I can legally do it.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago]
    #24289395 - 05/02/17 11:16 AM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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It would help if I achieved 100% sobriety indefinitely.





It can be a real struggle for many.    NA or AA can really help some people.

Other people can use substances sometimes and not have any problems.  Really depends a lot on individual brain chemistry and  other factors outside of your control.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #24289513 - 05/02/17 12:06 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

It's my current meds that are causing me problems, and it was alcohol prior to that.  I've had about 16 drinks total in the last 2 years, and I drank them between oct 5th and dec 1st.  I don't have a desire to drink outside of social settings. 

I know "the geographical cure" doesn't work for 9/10 people, but when I travel I'm so much better about decision making.  If I can get this ovi dropped to something where I wont do probation I'm selling everything I own and never looking back.

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Re: Do Undercover Cops go after Psychedelic users? [Re: vandago] * 1
    #24293872 - 05/03/17 11:35 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Fact. Most people will roll over in a heartbeat if they think it will help them. Many for no reason at all.:2cents:






vandago: Stay up Brother. You will get through this bump in your road.


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