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Need some advice on my grow
    #24261402 - 04/21/17 09:20 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Hi, this is my first ever grow! So far it's going great!

However, I have two issues today which I am hoping I can get answers to since I have looked around and there is lots of contradicting information.

1. My fastest jar is almost 100% colonized! There is just a little bit at the bottom left. However, it's started fruiting in the jar. There is one little shroom so far.

My current plan is to turn off the light in my incubation draw and leave it for 3 more days to try and let it finish colonizing. I was hoping all the jars would colonize around the same time so I could fruit them all at once but some of the jars aren't even at 50% yet.

2. The same jar has developed a small orange globule which from my research I believe is called a metabolite. It's definitely not a contamination but I would like to know what's causing the mycelium to excrete this.

The uncolonized spot: http://i.imgur.com/9r4uw5t.jpg
The shroomicle: http://i.imgur.com/y9riwHT.jpg
The orange globule/metabolite: http://i.imgur.com/rz5QK6F.jpg

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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Klimoserous]
    #24261424 - 04/21/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Flip them jars, give it a good hit on the counter, and it will separate from the bottom, slide down, and finish up in a day or two.

Taking light from that little shroom won't do Much, it will still grow. Once 100% colonization occurs, it wants to fruit!

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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24261443 - 04/21/17 09:43 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Is flipping jars a good idea? I heard that it can cause contamination and stalling? Thanks for the advice. I will hit it in the corner and see what happens.

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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Klimoserous]
    #24261450 - 04/21/17 09:48 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

If it was me I'd just birth it and rinse off the uncolonized area. Looks thick and bacterial anyways. It will take a long ass time to grow through it, and it's already pinning anyways.


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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Mad Season]
    #24261592 - 04/21/17 11:23 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Nah it's not bacterial at all. It's very healthy. The condensation on the jar just makes it look thicker than it is.

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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Klimoserous]
    #24261594 - 04/21/17 11:27 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize you were more experienced than me :facepalm:

Why does nobody want to accept they have bacteria, when its the most common contaminant, the prerequisite to trich, and in literally every other grow? It's very obvious its bacterial to me, but that's because I have 7 years of seeing bacteria..


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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Mad Season]
    #24261607 - 04/21/17 11:32 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

That's not enough experience. You need, like, weeks man

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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Mad Season]
    #24261619 - 04/21/17 11:37 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)



All the red is showing how the myc is struggling to colonize through the bacteria. It appears like shit is pressed up against the glass, that's because of bacteria. The black shows how the areas are splitting and having major issues colonizing through the bacteria. A cleanly colonizing leading edge looks nothing like this, as I'm sure you've seen already when these first started. The green is what regular condensation should look like. No uncolonized bits exposed, just fresh myc with condensation on it.

Here's a whole bunch of shit on bacteria..

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It looks bacterial IMO.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21890806#21890806 bacteria in spawn. You can also get it from prepping the substrate too wet. If you read in the link it explains what happened when I spawned bacterial spawn.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/remlinker.php?Cat=&Entry=149430&F_Board=22&Thread=21936821&Main=21936535

Read both of those thoroughly.




Although it's spawn, same principles apply.

Just take the cake out, wash off the uncolonized area, and dunk/roll. It's ready anyways, thus the pinning. Waiting for a bacterial spot to colonize at this point makes no sense.


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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Mad Season]
    #24261711 - 04/21/17 12:29 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, I guess I just didn't want to think my jar had bacteria after I worked so hard on it.
I will take it out and start the dunk and roll now.
I heard chlorine in tap water is bad so I will use bottled water to wash it and dunk it.
Thanks for the reply! I will keep an eye on my other jars.

One last thing. Will the grow still be fine with the bacteria present?

Edited by Klimoserous (04/21/17 12:34 PM)

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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Klimoserous]
    #24261734 - 04/21/17 12:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I bet it will be :smile: bacteria although annoying, isn't the end of the world. Just toss if it molds. If anything it just lowers yield more than anything. And Ofc keep an eye on it.

Also just dunk and roll as normal. Sanitisers harm cubes more than help. It has its own natural defence against invaders, and us putting in chemicals just makes it much more stressful on the myc.


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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Mad Season]
    #24261792 - 04/21/17 01:00 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I just washed my hands and arms really good. Then again in alcohol gel. Opened up the jar and took out the cake. It smells SO good.. super mushroomy. Washed it as you said and washed off the dry verm layer and the colonized bit. It's now soaking in a big bowl of water with a smaller bowl holding it down.

I would never use sanitizers on my cake anyway.. lots of people say hit it with some dilute peroxide but I wouldn't want to harm healthy myc.

How long should I soak it for? Some people say 24 hours but that seems way overkill to me. Is 6-8 hours good?

I also removed that 1 shroom I had grown on it so I get an even pinset.

Edited by Klimoserous (04/21/17 01:02 PM)

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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Klimoserous]
    #24261802 - 04/21/17 01:05 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

12-24 hours is good. Generally people just do it overnight lol

When you roll in verm, don't mist for a good 24 hours so the myc gets a good grab on the verm


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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Mad Season]
    #24261823 - 04/21/17 01:15 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, great. Thanks for the advice again. I hope the rest of my grow goes well!

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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Klimoserous]
    #24272432 - 04/26/17 07:26 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

So I'll give a quick update as I need some more advice.

After soaking my cake for 8 hours I put it into my fruiting chamber. After the first day it developed a nasty smell and all the vermiculite from the roll went dark and damp and some nasty squishy stuff formed on top.

So I just gave it a complete wash and I scraped off all the nasty squishy stuff.

I am pretty sure it's the bacteria which was inside the jar which a poster above pointed out.

I have re-rolled it now and I put in a small bendy USB fan which I plan to run for 1-2 hours a day which is recirculating the air inside the fruiting chamber so I won't lose and humidity. It's blowing onto the cake to keep the vermiculite dry hopefully. I hope this will discourage the bacteria.

Are there any other steps I should take? After washing it off it regained a lovely mushroomy smell and the nasty smell is gone other than the lingering odor inside the fruiting chamber.

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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Klimoserous]
    #24272520 - 04/26/17 08:17 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

ditch the usb fan

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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24272525 - 04/26/17 08:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Why might I ask? I read on another post that a fan is a great idea since it displaces the Co2! Many people include them in their fruiting chambers and it doesn't dry out the cake do to high humidity. I just watered my perlite and have 99% humidity so it would be fine!

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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Klimoserous]
    #24272596 - 04/26/17 09:01 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Very unlikely the cake will pin well/if at all with no roll, the vermiculite roll forms a kind of casing on the outside of the cake and all the little nooks and crannies provide a good microclimate for the formation of pins.

The fruiting chamber provides passive air exchange by design, assuming you're using a correctly build shotgun fruiting chamber. Make sure it is elevated off the floor and that there are holes in all 6 sides including the bottom and the lid. It cannot function if the bottom is touching the floor.

The vermiculite has to be wet in order for evaporation to occur which is a strong pinning trigger. Regardless of what you do the bacteria will remain so you should roll the cake in vermiculite, put in the SGFC, leave it alone for 24 hours, then lightly MIST (don't soak it) the cake until the vermiculite is glistening. After that you can mist whenever it no longer glistens, which is usually 2-3 times a day. There's a thread called the "misted cake project" which you can look at to see how it should and shouldn't look before and after misting.

Do not use the fan, it will just dry out your cake unnecessarily.


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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #24272626 - 04/26/17 09:09 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, thank you. I will turn off the fan. Should I not worry about the smell? Is it a common thing?
I'll just keep the sides well misted on the sides of the fruiting chamber and give it a 5-minute fan every day.
It's not on the floor, it's on top of a refrigerator which is waist height.
I have a cover on it to prevent dust from entering the top and to prevent the light keeping me awake at night but there is plenty of airflows and I keep the cover off during the day. It's VERY loose and doesn't directly cover any holes.

Here is a picture bare in mind it's a little warmer than usual since I put warm water in the perlite.
That's what it looks like when covered and I usually flop the hand towel down over the front too. The cover is completely removed during the day.

There are holes in all sides the same as the front including the bottom for drainage of excess moisture.
The top meter measures the temperature of the perlite and the bottom meter measures humidity and ambient temperature in the FC.

Edited by Klimoserous (04/26/17 09:26 AM)

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Re: Need some advice on my grow [Re: Klimoserous]
    #24272634 - 04/26/17 09:13 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Don't mist the walls!

How many times a day do I see this?

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    #24272636 - 04/26/17 09:15 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Cause you spend too much time on here lol


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