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Monotube - growing from the bottom
    #24274994 - 04/27/17 03:39 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Hi there!
Just recently started my 2nd apporoach to PC cultivation. I have 5 monotubs, colonized rye grain, then mixed with vermiculite, left to colonize and then covered also with verm. Everything went smoothly and there are no signs of contamination.
Yesterday some pins showed up, but very little of them and only on the sides of the monotubs (see photos). Now my monotubs are transparent. I only used duct tape to block light from the sides, but left the bottom transparent so that I can look whats going on there. As they are stacked one on top of another, and their covers are not transparent I figured it would be ok and the light wouldnt produce pins from the bottom of the substrate.

It turns out I was wrong. Today I looked on the bottom of each of them and there were two shrooms - one the size of a palm and one the size of a thumb. I cut both of them.

I suspect there may be two reasons for this - one is the cover layer (is that what its called in english) is not colonised enough - now when I look at the photos on this board I think it is wasnt ready yet when i switched on the light. The second is some light got to the bottom of the monotubs and initialized pinning.

Now I am leaving for a week and will leave the tubs unattended, and I'd rather avoid seeing sth like this:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18320599#18320599
when I go back :P
So what do i do? Do I turn the monotub cake upside down or do I just let them grow where they want?

Oh, and when I harvested those two I mentioned I disturbed the cake a little on the sides - a little part of it kinda... fell apart. About 10cm x 5cm. Will it be any problem or will just colonize?

When harvesting I worked as clean as could be.

I post some photos.
The first number on the photo is the number of a tub.
I post only 3 tubs. Others look pretty much the same.


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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: stryer]
    #24275727 - 04/27/17 11:32 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

If you look at my Posts, my tub, the mini, did the same thing. I flipped it.
And part of it broke.
I put it in its spot, it grew back together.
Got three more flushes.
They started growing on the bottom again after that, so I tossed it in a houseplant.
Got another flush lol
Do you know how to flip it?
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Edited by mynakedrat (04/27/17 11:38 AM)

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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24275730 - 04/27/17 11:34 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

surface looks really dry.

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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: mushboy]
    #24275737 - 04/27/17 11:36 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Monotub no such thing as a monotube dont start that shit again.


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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24275743 - 04/27/17 11:38 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Just noticed that :smile:

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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24275744 - 04/27/17 11:39 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

It's not about light it's about providing the proper micro climate. It's believed that light is not a pinning trigger. Evaporation/micro-climate and full colonization are the only pinning triggers that really matter.

It's pinning on the bottom because the micro climate is better down there.


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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: Organic_Magic]
    #24275761 - 04/27/17 11:45 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Mono tub, not tube haha

Light is good at all stages, don't bother blocking light from the sides. Light doesn't cause side pins

You don't need a liner either

Maintained proper surface conditions will avoid side and bottom pinning

Which you can do in completely unmodified tubs


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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24275774 - 04/27/17 11:52 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: mushboy]
    #24275811 - 04/27/17 12:07 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24275834 - 04/27/17 12:15 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Monotube's back in style everyone.

Surface is super dry, and as you may now notice, whatever you did to the outside doesn't stop side pins.


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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24275840 - 04/27/17 12:16 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Bodhi, what's the ambient RH where you live and how often do you have to check and maintain an unmodified tub?

I read that the lids should be cracked during the day and sealed up during night time hours, but are you having to look and watch the sub on a regular basis to maintain surface conditions?


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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: HamHead]
    #24275848 - 04/27/17 12:19 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

10-20% in the winter.

check once or twice a day. I work and sleep too.

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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24276003 - 04/27/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Come on guys! Didn't you know "monotube" comes from "montubek", which is an ancient Kyrgyz word for "a home of the spirits". I'm bringing it back!

So, if I improve surface conditions (hydrate) will it start colonizing the surface more, or did the colonization stop once it started to produce pins? Or are the two independent?

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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: stryer]
    #24276017 - 04/27/17 01:13 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Monotube actually come from the german version of monotub iirc. It used to annoy all of us as every fucker was calling it monotube.


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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24276063 - 04/27/17 01:29 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Mycelium won't colonize vermiculite because it has little to no nutrients for the myc to feed on.

It looks like you used 100% vermiculite as a cover layer. (Correct term would be casing layer)
Vermiculite does not make for a great casing layer and it's really hard to gauge your surface conditions when your substrate is covered with verm.
It's important that you are able to monitor your surface conditions because your substrate will only pin where the conditions are favourable (properly hydrated)

Check out the link in my signature for reference on proper surface conditions. :awesomenod:

If you want to use a casing layer you can try casing with coir or pasturized peat mixed with verm at spawn.

Next time you spawn a tub you should try lining it with a plastic bag (clear thin garbage bag will work perfectly fine)
A liner is a great way to combat side pins. It sticks to the side and bottom of your substrate as it shrinks so even if the sides and bottom are getting all the light in the world you still won't see pins forming there :thumbup:


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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: ComebackKid]
    #24276412 - 04/27/17 04:04 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

ComebackKid, thank you very much for this answer. I've browsed a little bit through the shroomery and your surface moisture tutorial and that will be much help in the next attempt.

Still wondering what to do with the monotubs though. I sprayed casing layer with water, they are a lot more moist now. Shall I leave the monotubs like they are or flip the cake?

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Re: Monotube - growing from the bottom [Re: stryer]
    #24276482 - 04/27/17 04:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

No problem man.
I wouldn't bother flipping anything. You've done all you can do now just keep an eye on it and let it run its course. Misting when needed :thumbup:


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