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Om Namo Shivaya

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Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??!
#24259585 - 04/20/17 12:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey there guys, i have my first two jars of tampanensis fully colonized. They've been colonized on whole oats about 10 days now. I have yet to notice any stone formation at all, possibly because i shook these jars at 30%?
I just checked to see if any stones have started forming and i see what appears to be primordia forming! Any confirmation these are primordia and not stones? I am inexperienced with mexicana, but from what i can tell from pics online these do not appear as stones to me. I hear of people leaving this species in jars for months, so i'm confused as to why these may be fruiting; assuming these are truly mexicana.
Input is much appreciated and a course of action from here if these are primordia is appreciated. Should i spawn these to coir/verm now or do i just let them fruit in the jars if these are primordia? If it does fruit and is mexicana i could get a clean clone pretty easily from an in vitro fruit, assuming it isn't fruiting due to unseen contamination.
Note: These were from print>agar>Whole Oats. Only one of the jars has these visible, potential primordia, the other jar hit full colonization a couple days after so it may be a bit behind if it's going to fruit in the jar as well.
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Bro... Wait.
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Om Namo Shivaya

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Such an informative reply, thanks much for your contribution.
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I would spawn. Those are Hyphal knots. It is ready. And I hear that variety doesn't have dense myc growth anyway. It looks Ready.
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Re: Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??! [Re: mynakedrat]
#24259937 - 04/20/17 03:56 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for chiming in, that was my initial feeling when i saw this as well. I tend to refer to hyphal knots as primordia, thanks for that clarification.
If anyone else wants to verify spawning is the correct move it's much appreciated.
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I would imagine it's starting to form a stone there.
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Re: Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24260048 - 04/20/17 04:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for chiming in bodhi, always appreciate your feedback. do you have much experience with mexicana? Just got communication from Shomann that he can't see them being stones and he is in favor of spawning them as well. Leaving the house now, i'll be back in a bit and probably spawn them then unless more people interject that these appear to be stones.
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Om Namo Shivaya

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Just spawned the two jars to a shoebox, lightly coated them with cvg and cased. No noticeable stones at all within the spawn. Will keep this post updated for people interested in tampanensis.
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Did you mix with a sub? WHat do you mean put a layer of cvg And cased? Isn't that layer the casing? Or did you do something else?
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Re: Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??! [Re: mynakedrat]
#24260240 - 04/20/17 06:30 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I mean i mix a couple handfuls of cvg with the grains to lightly coat them, then i cased, as Shomann shows in his thread.
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Shomann said: ... For this project I chose to use the same culture to compare results. I believe the tamp variety if not the stone producers in general prefer cased grains with a good casing. I have not seen as many happy Tamps in a normal sub as opposed to cased grains. Maybe I can prove myself wrong here.
Not too much now. We are coating the grains basically, just enough to make them all look dirty as fuck..
Uuhmf. I like the way that makes me feel knowing my culture digs it..
After your casing has properly pasteurized for an hour and cooled down, I like a healthy casing.
as you guys can see, I'm sloppy as fuck.. ...
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Nice. Psuedocased I guess that's called?
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Re: Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??! [Re: mynakedrat]
#24260253 - 04/20/17 06:34 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I literally just got done harvesting some tampanensis truffles for this weekend. But idk im no mexicana expert
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Re: Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24260548 - 04/20/17 09:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are Tamps and Mexicana the same species?
10 days is really early for stones. IME it takes at least a month or longer If you left those alone they would have produced some eventually.
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Re: Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??! [Re: mushpunx]
#24260679 - 04/20/17 10:20 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes all stone producers are Psilocybe mexicana Tampanensis galindoi ATL etc..
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Re: Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24260892 - 04/21/17 12:02 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm definitely no expert. I've gotten lucky a few times I think, plus mexicana will basically grow themselves when in good conditions.
If you're super worried about them being primordia, sure spawn it. Can't hurt. Personally, I'd be curious what's making it pin up before stones form.
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Re: Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24261120 - 04/21/17 05:30 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Yes all stone producers are Psilocybe mexicana Tampanensis galindoi ATL etc..
I did not know this
I knew PS. Mexicana was under the section Mexicanae along with Galindoi + Tamps etc but I didn't realize that meant they were the same species
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Re: Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24261159 - 04/21/17 06:16 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Yes all stone producers are Psilocybe mexicana Tampanensis galindoi ATL etc..
This is incorrect. Psilocybin Tampanensis, Mexicana, and Galindoi are different species. There are a few varieties of each specie except Psilocybe Tampensis. It has a limited gene pool.
For example: ATL#7 is a variety of Psilocybe Galindoi. Jalisco, and Strain-A are different varieties of Psilocybe Mexicana.
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Re: Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??! [Re: hamloaf]
#24261185 - 04/21/17 06:47 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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bodhisatta said: Yes all stone producers are Psilocybe mexicana Tampanensis galindoi ATL etc..
This is incorrect. Psilocybin Tampanensis, Mexicana, and Galindoi are different species. There are a few varieties of each specie except Psilocybe Tampensis. It has a limited gene pool.
For example: ATL#7 is a variety of Psilocybe Galindoi. Jalisco, and Strain-A are different varieties of Psilocybe Mexicana.
No they are the same species. Source please..
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Re: Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??! [Re: mushpunx]
#24261189 - 04/21/17 06:51 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushpunx said: Are Tamps and Mexicana the same species?
10 days is really early for stones. IME it takes at least a month or longer If you left those alone they would have produced some eventually.
I have stones the size of thumbnails at 16 days in both Atl and Tamp jars...About 75% colonized...
These cultures will produce stones on agar too.
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Re: Primordia in Tampanensis Jar??! [Re: hamloaf]
#24261191 - 04/21/17 06:52 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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bodhisatta said: Yes all stone producers are Psilocybe mexicana Tampanensis galindoi ATL etc..
This is incorrect. Psilocybin Tampanensis, Mexicana, and Galindoi are different species. There are a few varieties of each specie except Psilocybe Tampensis. It has a limited gene pool.
For example: ATL#7 is a variety of Psilocybe Galindoi. Jalisco, and Strain-A are different varieties of Psilocybe Mexicana.
This is more what I thought, I do have a print labeled Psilocybe Mexicana "Jalisco" , a variety of the species
I think they're all under the section "Mexicana/Mexicanae" but they're aren't all Psilocybe Mexicana
If they were separate species they wouldn't have species names like Psilocybe Galindoi, Psilocybe Mexicana, Psilocybe Tampanensis - they're separate species under the section "Mexicana"
As far as I understand, which I freely admit is a very limited understanding
Edited by mushpunx (04/21/17 06:54 AM)
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