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mushhiehunter
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#24272820 - 04/26/17 10:32 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey guys, so I know everyone here hates grow-kits but I decided to buy one and now I'm contemplating about using it just to get more spawn. Should I use half of the grow-kit to crumble into rye jars and let the other half fruit? Should I let it fruit and make a clone from a fruit?? What would you do?
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TheLastResort
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I wouldn't waste my time, I think you'd be lucky to get half the jars to colonize without any contams. I'd throw it out.
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I crumble All the cakes now
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Clone a fruit to agar get a clean culture to a liquid inoculant or just take the agar straight to grain. Get a good master and grain to grain transfer until you have pounds of spawn. Turn pounds of spawn into pounds of mushrooms.
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TheLastResort
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I think I'm confused lol are the jars colonized and now you're asking what you should do?
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He has a fully colonized kit that he can fruit now. You can't crumble that shit to rye because it's likely covered in contaminated spores and ones they hit sterile wet grain it would be a contaminated mess.
The only thing to do is fruit, clone on agar, and inoculate grains with said agar cultures.
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You can crumble into coir
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mushhiehunter
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Organic_Magic said: He has a fully colonized kit that he can fruit now. You can't crumble that shit to rye because it's likely covered in contaminated spores and ones they hit sterile wet grain it would be a contaminated mess.
The only thing to do is fruit, clone on agar, and inoculate grains with said agar cultures.
I don't understand why should it be contaminated? The box has a filter and since it's fully colonized without signs of contams it should be fine, no?
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mynakedrat said: You can crumble into coir
Nah I want to end up with clean master, not shrooms yet
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TheLastResort
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Well I hoped to end my "look like a dumbass" streak yet so far no dice, oh well. I would fruit it or do what magic said and do some agar work.
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TheLastResort said: Well I hoped to end my "look like a dumbass" streak yet so far no dice, oh well. I would fruit it or do what magic said and do some agar work.

Fruit the whole thing. You want your spawn ratio to be correct. Then clone the best fruits.
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mushhiehunter
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Re: Question [Re: CapnZ]
#24272924 - 04/26/17 11:10 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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CapnZ said:
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TheLastResort said: Well I hoped to end my "look like a dumbass" streak yet so far no dice, oh well. I would fruit it or do what magic said and do some agar work.

Fruit the whole thing. You want your spawn ratio to be correct. Then clone the best fruits.
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Just fruit it get some prints have a trip or two or four then do it right next time.
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mrmazdarx9 said: Just fruit it get some prints have a trip or two or four then do it right next time.
I have a monotub going meanwhile but the genetics I used just weren't good. It took really long to colonize the jars so I want to clone a nice fruit from this commercial kit expecting it to have good genetics...
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honestly ive seen some insane kits.. thats not a terrible idea if the vendor kits use any iso/cloned genetics.

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mushhiehunter
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Re: Question [Re: mushboy]
#24273368 - 04/26/17 02:03 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said: honestly ive seen some insane kits.. thats not a terrible idea if the vendor kits use any iso/cloned genetics.
 
I believe that they have to use isolate... anything else would be just a big pain in the ass on an industrial scale...
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Vendors use multispore, isolating on an industrial scale would be unprofitable id imagine unless they wacked up the price. Its not exactly a massive industrial enterprise just some guy shooting spores into a bunch of cakes.
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mrmazdarx9 said: Vendors use multispore, isolating on an industrial scale would be unprofitable id imagine unless they wacked up the price. Its not exactly a massive industrial enterprise just some guy shooting spores into a bunch of cakes.

Exactly. Most of these vendors are not part of the industrial complex. They are not operating in 1000K buildings with massive labs. They are small to medium operations.
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Re: Question [Re: CapnZ]
#24273613 - 04/26/17 03:27 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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if i were to make kits i used a master clone of a one flush wonder and offer half off for returning customers.
MS into cakes style seems to ..low brow? i dunno. probably right.
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mushhiehunter
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Re: Question [Re: mushboy]
#24275064 - 04/27/17 05:47 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok I'm quite sure they use an isolate, here's my train of thought: I know they use rye grain to make the grow kit. How on earth could they use multispore without ending up with like 40% contam rate? All they need to do is clone->isolate->shitload of LC-> profit... Why would they risk the high contam probability with rye? If I'm wrong, kindly correct me.
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