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Re: Flow hood help [Re: hamloaf]
    #24225789 - 04/07/17 03:45 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Paul staments isnt who I would be taking advice from. Just saying

He can grow some mushrooms other than that meh he's not all he's cracked up to be

Real mycologists cringe when he's brought up and nice ones avoid saying much. He's our Andrew Wakefield


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24225809 - 04/07/17 03:56 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

There's the bad taxonomy by gartz and Paul
There's Paul's lack of understanding of genetics but still talks about it
Riding on the coat tails of the scientists actually doing mycology remediation research
Saying mushrooms cure cancer with no proof, or clinical research. And no trials either. There's vague research with turkey tail only.
Over selling his products efficacy

He can grow mushrooms really well, he is a great farmer but not so much a really great mycologist


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Regarding Paul, he is a great salesman and ambassador, and he has gotten a lot of people into mushrooms.    For that he deserves to be held in high regard.  He is pretty cool in person.  I do think he probably oversells his products, and that medicinal mushrooms shouldn't be sold as medicine until they are proven to work.  Turkey tails have been proven to work (but not very much), and the rest of them are pretty much untested in large clinical trials.    Mushrooms do make excellent placebos.

If you ask professional mycologists about Stamets or mycoremediation or medicinal mushrooms, they typically change the subject pretty quick, if they are feeling polite.





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Re: Flow hood help [Re: hamloaf]
    #24226436 - 04/07/17 08:53 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Nope, no battle here.

You're soap, and water theory is specualtion.  In both TMC, and GG&MM Paul Stamets writes about maintaining sterile equilibrium in the lab using soap, and water. 

Been running a lab in an extra room for 5 years.  I used bleach before, and it's too harsh for me.  Plus a lab, once set up, stays pretty dust free, so bleach is overkill ime. 

Do you clean your lab with bleach every 2 weeks, and how does that work for you?




I have both of those books and I haven't read that about the soap and water...Sounds like residue to me.

I bleach regularly with a pump sprayer (10% solution) once a week. All surfaces. My lab is small, not dusty, and in a brand new building, but I am a vector with animals and a shitty house thats moldy.

I use 70% Iso for cleaning the bench, chair and general area and for the scalpel etc. Thats it really. I vacume as needed, I don't mop just bleach the concrete floor.


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: Crispykoot]
    #24226439 - 04/07/17 08:55 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Paul Stamets spoke at a conference with David Wolfe Avocado...

What kind of scientist would stoop that low? Shocking really...


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24226568 - 04/07/17 09:59 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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There's the bad taxonomy by gartz and Paul
There's Paul's lack of understanding of genetics but still talks about it
Riding on the coat tails of the scientists actually doing mycology remediation research
Saying mushrooms cure cancer with no proof, or clinical research. And no trials either. There's vague research with turkey tail only.
Over selling his products efficacy

He can grow mushrooms really well, he is a great farmer but not so much a really great mycologist


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Regarding Paul, he is a great salesman and ambassador, and he has gotten a lot of people into mushrooms.    For that he deserves to be held in high regard.  He is pretty cool in person.  I do think he probably oversells his products, and that medicinal mushrooms shouldn't be sold as medicine until they are proven to work.  Turkey tails have been proven to work (but not very much), and the rest of them are pretty much untested in large clinical trials.    Mushrooms do make excellent placebos.

If you ask professional mycologists about Stamets or mycoremediation or medicinal mushrooms, they typically change the subject pretty quick, if they are feeling polite.





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What if I told you a lot of his edibles were contract grown?


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: drake89]
    #24226623 - 04/07/17 10:26 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Not surprising. People who mislead, tend to mislead


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24227147 - 04/08/17 07:03 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Well FP sells their HEPA package with an overhead misting system and their ducting work for 1000 dollars...They push them for growroom use...3 years ago I bought one not knowing that I didn't need a HEPA in a grow room...The ducting is repurposed,but un needed.

His books also had me bathing before going into my grow rooms...I was clean as fuck, but pretty pissed off about that. Almost everything I bought from them has failed. They did replace an analog H controller, but most of their crap comes in a container from China.

I have a very hard time using them at all for anything. They are not the only game in town.


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: Crispykoot]
    #24228506 - 04/08/17 06:19 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

is there an alternative to them (FP) for a flow hood HEPA filter? Who are you all using? Ebay seems kind of "ify" for something that needs accurate specs.

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Re: Flow hood help [Re: laughingdog]
    #24233786 - 04/11/17 12:32 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

there are cheaper options, but you need to be willing to wait for them to custom build it, and/or know EXACTLY what you need

it's really easy to find stuff that is too thick to be ideal , and many people have used them successfully, even though a 11" filter wouldn't be used in a factory FH

the FP filters are the fastest way to get exactly the right kind, at least that I know of. hepas made for flow hoods... though many people use clean room hepas

I'd try to save on the blower, rather than the filter. depends on your build priorities


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #24236173 - 04/11/17 11:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks c10h12n2oS , makes sense to go with, those who know and have the appropriate part for such an investment, of time, energy etc.

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Re: Flow hood help [Re: laughingdog]
    #24242805 - 04/14/17 07:54 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Flow hood help [Re: Cujllickduo]
    #24283167 - 04/30/17 04:20 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)



I bought my HEPA from FP, it was a fair price considering it was brand new and came shipped in perfect shape.. They're pretty delicate .
I got a better price on my Dayton blower.

I just built a cabinet, no hood. I do good work with it but I've been thinking of building a (maybe collapsible) removable plexiglass hood.

Is it really that much better to have a hood on than a flow cabinet?


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: mushpunx]
    #24284165 - 04/30/17 01:45 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Just depends on your needs, a cab is more than sufficient for most

A hood just gives a bigger workspace with some shielding for the flow

I gotta say, I LOVE my hood, I've done more than 1500 plates in it with 0 contam!


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #24284572 - 04/30/17 04:48 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I would love your hood too man things a beauty!


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: mushpunx]
    #24285182 - 04/30/17 08:30 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

1500, Damn you been busy.


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24285746 - 05/01/17 01:07 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Always :smile:

I really dig the USB charger , that thing is clutch :smile:

I was doin 100-200 a day for many months last year haha... All in that custom SAB.

Never would've expected 100% clean though :smile:

I've actually been doing less these days, I think my GF was gonna leave me if I kept doing that many every day... I've learned to put it up when dinner is ready haha...


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #24285987 - 05/01/17 06:29 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Always :smile:

I really dig the USB charger , that thing is clutch :smile:

I was doin 100-200 a day for many months last year haha... All in that custom SAB.

Never would've expected 100% clean though :smile:

I've actually been doing less these days, I think my GF was gonna leave me if I kept doing that many every day... I've learned to put it up when dinner is ready haha...




How do you afford so many plates? I love disposable plates but I can't always pay for cases- so I don't do as much work as I'd like to because no pours are a pain

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Re: Flow hood help [Re: FoTwenty]
    #24286771 - 05/01/17 01:46 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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I added silicone in top edge. Air was leaking out. I added a prefilter and it seems to work out. No dead space. But arrownd the filter edges there is some turbulence when I do the lighter test.


Soon I will cover the gasket to make it more pretty




Nearly certain your filter should be rotated 90 degrees. The slits should be vertical,not horizontal

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Re: Flow hood help [Re: Phibonacci]
    #24286775 - 05/01/17 01:47 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Doesn't matter it's laminar flow


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Re: Flow hood help [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24286800 - 05/01/17 01:57 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

To each their own, but I've read installation instructions for 3 different brand HEPA filters and they all state that the pleats should be vertical instead of horizontal. Horizontal pleats are little shelves which can accumulate debris and shorten the lifespan of the filter. If you are going to go through the trouble of a design and build, I'd just do it the way the manufacturer recommends $.02

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