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all noobed up and butthurt
    #24257979 - 04/19/17 06:30 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

well i posted some pics of micropins that popped in some 12 qt tubs with cvg and 1 quart of spawn. was (still am, really) pretty fired up about them too.

the past couple days i have expected some better growth. upon closer inspection i clearly see that i noobed up and couldnt keep surface conditions good enuf and let the shit get too much fae prior to first flush. dry surface and got some nice side pins and bottom pins tho. :thumbdown: id post pics but still feelin butthurt so they will come later.

its just 2 tubs (little 12 qt tubs) with 1 quart of spawn each BUT its my first go around and patience is starting to wear a little thin. started this adventure end of jan/early feb.

breath, relax, reflect, recover...... learn and move forward (let out some cuss words too)

never did pf tek, never did real monos, tried to start out with no liners (not the biggest deal here, i dont think), and tried to start out with unmodified tubs (got a 60qt going too but lagging behind these two). i think the unmodified part takes a better attention to detail than i know how to give with me being a noob.

at least i do have some pins on the top but i hope they dont abort.

gave in a little and dub tubbed (in a semi fit of rage lol) the 12qts and drilled two 1" holes per long side at substrate level and one 1.5" hole at the very top of the upside down tub on each end. used micropore tape (slightly more tape on the bottom holes). hopefully i can improve surface conditions. also, i hope the bottom pins dont rot lol. i have no clue if they will.

at least i have some other jars fully colonized and ready to go if things go south.

sorry for the long rant. have had some clean agar and good transfers. got some good rye jars (and threw out half a dozen bacterial ms>grain ones (wont do that again)). feel confident in my sab. and i obviously felt overconfident in my spawing and more specifically fruiting abilities. no molds yet tho. just bummed that i was really sloppy concerning fruiting and air circulation.

oh well, not about to quit now.

learn and grow like a shroom would.

mad respect to you guys that grow tubs full of canopies that couldnt fit one more shroom in there. even tho it probly feels like second nature when you do it, it takes a level of perception and attention to detail that just doesnt come overnight.

rant over and i have a bottle of rum that needs a certain level of attention tonight.

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: BugsRucker] * 1
    #24258034 - 04/19/17 06:55 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

no such thing as too much FAE. you are confused. post pics so we can help you, because you don't understand what you are doing yet. nobody is going to crucify you if you post a subpar tub. lets figure out what you need to be doing for your future flushes to perform well.

Edited by Munchauzen (04/19/17 07:04 PM)

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: BugsRucker]
    #24258072 - 04/19/17 07:13 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Listen to the man he'll get you all sorted out in no time brother


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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: Godseed313]
    #24258116 - 04/19/17 07:31 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

thanks munch and god.... will for sure snap some pics tomorrow and post em up. need to get this figured out. "its not rocket surgery" lol.

see ya tomorrow afternoonish. and thanks in advance.

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: BugsRucker]
    #24258181 - 04/19/17 07:52 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Claim down. You are doing better than most on here.
Make sure and have multiple forms going if you can. If you get a failure, it's not a total loss.
Study your teks
Drink the rum
It's gonna be ok
Something in your process needs to change. Change one thing and try again. Be scientific abt it. Don't be certain of your methods, we all make mistakes.

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: mynakedrat] * 1
    #24258244 - 04/19/17 08:14 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Modifying the tubs and dialing them in properly according to the teks is crucial to maintaining the FAE/moisture balance. It is wise to strictly adhere to trusted teks until gaining some experience.

Nonetheless, I say pat on the back for skipping pf and making it this far. But for now, if you keep conditions right for the second flush, redemption is right around the corner :smile:

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: BugsRucker]
    #24260106 - 04/20/17 05:27 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

pics of these two 'minis' that sat for 7 days with just (loose fitting) lids on colonizing and when i started to see pins (5 maybe 6 days ago) i popped off the lids and turned them ever so slightly so they sat 'sort of' diagonal so they could get some more fae.

i never checked the bottom or sides till yesterday.

this is how they look as of 20 mins ago. i used micropore tape on the holes and went around 2x to put the top tub to the bottom one.

doesnt look like a end of the world scenario but conditions can certainly be better.

top tubs put on and i drilled and taped the holes about 12 hours ago.




surfaces:



bottom and side pins:




Although doubling the tubs and using holes didnt create the side/bottom pinning i have going on.... what do you think i could do to improve the setup as it sits now?



thanks for looking

Edited by BugsRucker (04/20/17 05:32 PM)

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: BugsRucker]
    #24260118 - 04/20/17 05:35 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe let it colonize a bit before adding your acting to encourage top growth.
Hopefully you won't have bottom peens like I did. I have to flip my sub every flush. But alas, this is my last flush, it's a pain.
I didn't case it.

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24260150 - 04/20/17 05:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

i left the lids on and thought it was pretty early to see pinning without complete colonization.

i didnt try to 'induce fruiting' it just sorta happened. i get the feeling that the fae it was getting with the lids on was ideal for fruiting and when i cracked the lids open and set them diagonal there was no way to keep the right micro climate on the surface and the humidity at surface level dropped and the sides and bottom were preferential to the shrooms.

i got two pics posted above with confirmed bottom pins and they are the biggest pins on both subs  :facepalm:

edit: replace consolidation with colonization

Edited by BugsRucker (04/20/17 08:03 PM)

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: BugsRucker]
    #24260162 - 04/20/17 05:53 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

yea and i didnt case them either. probly would have done me some good to do so. in one of the pics there is a 60 qt colonizing in the background that i 'psuedocased' with some extra cvg. very light casing tho, like maybe 1/8" and can still see a grain here and there.

hopefully i am a little more in tune with surface conditions as that tub comes along.

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: BugsRucker]
    #24260175 - 04/20/17 05:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I did the 1/8 verm psuedocased case on my. Birthday thread, if you've seen it. 48hrs, it's already Chewed through the verm. Oh well.
And my Largest shroom of the last tub was a bottom pin. Pushed up and cracked through the top of the sub. It was gnarly too.
On that same tub I had a corner pin, I know, that grew up to start, curled back down on itself, then kept coiling. Looked like a 30g snail, cap in the center. It split itself from the pressure too.
So hopefully we can learn something and dial these in better.
The my. Latest tub I used 1/4 coir for casing, only a couple side pins. A little more on this final flush, but it's looking good. Pics are in getting started, barely Modded tub.
What's the capacity f your new tub with the verm casing?

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: BugsRucker]
    #24260187 - 04/20/17 06:03 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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pics of these two 'minis' that sat for 7 days with just (loose fitting) lids on colonizing and when i started to see pins (5 maybe 6 days ago) i popped off the lids and turned them ever so slightly so they sat 'sort of' diagonal so they could get some more fae.

i never checked the bottom or sides till yesterday.

this is how they look as of 20 mins ago. i used micropore tape on the holes and went around 2x to put the top tub to the bottom one.

doesnt look like a end of the world scenario but conditions can certainly be better.

top tubs put on and i drilled and taped the holes about 12 hours ago.




surfaces:



bottom and side pins:




Although doubling the tubs and using holes didnt create the side/bottom pinning i have going on.... what do you think i could do to improve the setup as it sits now?



thanks for looking




1) take the light off the tub. its warming the tub up and drying it out, therefore the surface gets dry and the pins goto the sides/bottom.

2) remove the tape that is connecting the top and bottom tubs. it is not needed.

3) mist your minis at least once daily, twice if possible. (this is the reason for #2, having to remove and replace that tape twice a day becomes a big pain in the ass real quick)

4) with the size of those tubs, I do not believe you need any holes at all. by removing the tape in #2, that should provide sufficient FAE. Give some unmodded tubs a try on your next attempt. Compare the results, and see if there is a middle ground, or if unmodded works for you.

TAKEHOME: Minis dry out easily. The smaller subs have a greater perimeter to interior ratio and people tend to overdo the FAE on the tubs because its just assumed the same principals of the mono apply - however, they don't and minis must be treated uniquely. I've talked with various vets that also do minis, and it seems most of us are misting.

here is how mine look

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: BugsRucker] * 1
    #24260193 - 04/20/17 06:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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i left the lids on and thought it was pretty early to see pinning without complete consolidation. colonization

i didnt try to 'induce fruiting' it just sorta happened. i get the feeling that the fae it was getting with the lids on was ideal for fruiting and when i cracked the lids open and set them diagonal there was no way to keep the right micro climate on the surface and the humidity at surface level dropped and the sides and bottom were preferential to the shrooms.

i got two pics posted above with confirmed bottom pins and they are the biggest pins on both subs  :facepalm:




correct, the lids do provide sufficient FAE. I often grow the 1st flush out with the lid on, but 2nd flushes often need dubbed because the fruits get too big and don't fit.


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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24260201 - 04/20/17 06:10 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Wow much, great info! My Little tubs are way for ferret than my large tub. I thought it would. B easier, but has taken more work because I thought to put holes in it, and treat it like a mono. It has been a battle

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24260377 - 04/20/17 07:52 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

yes, very good info. thanks for all the interest and feed back guys.

i will take it all to heart and put it into practice.

the perimeter to interior ratio is exactly one of those things that NOW seems obvious (and probly feels second nature to a vet) but i definitely overlooked. thanks.

after some more reading i agree with you munch that the holes are probably too much and i will tape them over with solid tape. thanks again.

as far as misting goes i have 2 concerns and they may or may not be unfounded. 1. misting prior to first flush (or 100% colonization) can lead to contamination. and 2. misting while pins are present can lead to aborts.

i feel better thanks to the input that ive received and it does correlate to what i suspected. so that is a sign of growth.

pins are pins and i will still call this a success even tho i have pins on all 6 sides of these little substrates lol.

i have a couple 60qts, 40qts, and 12 little 6qt shoeboxes that sit empty ready to go. im not thinking bigtime but im for sure not thinking quit either.

i have APE, Psilocybe cyanescens, and Atl7 on agar right now and have a couple quarts of other cubes colonized ready to go. also have a jalisco jar colonized that ill let sit around for a while to see what comes of it too. oh, and i have a PE syringe and a pan cambo syringe that still need to go to agar.

im gonna have some fun with this and make it all work. my friends will enjoy the 'fruits' of my labor too.

not enough time in the days to thank everyone here in this forum (and specifically this thread) for all the insight that has been willingly provided for the taking.

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: BugsRucker]
    #24260458 - 04/20/17 08:36 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

This is the kinda thread I watch these forums for. It's like grab some popcorn, paper and pen and get to work

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: BugsRucker] * 1
    #24260477 - 04/20/17 08:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

The tubs won't need misting for several days after spawning. When they are fully colonized is when I typically start misting, and also about when they start to visibly dry out on the surface. CVG is easy to tell if its dry, because it will turn a light brown color when dry, and a dark brown color when wet.

Misting pins doesn't cause aborts. Mushrooms are 90-95% water. The culture will absorb the water and supply it to the fruits. I guess overmisting could cause aborts, but thats kind of hard to do. It only takes a few squirts from a bottle to moisten the surface adequately but it can absorb a good amount of water without issue.

you don't have to worry about misting sub at any point, really. as long as you aren't using water from a mud puddle, you should be fine.

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24260513 - 04/20/17 09:07 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

thanks Munchauzen.

really appreciate your thoughts and insight. when i get to 50 posts you will get my first +5 (not like you need it)

many thanks and many bountiful harvests to you.

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: BugsRucker]
    #24260539 - 04/20/17 09:20 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

ive been growing pretty much those mini shoeboxes almost exclusively for the last 2 years.

here is the oldest dated pic i have of one, its from january 5th 2015. i had wrapped it in plastic for colonization for some reason.


here are dubs with holes from february 3rd 2015

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Re: all noobed up and butthurt [Re: Munchauzen] * 1
    #24260563 - 04/20/17 09:28 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

check out my making shoeboxes. same basic thing. munch should make one though!

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