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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: clockwork228]
    #24268592 - 04/24/17 02:26 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Your plant looks quite spindly to me as though it hasn't been getting enough light which would account for the light color of the leaves too.  Can you lift the blinds to get some more light through that window?

What is the humidity level in your room ?  You may not need the humidity cover as it will block some light. If your room is dry I would leave it on though.

I repot my new plants as soon as I get them but I don't know if that is good or bad. I would leave yours a bit as the stem looks pretty thin to me. Give it some more light but don't go crazy with direct sunshine just yet. Again it depends how North or South you are. My plants have been doing OK with direct sunlight but in the hight of the summer the noon day sunlight is too much for the leaves. You can spot the damage to the leaves as they take on a sort of purple hue when damaged by to much sun.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: Browser]
    #24268694 - 04/24/17 03:25 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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More light mostly. I'm not a fan of tents. I'd slowly acclimatize it.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: d0urd3n]
    #24268830 - 04/24/17 04:38 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Ya, it was pretty spindly when it arrived as well. In fact, the stem was entirely bent over, reaching back toward the soil when I got it, which I assumed was due to it living in a box for a few days in transit.

I went ahead and lifted the blinds all the way open. Also, I have a fluorescent light in the 6500k range that I've used for growing mushrooms in the past. Would that work as a light source if I hung it right above the plant or would it be too much?

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: clockwork228]
    #24268908 - 04/24/17 05:13 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

My plants have not been bent when they arrived by mail here. I think the spindly stem on yours is not helping but I am sure that yours will thrive with more light. 

I would try the extra light and see. If you notice the leaves going sort of purple then you can reduce the lighting but I doubt if indoor light will be strong enough to do any damage.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: Browser]
    #24268926 - 04/24/17 05:19 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Since you mentioned mushrooms,  I always start my cuttings off in an sgfc and this provides a great humidity chamber.  I have never lost a cutting this way.

What is the humidity in your house? If it is 50% I would not use the humidity bag.  If it is 10% (Arizona) then you would need the bag  The leaves don't look like high humidity leaves to me.  High humidity leaves are normally more crinkly in my experience

Your leaves are very jagged on the edges.. I haven't seem that before - not a problem but interesting to see.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: Browser]
    #24268938 - 04/24/17 05:25 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

HI Folks
After a long dry winter indoors I think it is starting to get warm enough to move my Sally's outside where the air will be considerably more humid. Anybody have a reference point for how cold is too cold for Salvia .. obviously we don't do 32 F / 0 C...
But can she do say 45 - 55 F?

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: Browser]
    #24269350 - 04/24/17 08:36 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

Thanks for the advice Browser. I'll give her some more light over the next few days and see how that goes. I actually considered something similar at first before I realized that I don't have an sgfc anymore after moving to monos. I'll report back with progress!


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: clockwork228]
    #24270275 - 04/25/17 09:30 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

Yeah start the 6500k about 2 feet away. Gradually over a week or 2 you can move it to one foot away or so.

They do alright as low as my hygrometer reading 40 percent without a tent.

I've always read mid to high 40s are fine at night psilo but I've never tried it myself. I plan on doing it this year though. Keep us posted


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish]
    #24272180 - 04/26/17 02:18 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Jellyfish - I just use tomato feed on the salvias, same as I do my cacti etc (I met an award winning cactus grower who said to use tomato feed).

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: crowseed] * 1
    #24272419 - 04/26/17 07:19 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Very nice cacti

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: Browser]
    #24273145 - 04/26/17 12:44 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

I went ahead and bought a hygrometer and have been taking measurements. Inside of my house, there is about 45% humidity and inside of the tent is about 85%. Is 45% low enough to grow without a tent? If so, I think I'll still take some time to acclimate her to the lower humidity.

After a few days of giving my girl more light (10-12 hours/day with a 6500k about 2 feet away), she looks about the same as the pictures I posted before. I haven't watered her since getting her in the mail last week because the soil still seems moist. I was planning on making a soil mix of 4 parts potting soil, 2 parts peat moss, 1 part vermiculite and 1 part perlite (as per Leander Valdes) then moving her to a bigger pot later today although I'm not sure if this is premature. What do you think?


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: clockwork228]
    #24273444 - 04/26/17 02:29 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

What a nice surprise, finding this thread here! My sallies have been with me for two years now, albeit for several subsequent generations. This winter was really rough on them as I had the bright idea to try giving them a few months in 12/12 while they weren't doing so well and they damn near died (they also lost their ability to root, temporarily, apparently).
So of course when I moved them out of [a grow tent] we were getting only 4 hours of natural, overcast sunlight each day. Through the window.

And curtains.


Anyway, one of my three plants has made a sufficient recovery now that spring is finally here and I've already successfully rooted one cutting.
Here it the day after transplanting looking sad as fuck:



Also, the previously mentioned unhappy mother



The rest look so unhappy they would make Rob Lowe commit suicide, so I won't bother sharing photos of them. O shit whaddup!

Disclaimer: I probably made it sound like I don't give two shits about the plants while in reality that's not the case. I think it's an honor to grow these and the day I am forced to stop doing it will be a sad one indeed.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: Wienerwoods]
    #24273764 - 04/26/17 04:21 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Yeah clock they should be fine in that but I would definitely acclimatize slowly. That's what it is in winter for me. I'll check what rH is when I get home.

Also yeah salvia likes well draining soil which you probably already know. You might just try to put it in miracle grow moisture control. Of the 3 or 4 types of kinds I've tried it's worked the best. I got that info from a guy on a now dead salvia forum. Miracle grow seems frowned upon around here just because of the brand. But salvia really likes it. You could switch once she's healthy with more clones going. Just an idea if you're trying to play it safe I know that soil is good.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: d0urd3n]
    #24274335 - 04/26/17 08:04 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

I repotted one of my struggling plants today. It is pretty much a long stem with a few malshaped leaves. In the repotting process one of the  two leaf stalks came off and I decided to try and see if it will root. I have it in wet soil in my sgfc right now. It is the smallest cutting I have ever tried, about an inch of stalk with 2 small leaves. Fingers crossed that it survives.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: crowseed]
    #24282658 - 04/29/17 09:52 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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Jellyfish - I just use tomato feed on the salvias, same as I do my cacti etc (I met an award winning cactus grower who said to use tomato feed).




Thanks man I'll start that.

Guys check out the progress on the nodes I planted of the sallys I threw out. I'm very happy. Not I have to climitize them. Was going to put them in regular potting soil with extra perlite once I feel they can be moved. They all have roots, if I gently pull on them I am faced with a lot of resistance. They are still in a humidity chamber with a ton of holes drilled in it to discourage rot. So, so, so happy I didn't lost my sallys when I threw the sick ones out. I have one left which has some nice new growth. Neem oil seemed to really help.



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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish] * 1
    #24288785 - 05/02/17 04:22 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Excellent job Jellyfish :smile:

I lost a couple of nodes to rot (I isolated them as soon as they showed signs, but neither made it), but here are the others. They generally look better and are less trouble than the cuttings I took at the same time (now also potted up). A few were a bit deprived of light, so they're behind the others, but should catch up.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: crowseed]
    #24288910 - 05/02/17 07:14 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Excellent job Jellyfish :smile:

I lost a couple of nodes to rot (I isolated them as soon as they showed signs, but neither made it), but here are the others. They generally look better and are less trouble than the cuttings I took at the same time (now also potted up). A few were a bit deprived of light, so they're behind the others, but should catch up.






Thanks bud. Sorry to hear about the rot. A couple of mine dried up completely so I watered them. They are in promix seed starting soil which is very loose and peaty. I think I will take them out one at a time. I don't live where I keep my plants because I didn't want to move all my lights and shit when I moved so I can't be there to remove the humidity done everyday but there are many many holes drilled in the top. I need to get them all out into pots so I can use the tray to start my big bend loph seeds and some more peruvian torch, texana lophs and caespitose lophs but I have limited space. They all seem to have roots despite some not drying out since I planted the nodes which feels like about month ago. Worried about rot for those ones. Real afraid once I take them out they'll die. Living in a place where it's very dry in winter then super humid in summer, they might flourish until winter hits.

Fuck I have to pasteurise some soil because one of my family members (who tried to argue with me all plants are grown from seed) after promising me to only grow plants from seed in my grow space, is itching to start his garden and everytime he his I have to throw out plants (like umm 50 peyote and 3 salvias this year) because he doesn't understand that insect eggs stay dormant until you water them, have no natural predators inside except the centipedes he lays traps for, and refuses to let me buy ladybugs even if I keep them in an enclosed terrarium. Whatever, not my house. Just sick of fucking insects. Neem oil seems to be helping and he's really against end-all (pyrethrum) as well despite it showing minimal mammilian toxcicity. Good thing I haven't consumed salvia since I was a teen because I don't want to smoke sprayed leaves anyways.

Sorry for long post. Coffee. But I will have more pics coming. I am so, so, so grateful I didn't lose all my plants. I can't believe even stem pieces with no leaves ended up looking so good so quickly. I have a mini indoor greenhouse I've been too lazy to set up but now might be the time, if the first plant I remove from the humidity tent dies. Just not sure how I'd control it. I looked into ultrasound and shit back when I actually had time to grow mushrooms and it seemed like a pain in the ass.

My last adult salvia, week ago:



Month and a half ago:



Might be time for another repot and some tomato feed but last time I re-potted I ended up with thrips and shit digging in the soil the end-all/neem eventually quenched for a while but fuck, I'm pasteurizing my soil. Pillow case in 70 C water, don't care if it drains the nutes if I'm going to be fertilizing anyways. Could do it in jars like people do for mushroom spawn but I dunno. Seems like a pain in the ass.

tl/dr: gotta up my garden game boys

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish]
    #24289697 - 05/02/17 01:09 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Happy to say I've finally got my own little sally going! She's throwing up shoots from the base, although she's only got one of the original 4 leaves that were there when she came in the mail(and the final one seems to be getting ready to drop, the spot where it joins the stem is more like a hinge at this point than a solid connection, wobbles up and down with the slightest breeze). I'll post up some pics later, but I'm pumped to finally have luck with this plant.

I tried last year, got sent an unrooted cutting from Florida in the middle of summer, it lasted about a week before completely dying. This one I recieved about a week ago, already rooted, and I've already got her adjusted to room humidity(I did it pretty quick, probably why I lost 3/4 leaves lol)

She gets light from two flourescents(and a bit from the windows about a foot above where my plants sit), one cool white and one "Grow light", both purchased at wally world. I put her in the window a few times for a few hours, just to get used to higher light levels. Eventually I want to stick her in the ground during the summers, and repot her for the winter, just to try and maximize growth and the number of cuttings I can make. I'll wait until I have 3-4 clones established before trying that though.

Is it possible to wrap some damp cotton around the stem of the plant for air layering, and to get roots before taking the cutting? I'm wondering if I can do so on the stem of the original cutting, just above the shoots, and have another established plant within a month, rather than waiting for her to get big enough for babies.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: InebriaveritSaepe]
    #24296256 - 05/04/17 09:30 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Hey salvia growers. After repotting my salvia, it seems to be making good progress. However, it seems that I have a fungus gnat problem. I noticed a couple larva yesterday and just found 2 adults flying around my humidity tent. I've read a few different methods for managing fungus gnats and wanted to ask if anyone has successfully dealt with them before. I may just have to acclimate the salvia outside sooner than I expected.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: clockwork228]
    #24296370 - 05/04/17 10:40 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I took cuttings and quarantined them elsewhere. Then grew them out and chucked the infected ones. Maybe I just got lucky. I heard people putting sand on the top of the soil a few cm deep.

They're a pain, I've had them a few times and just kind of weathered the storm.

Not the best advice I'm sure others have better methods. :shrug:


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