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GORDO-WARDO
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Early broken veils, mushrooms still small?
#24271145 - 04/25/17 04:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seems like I have an issue with veils breaking too early, while the mushrooms are still growing
As labeled on the photo:
1: veil broke a few days ago, my current biggest mushroom (bad angle) 2: veil just recently broke, seems pretty tiny to have already broken 3: veil broke only halfway as a tiny pin, has continued to grow with the veil only half broken
Am I wrong in that these things should be growing bigger before reaching the veil breaking stage?
Ps you are looking at double stacked 1/2 pint of cakes
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: GORDO-WARDO]
#24271156 - 04/25/17 04:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd say it's most likely one of two things - too wet, or genetics.
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GORDO-WARDO
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: mycomattie]
#24271166 - 04/25/17 04:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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mycomattie said: I'd say it's most likely one of two things - too wet, or genetics.
Interesting. I've been bottom-watering pretty liberally as they have been soaking it up. Maybe I should chill on that
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: GORDO-WARDO]
#24271171 - 04/25/17 04:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yah those kinda look like over saturated shorties.
happens with bulk spawning. id lay off any watering and let em grow out.
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: GORDO-WARDO] 1
#24271173 - 04/25/17 04:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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over-saturation causes mushies to open veils early
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GORDO-WARDO
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: Ziran]
#24271176 - 04/25/17 04:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sounds like we have consensus! I will hold off on bottom watering for a bit. I assume I should continue misting though?
Thanks a ton guys
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: GORDO-WARDO]
#24271180 - 04/25/17 04:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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nah. just let those grow out.
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: mushboy]
#24271186 - 04/25/17 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok sorry for being a little slow as it's my first grow, but I'm assuming I should go back to misting at some point, yes? Or not til this "flush" is done?
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: GORDO-WARDO]
#24271194 - 04/25/17 05:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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wait till those grow. mist as needed.. if other cakes need it, go for it. but lay off that one until those grow.
just my opinion. maybe wait for someone else just in case im insane
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: Ziran]
#24271396 - 04/25/17 06:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ziran said: over-saturation causes mushies to open veils early
Yep both indoor cube grows and a bulk of wild psilocybes with an exception for ovoideocystidiata and azurescens.
OP, when you stack them like that you kind of throw the mycelium into a state of confusion. They were good and ready to grow and have now found friends. Stop stacking them and stop bottom watering, mist as needed, wait until they dry a bit until misting again. Bottom watering is great in some instances but in others, especially if you put verm in the lid, will only cause the mycelium to branch out like a casing and inhibit fruiting. Source: my experiments.
Also you can just put the cakes on the lids (not bands) in lieu of foil or whatever it is you're trying to accomplish. Standing water is never a good thing especially cakes, which are really sometimes inherently bacterial from spore solution.
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: Adden]
#24271436 - 04/25/17 06:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the insight
As far as my lids setup, that's per a tek on here by "comebackkid" for the bottom watering. Per that tek, I had been rinsing the lid at least daily to avoid standing water contam. That being said, I will chill out on the bottom watering for a bit
As for the double stacking. That comes from my poor planning/lack of calculation as far as tub size goes. I'm adding the later colonizing batch of cakes today, for 19 total cakes (will be 1 more in a few days). Simply not room in my tub to not double stack unfortunately.
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: GORDO-WARDO]
#24271507 - 04/25/17 07:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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too much moisture got me this
and (probly) got me some trich on a 12qt tub
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: GORDO-WARDO]
#24271707 - 04/25/17 08:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should really only bottom water when:
1) Cakes aren't pinning and have lost verm layer. (You can even dunk and reroll in the rarest of cases.. I've done this when they've gone bacterial and absorbed the verm).
2) Cakes weren't consolidated and need more water than misting can give, and you don't want to mist fruits so you sit it in a shallow pan for a little while.
3) Cakes are trying to push out big boys but don't have enough water and you don't want to mist fruits.
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: Adden] 1
#24271741 - 04/25/17 09:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good info
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: Germs] 1
#24271783 - 04/25/17 09:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree !
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: john_conner]
#24272057 - 04/26/17 12:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So is it just me or are there no holes visible in the wall on the chamber in that pic? Is this a true SGFC? These guys do look like they're long and skinny too, as if they're low on fae.
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: Mad Season]
#24272059 - 04/26/17 12:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good eye I didn't notice that.
I messaged CBK and linked this thread maybe he can help.
But yes MadSeason has a sharp eye. If that's not a sgfc then your work will be worth next to nothing.
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: GORDO-WARDO]
#24272082 - 04/26/17 12:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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GORDO-WARDO said: ok sorry for being a little slow as it's my first grow, but I'm assuming I should go back to misting at some point, yes? Or not til this "flush" is done?
im waiting for someone with massive balls to come in here and tell me what a "flush" is as well since ive been at this for over a year and all my stuff seems to put veil opening shrooms out day after day Regardless of if its a tray/cake etc. And nothing seems to follow this "harvest...wait...harvest shit that is heavily implicated over and over.
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: ichugwindex]
#24272093 - 04/26/17 12:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Try limiting down the genetics with clones or isolates. You'll see a true flush, provided conditions are good too.
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Re: Early broken veils, mushrooms still small? [Re: Mad Season]
#24272099 - 04/26/17 12:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Try limiting down the genetics with clones or isolates. You'll see a true flush, provided conditions are good too.
Im actually trying to narrow some stuff down with agar now. You telling me that ms differs THAT much? Genuinly asking because this has been upseting me lately but i know theres no way you guys are talking out your asses THAT much since its like a collective effort
That being said most of my stuff has been started with inner tissue samples etc, but not OMG ON AGAR stuff till recently
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Edited by ichugwindex (04/26/17 12:52 AM)
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