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Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique.
    #24262568 - 04/21/17 08:11 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Hey all. Been ages. Hope you've all been well. 

I'm starting back up, long way from noobville when it comes to this stuff but I have half an idea for continuous growth I wanted to run by Ya'll. 

My standard operating procedure is spawn bags of popcorn injected with liquid culture (yes I know Rye is awesome but I have an amazing deal on popcorn and have always had good results).

Once these colonize, I spawn to bulk (coir, verm, manure) and pop into 16 quart tubs to colonize further and when ready I toss 6 tubs at a time in the Greenhouse. Wait for fruits. Pretty basic.

My question is this:
Colonizing a bag of popcorn takes roughly 2 or 3 weeks, then the tub I spawn to needs to colonize for another 2 or 3 weeks. 

My thoughts are in making BRF spawn bags along with the popcorn bags(liquid culture again). The assumption is these both would take the usual 3 weeks to fully colonize; only now when I'm spawning to bulk with the popcorn and waiting on the tubs to finish colonizing, the idea is the BRF bags will just be getting ready to pin and fruit in the bags on their own.

My thought process is basically in the 'downtime'  of waiting on my bulks to colonize tubs, I have the pf bags producing. Killing some gaps in production/time.


Does this appear like a sound idea or is it so simple that I'm missing an obvious flaw?

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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: HeavyMetal] * 1
    #24262573 - 04/21/17 08:15 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

How amazing a deal are you getting for popcorn? It's almost as expensive as RGS where I live. I get 100 lbs of animal grade wheat for 20 bucks.

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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24262589 - 04/21/17 08:22 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

About 85c a pound. 

I know it doesn't beat lower cost Rye. I used to use Rye exclusively in bulk, delivered from online...  And then one bag I got... No clue wtf happened but every single spawn bag I made from it contaminated. Frustrated as all hell I went to local store and picked up a few bags of popcorn. Followed same procedures as usual...  No contams.

Not sure if I just had a funky Rye bag or what but ever since I've just always stuck with popcorn. It works for me.


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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #24262611 - 04/21/17 08:32 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Does this appear like a sound idea or is it so simple that I'm missing an obvious flaw?




Sorry I'm awful at mincing words, nothing you said sounds like a good idea.

Do spawn bags if you have a flowhood, they're a bitch in a SAB. Anyway, I don't think you really need spawn bags unless you plan on being a shroom factory, otherwise you can get more shrooms using quart jars than you'll know what to do with.

Pf sub bags, that's just wrong for lots of reasons, don't do it.

LC's yes, but only if you are confident you can do clean LC from clean agar cultures. Judging from your post I guess you want to inoculate your LC's with spores, which is just horrible.

If you want to have continuous grows just do agar, it'll allow you to expand your cultures hugely and you'll always have clean inoculant to work with, then when you master agar, fuck around with LC's as much as you want :thumbup:

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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: Josex]
    #24262641 - 04/21/17 08:43 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure what you mean by inoculate lc with spore. 

For the full run down on bulk, here is what I do.  Again this process has always been successful for me. 

Take multi spore and noc up very small jars of grain.  Less than half full. 

Once fully colonized I use still air box and inject sterile water with a sterile syringe.  Then I shake the jar mercilessly. Then suck up the liquid myc into syringe. 

Then I go through the normal process with grain. Wash, simmer, dry, place into bags and PC. 

Once they are ready, I noc up with the LC.  I wait until colonized. Then I mix this into a 16 q tub of pasteurized poo, coir, Verm. Wait for this to colonize.  Place into Greenhouse (with correct timed humidity) and wait for flushes.


This process works fine for me. 

My question is in regard to PF tek bags.  Is it advisable to make these, pc them, and noc these up with liquid LC.  They sit on a shelf with grains to colonize. Only when the grains are ready to spawn to bulk.. The pf tek bags are fully colonized and ready to start fruiting in the bag in the set it and forget it fashion.


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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: HeavyMetal]
    #24262662 - 04/21/17 08:55 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

What you want to do is called GLC (grain LC), it is an outdated method an very low on the totem pole as far as liquid inoculants go.
I won't go into detail as to why is a rather poor option, I'd rather leave that to you to research and if you can't be bothered to look up information on new (and easy) methods then you probably deserve the GLC, the pf tek bags and all that's coming to you.

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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: Josex]
    #24262677 - 04/21/17 09:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Grain lc's have always worked great for me over the last 10 years.  There might be better methods G2G being one of them,but why change what works for me. 

My main curiosity is the effectiveness of doing a BRF spawn bag with an LC.  I've heard mixed reviews that it is too dense and others say it works just fine.  These Brf bags are just 'bonus' throwaways if anything, but wanted to take a litmus test on the pros and cons.


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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: HeavyMetal]
    #24262680 - 04/21/17 09:05 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

if they are too dense, add coir. problem solved.

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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: HeavyMetal]
    #24262707 - 04/21/17 09:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

idk what you even mean by BRF spawn bags... sounds like a terrible idea vs grain spawn

the point of making spawn is to have lots of little pieces/points of colonized grain to spread the colony, BRF totally misses that

if you always say "x is how i do things, why change it?" then you will have a hard time understanding the pros and cons of various methods of doing things, and when they are called for

you can hear what we are saying or not, but you are doing lots of things that sound like bad ideas... sure, it might work for you, but it works in spite of less-than-ideal technique, not because of it

cubes are incredibly hardy, you have to fuck up BAD to be "unsuccessful". that said, there are well-established ways to be WAY "successful", and then there are things that we have all seen associated with problems enough to recommend against them (like popcorn)

as to your original question: why not just stagger monotubs? that is the easiest way in the world to have continuous harvests, though i prefer to time them so that i dont have to harvest EVERY day... but if thats what you want to do, just manage your schedule well and keep grain spawn ready to go and prep a new monotub every day or 3, you will have continuous harvests in no time, fruits as heavy as Meshuggah :rockon:


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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24262711 - 04/21/17 09:24 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

like, uh, what.. uh do you mean lc?

you mean like spores into LC? thats a bad idea.

you did not mention cleaning up your inoculate at all. spores, LC, corn...'game plan'?? sounds like failure.

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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: mushboy]
    #24262784 - 04/21/17 09:57 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Op if you don't mind me asking whyd you take a hiatuses from growing?

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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: spore-ty]
    #24263313 - 04/22/17 03:19 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

A much better solution would be to stagger your production.

Start spawn , wait X amount of time, start more spawn.
Have spawn in varying stages of colonization.

Cut out the GLC. Its a very poor method.
Learn to culture on agar, and for God's sake lose the popcorn. Wild Bird Seed is cheaper than 85c a pound nan.
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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: mushpunx]
    #24263459 - 04/22/17 07:09 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Let's forget I mentioned popcorn.  I'll continue to use it because it has always worked great, it's clean. I don't need to pre soak for 24 hours. Just simmer and go. It just works for me. I'm happy to pay 80c a pound for the convenience.

I will continue using grain lc's because again, I've never had issues and it works great for me.

These were not things I was asking about. My bulk growing capabilities are fine.

I have a fully automated Greenhouse so no monotubs are needed.


My question is simply the pros and cons of BRF and Verm in a spawn bag. As a throwaway side project that is set it and forget it to produce during the little 2 or 3 week hiatus between tub flushes. If coir can be added to make less dense, etc. That's it. Actual opinions with information. Not just "it's a super bad idea, your whole plan is so terrible" 



To answer spores question, hiatus due to life.  Had cancer in 2015 and all that nonsense, but better now.


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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: HeavyMetal]
    #24263494 - 04/22/17 07:33 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Theres no soak teks for oats all over the place along with agar teks (the right way to go from spores before inoculating ANYTHING else) and they will really help to get your grow doing better. I get that you have been at this a while and you have a method that works for you but I encourage you to listen to some of the advice you are getting here and move your grow into the current decade. As the posters above have stated it would be much smarter to stagger out some bags/tubs than to take a step backwards and make brf bags with coir.


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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: ichugwindex]
    #24263530 - 04/22/17 08:00 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't do brf and verm in a bag.

The other day I took 7 cakes, and 4 jars grain to make a 7q tub.
So, I wanted to crumble the cakes.
Crumbling that many cakes took over an hr.
They are hard as shit to break up, and even with plenty of time in a ziploc, it still ended up in little lumps abt the size of popcorn. I never want to do that again. End result might be OK, but the cakes turn all Grey and blue and do not look healthy while crumbling.
Stick to popcorn. I did too, until I stopped, because i would have random jars get all bacterial  and smell so bad.
Plus, if you look at the spent substrate, the popcorn just doesn't have much surface area for myc to hold onto
And there's a whole Bunch of a Kernel that doesn't even get used. I have a lot of unused kernels in the spent sub.

All brown and corny like that remind you of Anything? 
Humans also cannot digest corn properly, and we have unused corn in our, erm, spent sub.. If you will.
So far Mushrooms like everything my body does, and I don't eat corn.

I wouldn't want my shrooms to either.

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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24263545 - 04/22/17 08:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I completely get that the agar stuff is balls to the wall awesome. Just not where I'm at currently.

Please note... I am NOT using a BRF bag to crumble spawn to bulk. I am simply colonizing and letting it grow in vitro, inside the bag.


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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: HeavyMetal]
    #24263548 - 04/22/17 08:20 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Happy your better

But if thats the case just make a shot ton of bags weekly or monthly and let em do their thing in a room I did that recently not too bad

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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24263560 - 04/22/17 08:28 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

knock yourself out with brf and verm in bags. pf tek goes in da bag. sounds like fun.
you ask 'experienced eyes' to critique. well you have a shit load of critique.

popcorn is a horrible grain choice. even if it were free i wouldnt use it. and 80c per pound is expensive as fuck.


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I will continue using grain lc's because again, I've never had issues and it works great for me.




uh. no they havent. and IMHO, when people use glcs instead of agar its a fall back. just learn agar its worth it. man up

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These were not things I was asking about. My bulk growing capabilities are fine.




bulk is easy. a 2 year old can spawn to bulk. the point is to have CLEAN SPAWN. glcs into popcorn
is some shit you saw on youtube and you are defending it like its 'worked' for you. but when
growing techniques 'work' for people 99% are going to want to expand.. get better.. learn more efficient ways.

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I have a fully automated Greenhouse so no monotubs are needed.




1. automation in mushcult is retarded and slightly impossible and not necessary.
2. GHs are a shit way unless you have it dialed in and you know what you are doing. and automated+gh is like a oxymoron.
  using popcorn and gls and NO AGAR means you dont know what you are doing. stop over complicating shit.
3. mono tubs or smaller minis are the best ways to have a hands off grow. you want automation? do monos.

people usually dont do monos because they cant pull them off. we have seen it thousands of times before.
saying you dont need monos because your outdated and horrible method 'works' is some v shit.

man up. step up to the plate. rise above. stand and deliver. go raw. stand up and shout. be the holy diver.

or play with popcorn

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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: mushboy]
    #24263570 - 04/22/17 08:39 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I've done monos in the past, they were alright. I like Greenhouse.  6 tubs at a time. Yes, it's dialed in. Cycle timers, Hygrometers, etc. Again, I have had no issues with it. It IS automated other than refilling the humidifier and checking the sensors. 

Perhaps at some point I'll get into agar.

Let's rethink my post, if I had said Rye seed instead of popcorn would it have caused as much focus and condescending backlash?

I've explained my reasons for popcorn. The entire point of my post really could have ignored my entire bulk method.

The focal point of all of this was simply a side nonsense project of popping LC into a BRF, verm, and coir bag (to break up density) and fruiting in vitro. If this was a viable way to grow some set it and forget it bags or if it were a useless exercise.


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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: HeavyMetal]
    #24263578 - 04/22/17 08:48 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

nah, youd be getting shat for doing glcs straight into grains. whatever the grain. hence the agar talk.

especially since you thread is titled GAME PLAN FOR CONTINUOUS GROW.

and your plan is fucked. nothing wrong with brf invitro in bags. hence no one saying anything about it.
its less than perfect and the 'mass' of pf is hard to colonize in large amounts. anything i ever tried
with brf was in half pints. larger vessels always stalled/contamed. you could spawn cakes to coir in trays.???

if you have a 'dial in GH' just grow that brf mix or whatever in bags and fruit them inside your GH
with them rolled down like a sleeve.

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    #24263580 - 04/22/17 08:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

People really are just trying to help. Popcorn can work but the yield is lower because it's far less nutrition for the fungi. GLC can work but it's a contam vector and latent bacteria drops your yield regardless of whether it molds out. You might think you are kicking ass but maybe you are not.

What is your yield first flush per quart of spawn used? If the answer is less than 35 dry grams per quart of spawn, first flush, then you have a lot of room for improvement. If you are getting that then why would you even make this thread? Seems pointless. Says he wants experienced eyes to critique him, argues he is doing it right with everyone. Sounds like he wanted experienced people to just tell him he is awesome.

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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: mushboy]
    #24263583 - 04/22/17 08:51 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Brf Invitro was all I needed to know. 

I don't know what the downfall of GLC into grain is.  I seriously have great results with grain... Rye or popcorn, GLC, spawned to coir, poo, verm tubs. 

Why is GLC so shit on now apparently?


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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: HeavyMetal]
    #24263586 - 04/22/17 08:53 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Generally aim for 2-3 oz dried per tub, per flush.


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    #24263587 - 04/22/17 08:54 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Because GLC will always have bacteria in it. Can't be avoided. Now lots of times you won't have an issue, the bacteria is in small amounts and won't cause a mold break out too many times. But tht small amount of bacteria does push down the yields. It is a mold vector occasionally.

Getting clean inoculate is easy. So people chose to use one that doesn't come with bacteria.

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    #24263588 - 04/22/17 08:54 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

HeavyMetal said:
Generally aim for 2-3 oz dried per tub, per flush.




How many quarts of spawn?

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    #24263589 - 04/22/17 08:54 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

can you post pics of these fab results bruh?

in your gallery i see some decent fruit bodies but your trays look awful. are they current?

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    #24263591 - 04/22/17 08:55 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I see, thanks for the informative response pasty.


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    #24263597 - 04/22/17 08:58 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah that sounds kinda low. Here is what I think a good tub looks like.


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    #24263603 - 04/22/17 08:59 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

no one is trying to make you feel bad either. its just that we have seen you path and where it goes.
ive had shit results too. i dropped the bullshit. PAID ATTENTION to all input and critique and now
i have more mushrooms than i can store in my house. its that BAD

heres some shitty results of mine.



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Re: Game plan for continuous grow. Experienced eyes encouraged to critique. [Re: HeavyMetal]
    #24263608 - 04/22/17 09:04 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

No. I don't take pics of my grows very often.  There's a few in my account from my earlier days in 08.

Most recent I have (took around a two year hiatus) is this one, but it just shows end result of a 4 tub grow.

https://imgur.com/gallery/J0IhL


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    #24263611 - 04/22/17 09:05 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

take a pic right now?

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    #24263613 - 04/22/17 09:11 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Nothing is growing right now lol.  Like my first post stated, I'm starting back up. 

At the moment I just have some fully colonized popcorn. One GT, an Ecuador, a Mazaptec, and a Koh Samui. 

I'm getting ready to get GLC out of them....  Then begin the project. 

I can take a picture of the jars and empty Greenhouse if you want, lol. But there's nothing growing atm.

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    #24263620 - 04/22/17 09:13 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not clicking an off site link but at the end of the day your 4 tub grow either produced 1000 grams dry first flush or it didn't. Up to you if you are satisfied with your results. Personally I want maximum return so if that means using certain methods or a better culture etc, then I am going to do what's needed to ensure I'm getting that.

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    #24263626 - 04/22/17 09:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Pocorn sucks dick. Use white wheat.
LCs suck dick.

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    #24263627 - 04/22/17 09:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Complete 4 tub was about 330 dried. After 2 flush.

You're telling me 1000 dried is possible in 1 flush (4 tubs)? 

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    #24263630 - 04/22/17 09:21 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Complete 4 tub was about 330 dried. After 2 flush.

You're telling me 1000 dried is possible in 1 flush (4 tubs)? 

Cus if so I need some learning.




That's exactly what I'm telling you. So you can do things differently and get good results. Or you can argue and continue to get bad results. Up to you.

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    #24263634 - 04/22/17 09:24 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Well, say you are me... At the outset right now.

You've got 4 different strains fully colonized (in popcorn). 

What do you do with it if not GLC?


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    #24263636 - 04/22/17 09:27 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly do your GLC if you want. Use the popcorn if you want. Like I said they often still produce, just not as well. But start preparing to do things properly. Get some agar going, take some clones, source some nice cheap feed grade wheat or rye, 20 buck per 100 lbs is a good price. You won't get to killer results overnight. But you can start working towards them now.

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    #24263638 - 04/22/17 09:30 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Alright.  I'll go ahead with the current plan and while that's doing its stuff I'll do some research and switch it up as I go along.

Thanks for the input.  I've just always thought agar seemed daunting and I seriously thought a pound dry for 4 tubs (3 flushes) was doing pretty good.  Apparently I'm way off.


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    #24263640 - 04/22/17 09:32 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Agar is fucking easy. Here is how I make agar. Simple as hell.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976

10 years ago your results would have been considered okay. But the bar has been raised in the last 5 years and we have found easier ways to do things. We know a lot more about the organisim now. Take advantage of that.

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    #24263642 - 04/22/17 09:33 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

i thought the same way bro.

then i learned agar. i dont know what i was doing before.. somehow i threw some shit together and grew shrooms.
now im drowning in dry mushrooms. ive never seen so much in person at once. in my hand.


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    #24263648 - 04/22/17 09:38 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'll check this out guys.  Thanks for the info. 

I started in 08... Got 'good' by 2011-2013..fell off for a few years and was just going back to what i knew.


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    #24263653 - 04/22/17 09:41 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

i started in 04.. got good in 06-07.. started up in aug. agar has made me miles beyond what i labeled as 'good'

same thing bro.
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    #24263665 - 04/22/17 09:46 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Quick question. I haven't read through it all yet...  So forgive me.

Basic idea is you get agar ready.

Then noc up with Ms or clone?

Then once agar colonized you just use a flamed exaco knife or something and slice a chunk and pop into your bags? (in a still air box)


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    #24263669 - 04/22/17 09:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

If you are using bags in a SAB it's probably easier to make a clean LC with a clean agar wedge. Then inoculate through the bag. That's why I do. Here is an easy way to make clean LC.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23740857

Or you could start grain masters to inoculate the bags. It's harder to G2G a bag in a SAB but I find using smaller masters to be easier in the SAB. Pint grain masters are nice and colonize fast from a wedge. Just a wedge to a master. If you use my mini rounds here is an easy way to use them to max inoculation potential.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22601023

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    #24263676 - 04/22/17 09:52 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

basically yes.

but you would want to cut or 'transfer' a small piece about 3 or 4 times.

so you got a plate it germs on


grow that a few days and take 3 cuts from healthy looking growth


do that with each of the 3 pieces you took from the germination plate.


once you have some really nice looking cultures, you drop the whole thing into a quart jar(or bag)
colonize that jar/bag and either spawn with that jar, or expand(g2g) that one CLEAN master jar into 6-8
other jars that were only half loaded(you need room for the grains you pour in)
and you grow those and go to town.


multiply that by say 300 quart jars and you will be losing your mind with mushrooms. in a good way:thumbup:

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    #24263682 - 04/22/17 09:54 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Great guys, this is good stuff and I understand it.  Will definitely be looking to get introduced and try it out.


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    #24263685 - 04/22/17 09:55 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

:hairmetal:  :rockon:

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    #24263691 - 04/22/17 10:00 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

start with pastys easy agar. its in his links. its a game changer. then move on to pouring and the 'intimidation' factor.

if you can make jello you can handle agar.:thumbup:
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    #24263692 - 04/22/17 10:00 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah that sounds kinda low. Here is what I think a good tub looks like.


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    #24263722 - 04/22/17 10:15 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Getting there. 6th gen is pinning now. If the 7th comes out good spores from that will be distributed.

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    #24263732 - 04/22/17 10:22 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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    #24263741 - 04/22/17 10:31 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Just checking this thread today to find that you guys made OP see the light, awesome! Yesterday I thought the force was really strong with this one to even bother but glad I was wrong!

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    #24263960 - 04/22/17 12:22 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Just checking this thread today to find that you guys made OP see the light, awesome! Yesterday I thought the force was really strong with this one to even bother but glad I was wrong!




Hey an old dog can learn new tricks. I'm not opposed to better technique, it just needs to be presented in a better way than it was at first. I needed it spelled out a little to help me understand why what I was doing wasn't as successful as I believed it to be.


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    #24264008 - 04/22/17 12:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I used to explain the whys and hows best I could but it tires me to the extreme nowadays unless I can see clearly the recipient will listen... I didn't see clearly this time, so guilty :facepalm:

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    #24264143 - 04/22/17 01:34 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey an old dog can learn new tricks. I'm not opposed to better technique, it just needs to be presented in a better way than it was at first. I needed it spelled out a little to help me understand why what I was doing wasn't as successful as I believed it to be.




Well that's good.. because being "opposed to better technique" would be one of the most hardheaded attitudes I've ever encountered :lol:

Glad pasty finally broke through...

Maybe do some research before you start calling everyone who volunteers to help you "condescending"

You'll have a lot more luck learning cultivation principles than criticizing the tone of helpful strangers just because you don't like what they have to say :rolleyes:


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    #24264165 - 04/22/17 01:46 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe do some research before you start calling everyone who volunteers to help you "condescending"

You'll have a lot more luck learning cultivation principles than criticizing the tone of helpful strangers just because you don't like what they have to say :rolleyes:





Some of that sounded condescending though, assuming I wasn't listening and just calling what I was doing stupid and to just do research without explaining the why's and how's.

Look - I'm not trying to get into a flame war here, but let's all just agree things come off on the internet misinterpreted sometimes and this time it worked out good. Let's not stir the pot by adding needless commentary to it.


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    #24264217 - 04/22/17 02:08 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Many of us are just here to learn and discuss mushroom culture

Don't be surprised if we are turned off and annoyed by your desire to call people "condescending" and comment on the personalities and word choice of the people trying to help you

Knowing, as you said, that words on the Internet or easily misinterpreted, why would you then go on to tell us all about the way cultivation advice makes you "feel" and how you think it "sounded"?  No one cares,and it is way off topic

If that's the approach you took with your teachers in school I doubt you did very well

You will get way further here reading, learning,and discussing mush cult than trying to be Dr. Phil on random shroomy strangers trying to help you out


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    #24264510 - 04/22/17 04:46 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

When some of it very clearly comes off condescending, I call it out.  We were able to move past the misunderstanding and get down to productive business.

Let's not make more of an issue with you coming in stirring up should of and could've's late to the convo at this point when it's moot.

Your observation is appreciated and I will take into consideration, but let's not be dicks over, at this point, old hogwash. Especially in assumptions about how I did in school?  Just not necessary bro.

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im liking OP more and more.

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    #24264912 - 04/22/17 07:46 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

yall should start a forumn where you talk about how much you like each other, and who you dont like, and how it makes you feel when people discuss cultivation :shrug:

because its off topic and boring to those of us who are here to discuss mushroom cultivation

more than a few of us have addressed every question you have asked, and explained how you could stagger grows to easily reach your goal of continuous growth, and even explained how continuous growth = continuous work

if you cant find anything worth discussing or learning in any of that, or if it hurts your feelings, then i dont know what to tell you


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    #24265179 - 04/22/17 10:16 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Staggering spawn production is something I'm trying to work on myself- I tend to do lots of work at once, and then end up having to spawn lots of tubs at once, harvesting tons at once etc

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Found that inoculating agar directly after inoculating spawn bags is a good preventative to staggering spawn production.


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yall should start a forumn where you talk about how much you like each other, and who you dont like, and how it makes you feel when people discuss cultivation :shrug:

because its off topic and boring to those of us who are here to discuss mushroom cultivation

more than a few of us have addressed every question you have asked, and explained how you could stagger grows to easily reach your goal of continuous growth, and even explained how continuous growth = continuous work

if you cant find anything worth discussing or learning in any of that, or if it hurts your feelings, then i dont know what to tell you





Cool.  While we rapidly moved past things and came to relevant and informative discussion, you butted in with your own personal nonsense on a dead horse.  Kindly ignore the thread from now on since it is apparently  useless to you.

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Staggering spawn production is something I'm trying to work on myself- I tend to do lots of work at once, and then end up having to spawn lots of tubs at once, harvesting tons at once etc

It takes a certain discipline/planning to spread things out






I used to stagger stuff, thinking that's what I wanted, but it became an assload of work harvesting every day

What I try to do now is time them to harvest around the same time, so that I only have to spend 1 or 2 days per week harvesting

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Found that inoculating agar directly after inoculating spawn bags is a good preventative to staggering spawn production.




This is great advice, works well with my workflow. Makes it much easier to time things around a job :smile:


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