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    #24270873 - 04/25/17 02:51 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I have a SGFC that I keep in my closet but am having trouble keeping the humidity between 90%-100%. Should I soak the perlite again? Or maybe a humidifier that I can post either outside the door or inside the closet.

It's been about a week since the first pin on one of my cakes but doesn't seem to be growing. The cakes usually have a blue tint to it from dehydration but have been misting more 5+ times a day and fanning about 60secs each time I misthink, as well as fanning an additional time or two. Thoughts?

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Re: RH questions [Re: LostGnome1]
    #24270882 - 04/25/17 02:55 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Stop worrying abt humidity.
If you set the sgfc properly, with adequate perlite, and right size, and holes, your humidity is perfect.
The only humidity that counts us right on the surface of your cakes anyway, which you can't measure.
Just mist if it looks dry or discolored.
Soak the perlite if it feels dry, sometimes that happens quickly. Stick your finger in and check.
Don't rely on a humidity reading device. They don't work for this.

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Re: RH questions [Re: mynakedrat]
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Re: RH questions [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24270890 - 04/25/17 02:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

And you don't fan a shotgun
It's made for air flow already. Your drying it out.

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Re: RH questions [Re: mynakedrat]
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Re: RH questions [Re: LostGnome1]
    #24270894 - 04/25/17 03:00 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

That sounds very wild. What is your ambient temperature in your house?

Also, I would imagine that all of the cloth and such in your closet is soaking up the moisture. You want air flow happening to utilize the SGFC holes, but maybe tenting it in a larger loose bag is an option.

I look forward to seeing what our myco-theologians have to say about this here.

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Re: RH questions [Re: McGrimm]
    #24270903 - 04/25/17 03:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

You don't put a sgfc in a tent either.

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Re: RH questions [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24270911 - 04/25/17 03:08 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Temp is usually 78 degrees. So should I take the chamber out of my closet?

Or keep closet door open and just pay closer attention to how dry the cakes look?

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Re: RH questions [Re: LostGnome1]
    #24270923 - 04/25/17 03:15 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I have a SGFC that I keep in my closet but am having trouble keeping the humidity between 90%-100%. Should I soak the perlite again? Or maybe a humidifier that I can post either outside the door or inside the closet.

It's been about a week since the first pin on one of my cakes but doesn't seem to be growing. The cakes usually have a blue tint to it from dehydration but have been misting more 5+ times a day and fanning about 60secs each time I misthink, as well as fanning an additional time or two. Thoughts?



90-100% humidity in the air inside of the fruiting chamber is not what is supposed to be sought after.  If built to specs, the design of the fruiting chamber it's self is all that's needed to upkeep proper humidity levels inside of the fruiting chamber.  Let the tool do the work.

What is desired is that 90-100% humidity level at the surface of the substrates.  Which is obtained by getting the substate's hydration level correct (72-77% a.k.a. "field capacity) before sterilization.  This way the correct RH at the substrate's surface level is maintained by evaporation of water from the substrate directly caused by fresh air exchange.

Also, take the chamber out of the closet.  Allow that thing to breathe.


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Re: RH questions [Re: hamloaf]
    #24270930 - 04/25/17 03:18 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yep take it out. 78 is hot and drying it.

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    #24270946 - 04/25/17 03:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup: nice


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Re: RH questions [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24270949 - 04/25/17 03:24 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

What temp is ideal? Low 70s?

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    #24270954 - 04/25/17 03:26 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

The temps that are comfortable  for living spaces is a good idea. Just comfortable "human" temps

More specifically,  65-72ish, but let's hear some exacts from someone


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Re: RH questions [Re: LostGnome1]
    #24270955 - 04/25/17 03:26 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yep. Whatever good for you, is good for the mush

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Re: RH questions [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24270959 - 04/25/17 03:28 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

And no fanning at all? Just mist cakes 4-5 a day?

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    #24270970 - 04/25/17 03:31 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe 3-4 but just try to be observant of the humidity.


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Re: RH questions [Re: McGrimm]
    #24270975 - 04/25/17 03:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Watch them, check the surface with your eyes, touch them with clean finger.
Dry needs mist, plus the color will be dull
Slightly Moistened is what you want.
Glistening, with a nice sheen
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    #24270987 - 04/25/17 03:35 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

LOL  haaha...and yes. Ew:crazy:


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Re: RH questions [Re: LostGnome1]
    #24270992 - 04/25/17 03:36 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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And no fanning at all? Just mist cakes 4-5 a day?



No.  Other way around.  Fan about 4-6 times a day.  Mist solely for the purpose of maintaining a nice glisten on the surface of the cakes, and to replace moisture lost from the perlite.


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Re: RH questions [Re: hamloaf]
    #24270996 - 04/25/17 03:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Fan a sgfc ham?

You smoking stuff?

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Re: RH questions [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24271001 - 04/25/17 03:40 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

fanning a SGFC is like rolling a window down on a skateboard. any FC that gets automated FAE doesn't need fanning.

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Re: RH questions [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24271006 - 04/25/17 03:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Ah. And here comes the variables, with unique situations and circumstances.  I am liking the intellect exchange here for us noobs.


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    #24271030 - 04/25/17 03:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

My SGFC has 1/4" holes on all 6 sides with 2" spacing. I'm being told contradicting fanning methods. Should I or should I not fan?

And the cakes look gteen in the pics but they're blue.

Should I fan with this setup?
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Re: RH questions [Re: LostGnome1]
    #24271035 - 04/25/17 03:52 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

They're blue due to. Too. Much fanning, too much air flow, too much stress. And not enough water on them Long enough.
It's evapping too quickly

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Re: RH questions [Re: LostGnome1]
    #24271038 - 04/25/17 03:53 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

take a better pic of the cake in the upper left.. bruising?? or trich? its too blurry.

think of fanning like when you would fan yourself.

it dries the sweat on the skin, cooling you right? instead of fanning yourself..go inside.
(have optimal conditions and you dont need to fan)

work on your ambient conditions.:thumbup: normal, room temp and shit.

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Re: RH questions [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24271041 - 04/25/17 03:53 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

you can fan but you don't need to. fanning wont hurt anything. but simply removing the lid to mist is more than enough fanning anyway.

also read a few of these
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Re: RH questions [Re: mushboy]
    #24271049 - 04/25/17 03:55 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

And misting is just a few pumps of the sprayer. Just enough, not saturate.
I misted these 4 times a day, no fanning. Pins all over


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    #24271058 - 04/25/17 03:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

And misting is just a few pumps of the sprayer. Just enough, not saturate.
I misted these 4 times a day, no fanning. Pins all over




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    #24271066 - 04/25/17 04:04 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Here's a better pic of top left cake.


And I guess if perlite gets on cake it's okay?

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Re: RH questions [Re: LostGnome1]
    #24271073 - 04/25/17 04:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Wtf That sure  look like it's growing smurf hair.
Or you fed it markers?

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    #24271081 - 04/25/17 04:09 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Surf hair? I think what you're seeing could be a dog hair that somehow ended up on top of the cake. Tried to remove it but haven't been successful.

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Re: RH questions [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24271088 - 04/25/17 04:13 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

First this is said

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bodhisatta said:
fanning a SGFC is like rolling a window down on a skateboard. any FC that gets automated FAE doesn't need fanning.



Then this is said

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you can fan but you don't need to. fanning wont hurt anything. but simply removing the lid to mist is more than enough fanning anyway.

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Fanning is good.  One needs to be able to achieve the delicate balance between fanning, misting, understanding what roles each task plays, prioritizing them, and adjust accordingly.


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    #24271092 - 04/25/17 04:15 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, if you mist too often

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    #24271093 - 04/25/17 04:15 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

yea, they don't contradict each other :shrug:

and no it's not really that complicated man. a SGFC is a crutch so you can go to work 10 hours a day and sleep 8

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Re: RH questions [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24271100 - 04/25/17 04:17 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Ya'll think these cakes are worth saving? Or should I buy new spores and start again?

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    #24271101 - 04/25/17 04:18 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Try to salvage. And you should have more left correct? How did you start them this time

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    #24271110 - 04/25/17 04:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Actually, my friend started making the cakes but then decided he couldn't farm them after birthing the cakes into the chamber. But he used a combo of flour and vermiculite then inserted a spore syringe. Not sure when exactly but he steamed/boiled the jars at some point. He's a smart dude and looked at many tutorial vids so I'm sure he did everything in the correct order.

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    #24271117 - 04/25/17 04:24 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know if that's bluing or some type of new blue mold you created.
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    #24271120 - 04/25/17 04:25 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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And misting is just a few pumps of the sprayer. Just enough, not saturate.
I misted these 4 times a day, no fanning. Pins all over








im more interested in these cakes laying down. nice fat fucking pins bro.

i dont think fanning does anything but...
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Fanning is good.  One needs to be able to achieve the delicate balance between fanning, misting, understanding what roles each task plays, prioritizing them, and adjust accordingly.





:manofapproval:
is great advice.

and ya, that blue 'bruising' looks suspicious. kinda looks like its fuzzy:uhoh:
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    #24271122 - 04/25/17 04:26 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

All my cakes start pinning on top and bottom. They knock them selves down :shrug:

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    #24271400 - 04/25/17 06:34 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Yep take it out. 78 is hot and drying it.



Heat is not what dries out the substrate.  78F is a good temp for cakes.

The balance of the fresh air to misting ratio is tilted in the favor of too much air, and not enough moisture introduction in this case.  Whether, or not the cakes even started out at the correct moisture capacity is unknown also.

Those cakes look unsalvagable too.  Next time try to fruit more cakes in the fruiting chamber at once.  The more cakes in the the chamber at once, the more they can support each other in maintaining a proper surface moisture evaporation rate if provided the proper amount of air, and misted correctly.


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    #24271408 - 04/25/17 06:36 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I think they were just given to Op, he wasn't able to do much research or had much time before the cakes in question were handed over.
I thought 78 is bacteria/trich/mold. Territory?

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    #24271445 - 04/25/17 06:53 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Great posts and very interesting information from everyone. I'm about to put my first BRF cakes into fruiting tomorrow in a SGFC super excited. Going to try a little of everyones suggestions being that there is a little battle of information going on 

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    #24272091 - 04/26/17 12:40 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Ideally I wouldn't want to go over 75 with colonizing shit, due to the substrates themselves giving off more heat, but in fruiting up to 80 is just fine IME.

Summer time does have more contams though, for that reason. I got no AC lol


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