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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262921 - 04/21/17 10:41 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Hmm a little slow but it's probably because you used a low ratio. I may be wrong but it doesn't exactly scream improper field capacity to me. Hard to tell.


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: mushboy]
    #24262942 - 04/21/17 10:48 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

With that ratio what time should i be looking at for full colonization

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262964 - 04/21/17 10:54 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I got it to field capacity then pillow cased it and  pasteurized it in a steamer chamber inside a larger pot like a shrimp or lobster when i came out and cooled it somehow seemed to be a litte less than capacity so i added some tap water could that do anything bad

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262987 - 04/21/17 11:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

1:2 ratio should be colonized in 4-5 days

Look up the bucket tek. It's a really simple way of prepping cvg.


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: FriedEgg]
    #24263356 - 04/22/17 03:58 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yea I think you should just use CVG next time. If you want higher nutes then just use more spawn.
Every canopy I have ever grown was on coir- you won't necessarily get a better grow from a complex substrate


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: FriedEgg]
    #24263476 - 04/22/17 07:20 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I saw bucket tek i think by damion but then i read evilmushes write up on proper pasteurization and though that was way to go but im at it right now tryin bucket tek but the coir i bought is very large and wont fit in the bucket so im in the process of debating whether i should cut it with a skill saw or throw it in the bath tub, don't really want to store the extra all wet.

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: mushpunx]
    #24263491 - 04/22/17 07:32 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks definitely goin that route. Gameplan is one tub cvg with bucket tek and one with 90 min oven roaster bag pasteurization. Both with 1 to 2 spawn to sub ratio and classic hole pattern on the tubs. Alright off to the races thanks again

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24263686 - 04/22/17 09:55 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

1:2 at a minimum. Yeah get the spawn clean and you probably want to consider not using horse poop anymore. I threw out my last tub I did with manure....green mold. It's all CVG for me from now on.


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24263704 - 04/22/17 10:07 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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BadBrain77 said:
I saw bucket tek i think by damion but then i read evilmushes write up on proper pasteurization and though that was way to go but im at it right now tryin bucket tek but the coir i bought is very large and wont fit in the bucket so im in the process of debating whether i should cut it with a skill saw or throw it in the bath tub, don't really want to store the extra all wet.



:thumbup:
break it up with a large knife or a screwdriver. you can weigh out (650g?) of coir and just follow the bucket tek instructions.


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: FriedEgg]
    #24263729 - 04/22/17 10:20 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: CapnZ]
    #24263745 - 04/22/17 10:36 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup: that one is good but the insulated bucket is not needed. i just use a regular old bucket myself :shrug:


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: FriedEgg]
    #24263761 - 04/22/17 10:42 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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:thumbup: that one is good but the insulated bucket is not needed. i just use a regular old bucket myself :shrug:




To each his own. Use what works man! I like this one but everyone has a favorite.


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: CapnZ]
    #24263980 - 04/22/17 12:28 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks so much for the help i really appreciate it, i had to go back out for new tubs with the 1 to 2 ratio my tubs are to big plus id rather fail small or i should say experiment small, will post some pics of the tubs tomorrow. I also am debating what to do with my spawn from the ms syringes inoculated directly onto rye, it looks so nice and white and clean but i get what everyone is saying about the 2d vs 3d viewing with contams on agar vs grain. I could have contams inside those jars and not even know they're there, what i dont get is how i can g2g them and not see the contams in the second or third generation. I also just ran out of rye and I'm  trying wbs for the first time and right off the bat i see so many different opinions on soak no soak and simmer times . After skimming hollow seeds i still see an inherent problem with equal hydration on such varying sized seeds maybe with different hardnesses of hulls. I think im just gonna re-up my membership at the co-op so i can get more rye. Just didnt want to cough up the 40 bucks

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24264253 - 04/22/17 02:27 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I also wanted to know what the stance is on the temps between 180 and 252. If you go over on your pasteurization temps is it as detrimental as going to low on your sterilization temps?is it all dependent on the sub and the nutrient value And what is the exact pasteurization temps anywhere from 140-180 for an hour or 160- 170 for an hour. i get the volume of material is going to mater on times because of the time its gonna take to get to the center of the tootsie pop but are there more factors that i should consider?

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77] * 1
    #24264871 - 04/22/17 07:19 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

i don't soak my grains. i've never had a need to. FYI don't rinse your grains after you simmer them. just put them in a strainer and let them dry for 30 or 60 minutes. shake out the steam and you're good to go.

pasteurization is maintaining a core temp of 140-160F for 1 hour.


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: FriedEgg]
    #24264918 - 04/22/17 07:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

What is the spawn to sub ratio of Damion's bucket tek anyway, and how is it calculated?  How many quarts is the coir brick and I'm guessing you include the 4 quarts of water as part of the substrate?  Only the verm is clear cut, but you also have the fact that the spawn are "mycoquarts".

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