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Hunter S Hoffman
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: mushboy]
#24280240 - 04/28/17 11:37 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said:

coir has no nutes in the traditional sense. that quote has nothing to do with what we would be 'weeping' for. sure it has minerals and other things for the mushroom but so does dirt. you could eat dirt and get some minerals and 'nutes'
You are speaking out of ignorance, or ill experience. If you had let's a BRF cake and cased it in 5050 verm/peat and fruited, do you think you would have the same yield if you took that exact same cake and spawned to 5050 verm/coir and allowed it to colonize completely? No of course not, this is because the coir acts just as Horse manure and cow manure, it increases the biomass of the mycelium thus allowing for larger yields. If bulk didn't increase yields it wouldn't be called bulk, and there would be no reason to fuck with it when you could easily case and fruit much easier.
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: Hunter S Hoffman]
#24280244 - 04/28/17 11:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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water.
ass.
how can you say i have ill experience and then ask about a pf cake being spawned to a casing and then compared that to spawning to a bulk substrate.??
like
times 8 hundred billion.
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Hunter S Hoffman
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: mushboy]
#24280262 - 04/28/17 11:50 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said: water.
ass.
how can you say i have ill experience and then ask about a pf cake being spawned to a casing and then compared that to spawning to a bulk substrate.??
like
times 8 hundred billion.
I used a cake as an example because thats what op is using. Tell me this, why would anyone pasturize a ton of cow shit, when they could just as easily case with verm and give it the same amount of water, if it makes no difference in the yield? Why would you bother consolidating the substrate at all if according to you, it had all it needs right out of the jar. What do you think a nutrient is? Something that just sounds fancy and thrown around arbitrarily. The only difference between bulk and casing is the presence of nutrients in bulk and the absence of nutrients in the casing. This is what makes a difference in yield, not water.
Lets make this easy, why dont you educate the class of the distinction between bulk and casing?
Edited by Hunter S Hoffman (04/29/17 12:07 AM)
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: Hunter S Hoffman]
#24280350 - 04/29/17 12:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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no. thats ok.
but for laughs. bulk is when you supplement the spawn with more water to increase yield.
a casing is a tool the grower uses to control surface conditions for pinning.
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if it makes no difference in the yield? Why would you bother consolidating the substrate at all if according to you, it had all it needs right out of the jar
i never said that, and i dont consolidate substrates.
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why would anyone pasteurize a ton of cow shit, when they could just as easily case with verm and give it the same amount of water, if it makes no difference in the yield?
you can. its called the rez tek. but you spawn to verm, not case with it.
ass.
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: mushboy]
#24280363 - 04/29/17 12:58 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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im speaking from experience..
you are speaking from..
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Hunter S Hoffman said: I was under the impression bulk substrates contain lots of nutrients hence the higher yield. I believe I've read RR explicitly state Coco coir is a bulk substrate and contains lots of nutrients I think you out have casing and bulk confused.
some shit you read. and do you really think we are confusing casings and bulk substrates?
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Hunter S Hoffman
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: mushboy]
#24280385 - 04/29/17 01:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said: im speaking from experience..
you are speaking from..
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Hunter S Hoffman said: I was under the impression bulk substrates contain lots of nutrients hence the higher yield. I believe I've read RR explicitly state Coco coir is a bulk substrate and contains lots of nutrients I think you out have casing and bulk confused.
some shit you read. and do you really think we are confusing casings and bulk substrates?

For one that wasn't even addressed to you, but a earlier poster. Secondly
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RogerRabbit said: Bulk substrates are substances we spawn our fully colonized rye grains or cakes into, in order to increase the size of the medium. RR
Funny, I didn't read much about water in that post. Maybe your right and RR is wrong, I'm sure that's very likely (Sarcasm)
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: Hunter S Hoffman]
#24280390 - 04/29/17 01:24 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushrooms are 90%+ water. thats whats in that 'medium' ...water.
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Hunter S Hoffman
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: mushboy]
#24280395 - 04/29/17 01:25 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said: im speaking from experience..
you are speaking from..
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Hunter S Hoffman said: I was under the impression bulk substrates contain lots of nutrients hence the higher yield. I believe I've read RR explicitly state Coco coir is a bulk substrate and contains lots of nutrients I think you out have casing and bulk confused.
some shit you read. and do you really think we are confusing casings and bulk substrates?

Excusee me for following the advice of a clearly superior grower. I guess I'm in the wrong place, I thought this was a place leople go to read and learn. I guess I'm wrong just another forum of fat headed children who spam their memes and think they're the shit. Funny how it took you this long to even state your reasoning (only after I asked you to), you're to busy being rude and shitty to others for no good reason
By the way nice TC tag, it's almost like it's not there
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: Hunter S Hoffman]
#24280400 - 04/29/17 01:31 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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and shhhh. ppl will be on to the whole 'supporter tag looking like a mod' thing.. geez. way to ruin it for me.
and im trying to look like a mod, not a tc. double geezz.
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Hunter S Hoffman
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: mushboy]
#24280405 - 04/29/17 01:33 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said: mushrooms are 90%+ water. thats whats in that 'medium' ...water.
So what difference does it make if water is being given to the cakes by vermiculite than horse manure. Assuming they both have the same amount of water, they both should yield the same following your logic (the question you have yet to answer). If water is what matters why fuss with manure when you get a bag of verm? If the same amount of water is added to each, why is the bulk substrate consistently higher yielding?
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Hunter S Hoffman
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: mushboy]
#24280406 - 04/29/17 01:36 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said:

and shhhh. ppl will be on to the whole 'supporter tag looking like a mod' thing.. geez. way to ruin it for me.
and im trying to look like a mod, not a tc. double geezz.
I wasn't referring to that, I simply stating I'd rather follow the advice of someone who has proven themselves to be proficient at growing, rather than the way you interpret them.
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: Hunter S Hoffman]
#24280408 - 04/29/17 01:36 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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because it has more water.
you can grow huge shrooms of tiny substrates just as long as you pump it with water.
surface area or size of the medium(substarte) does not equal more yield either.
people dont spawn straight to verm because its too expensive. and kind hard to keep the surface moist and glistening.
and you are jumping to conclusions. and nobody spawns cakes to hpoo. the repeated use of that shows that you are a newbie and have no clue what you are talking about. just going off assumptions you drew off shit you read thats older then my cats.
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: mushboy]
#24280425 - 04/29/17 01:45 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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this is going nowhere.
you want more mushrooms? add more water. how do you add more water? in a bulk substrate.
if nutes in a bulk sub is what gives you bigger yields then why use grains/cakes at all? just colonize hpoo straight from spores and grow massive amounts of shrooms.
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Hunter S Hoffman
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: mushboy]
#24280428 - 04/29/17 01:47 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said: if nutes in a bulk sub where what gave you bigger yields then why use grains at all? just colonize hpoo straight from spores and grow massive shrooms.
Because you're going to have a damn hard time getting spores to germinate in such an environment. People have successfully skipped grains using only LC and bulk and have had great results.
Edited by Hunter S Hoffman (04/29/17 01:49 AM)
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: Hunter S Hoffman]
#24280432 - 04/29/17 01:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hunter S Hoffman said: People have successfully skipped grains using only LC and bulk and have had great results.
where?
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Hunter S Hoffman
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: mushboy]
#24280440 - 04/29/17 01:53 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said: because it has more water.
you can grow huge shrooms of tiny substrates just as long as you pump it with water.
surface area or size of the medium(substarte) does not equal more yield either.
people dont spawn straight to verm because its too expensive. and kind hard to keep the surface moist and glistening.
and you are jumping to conclusions. and nobody spawns cakes to hpoo. the repeated use of that shows that you are a newbie and have no clue what you are talking about. just going off assumptions you drew off shit you read thats older then my cats.
Once again I used it as an example. And you can get 50lb bag of verm at home Depot for 3 bucks, you must be really poor to find that expensive. And you do understand that most of that water goes away when you dry the fruits. It doesn't magically turn into a mushroom. Hence the reason wet weight is 10x dry weight.
The reason people don't spawn to vermiculite isnt because it doesn't glisten it's because the mycelium won't colonize it because it contains no nutrients.
Edited by Hunter S Hoffman (04/29/17 01:58 AM)
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: Hunter S Hoffman]
#24280447 - 04/29/17 01:57 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hunter S Hoffman
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: mushboy]
#24280469 - 04/29/17 02:08 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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Hunter S Hoffman said: People have successfully skipped grains using only LC and bulk and have had great results.
where?
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agar said:
    Above is LC to bulk substrate. But, substrate is a specialized custom compost. And, it was done in a specialized container.
It's not easy but can be done. Oh and it it's from another TC so I'll take thier word for it
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: mushboy]
#24280473 - 04/29/17 02:12 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Can you use old and exhausted BRF cakes to spawn a Monotub substrate with? [Re: Hunter S Hoffman]
#24280630 - 04/29/17 05:44 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hunter S Hoffman said:
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mushboy said:
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Hunter S Hoffman said: People have successfully skipped grains using only LC and bulk and have had great results.
where?
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agar said:
    Above is LC to bulk substrate. But, substrate is a specialized custom compost. And, it was done in a specialized container.
It's not easy but can be done. Oh and it it's from another TC so I'll take thier word for it
Is that just a damn Chinese food to-go container? If so, my GH is getting put to use!
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