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eltrkbrd
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1st Grow- Bulk Substrate Question- HPoo & Coir or only HPoo? 1
#6666521 - 03/13/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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SWIM is all ready for the first grow thanks to the wonderful folks here at shroomery.
Can you please advise on what the best ratio's would be for combining the following bulk substrate ingredients?
Swim has the following: * 17 gallon Rubbermaid Stack N' View 18" long x 12" wide x 16" high (Big Lots) * 2 lbs. of outdoor composted HPoo collected from the Local Stable (nice dried nugs, no smell, looks like dried hay balls) * 3 Zoo Med Eco Earth Coir Bricks (from Petco) * Freshly spent Coffee Grounds * Hi-Yield Hydrated Lime & Garden Gypsum (PH Strips that test in the 4.5-9 range will be used) * Vegetable Oil (is Canola oil acceptable?)
Optional (but on hand): * Maxicrop Kelp Extract * Nature's Way Activated Charcoal Powder (280mg per capsule) * Dry Dextrose & Extra Light Dry Malt
It has been suggested that Coir is not needed if HPoo is in free supply but SWIM already has both and is looking for optimal yield and the ideal contam resistant growing substrate.
After Bulk Substrate is colonized, casing will be done with MGMC.
What do you suggest based on the above?
Edited by eltrkbrd (03/13/07 09:03 PM)
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Blutjager
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Re: 1st Grow- Bulk Substrate Question- HPoo & Coir or only HPoo? [Re: eltrkbrd]
#6666677 - 03/13/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I suggest SWIM and AFOF get together and have geh butt secks when they are done a good old fashioned murder suicide should fit the bill quite nicely 
OK now that I got that out of my system onto the question at hand
Since you already have the stack and view I would make a mono tub a la Monster Mitch's tek
Keep it simple and don't drive yourself nuts trying to mix up a perfect mushroom substrate,they will make you more than happy with the poo or the coir or a mixture of the two,go with like 70/30 Hpoo/coir or even 60/30,just enough coir to fluff up the poo,the other ingredients aren't really needed and will only serve to complicate things,Good luck And do let us know how it goes
Edited by Blutjager (03/13/07 09:38 PM)
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Re: 1st Grow- Bulk Substrate Question- HPoo & Coir or only HPoo? [Re: Blutjager]
#6666693 - 03/13/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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O and here is a link to to that Mono tub tek in case you would like to use it http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5930161/an/0/page/0
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Re: 1st Grow- Bulk Substrate Question- HPoo & Coir or only HPoo? [Re: Blutjager]
#6666770 - 03/13/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wouldn't even adulterate that quality composted poo with the coir. No offense to the coir itself, I use it in a pinch, but just mixing it with the poo bulks it up while subtracting from its nutrient punch.
Only use the coir if the poo is very dirt-like and compacted.
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Re: 1st Grow- Bulk Substrate Question- HPoo & Coir or only HPoo? [Re: Blutjager]
#6667853 - 03/14/07 07:22 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks, was already planning on using MM's Monotub Tek.
AFOAF and SWIM say you're invited, just make sure you wear RR's Shroom Bra to the Party!
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Re: 1st Grow- Bulk Substrate Question- HPoo & Coir or only HPoo? [Re: eltrkbrd] 1
#6668407 - 03/14/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm working on the same monotub tek right now. I also had the same questions as you.
My first problem was with my poo being too fresh - best cure was to lay it out on a tarp and water it each morning and let it dry during the day. (Make sure your poo is aged/leached first!!!)
With the slightly fresh poo, I had terrible fermentation problems - stunk to high heaven within 24-48 hour. I waisted tons of grain jars - to avoid this, use aged poo, have good air exchange, and no inncubation temps).
Once my poo was aged, I then knocked up 2 large tubs and 10 small ones with a mix of pure poo, 50% poo and 50% coir, and all coir w/ coffee grounds (some was PCed and spawned in a glove box, others were pasturized).
All of the small casings colonized well and at the same time - so far no contaims.
The large tub w/ 50% poo and 50% coir is also well colonized w/ no signs of contaims.
The pure poo tub however is completely taken over by mean green. I can't be sure of the contamination source though - either improper pasturization, infected grains, or more likely a contaim survived the alcohol wipe on the lid and dropped onto the casing once condensation build up.
Moral of the story - all work well - pure poo, 50%/50%, and pure coir.
Since they all work well, I would stick to either pure poo or poo compost. a 50%/50% mix is OK if poo is running short, and all coir w/ coffe is OK in a pinch and if poo is not available or living conditions (wives/girlfriends/etc.) make working with poo difficult.
MM's Monotub Tek ROCKS - a really really good monotub tek - the best here IMHO.
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Re: 1st Grow- Bulk Substrate Question- HPoo & Coir or only HPoo? [Re: eltrkbrd]
#6668413 - 03/14/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
eltrkbrd said: Thanks, was already planning on using MM's Monotub Tek.
AFOAF and SWIM say you're invited, just make sure you wear RR's Shroom Bra to the Party!
A ha,I cant he wont loan it to me cause he wont take the damn thing off 5 for you For taking a joke
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Re: 1st Grow- Bulk Substrate Question- HPoo & Coir or only HPoo? [Re: eltrkbrd]
#24267436 - 04/23/17 10:45 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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