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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: dhype773]
    #24239778 - 04/13/17 09:14 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

In the link above, it shows about how my jars looked when I birthed them... I should probably wait even longer next time.  Thanks for the information.  I got work to do!!! I Will succeed one day hehe.  I'll just have to be more patient and when I think they are ready for birth, I'll wait.  Then when I think their ready for birth, I'll wait some more. lol. 

Should I pick the pins I got and then re dunk? 

I have pretty good sterile technique and am a clean freak around my house anyway so I am not worried about the contam part to much.

Thank you all for offering the knowledge and advice.  It has been well received and will help me on my next one.  it's already started :wink:

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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: Redneck1986]
    #24239802 - 04/13/17 09:19 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

If the heads of your pins have turned black / very dark and have not grown in a few days they probably aborted. You can still pick and eat them.

If your current cakes look / feel dry then sure, pick the aborts off and this time dunk AND roll them. Can't hurt at this point. Try different things, keep what works.


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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: CapnZ]
    #24242582 - 04/14/17 05:21 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

So I have another question that's related to my post... 

We have definitely determined I birthed my cakes early. I've attempted to research this a bit more and to no avail, come up confused about conflicted info....

Mycelium. This is not rizomorphic fingers correct? It appears I have just rizomorphic growth and no mycelium on my cakes or do I?  Mycelium is white whispy cloud looking stuff that's realitively thick? I don't think I have a whole bunch on the cakes of this stuff. 

When do I start misting these cakes?  Do I start immediately? Do I start after pinning?  I read conflicted information about not to mist during primordia stages but mist during pinning stages and then I've read RR stating it doesn't matter what stage to mist in? 

In the order of growth, does it happen like this:  Rizomorphic fingers > Mycelium > Primordia > Knots > Pins.  Am I wrong? 


Which stage do I begin misting?



To elaborate on the problems I've had so far in the thread, I have corrected the following. 

1.  Purchased new terrarium with clear lid, will put holes in it to night 2" spaces with 1/4inch holes.   
2.  I have re-dunked my cakes last night.  Currently still in the fridge until I get the terrarium set back up tonight.    will be 24 hours tonight.  (I picked the aborts off prior to dunking again)
3.  I have removed much of the aluminum foil around the cakes.

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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: Redneck1986]
    #24242647 - 04/14/17 06:21 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Okay,  if you have white anything it's either mycelium or a contam.  I don't know what you are thinking "rhizomorphic fingers" are, but they are mycelium.  Just look up some pictures of colonized cakes and of cube mycelium on agar.  The info is on this site,  and as far as those topics,  the understanding is not conflicted at all.  Just pick a tek, and follow it exactly. 

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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: dhype773]
    #24245620 - 04/15/17 04:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)







So I rebuilt a SGFC and removed foil.  I also redunked my cakes after picking pins off.  To my surprise, during the dunk, I had more pins come out.  now my cakes have very small clusters of pins. don't know if they show much in the photos. 

I'm missing some perlite which I have ordered.  Other than that, anyone see anything else that I'm doing incorrectly?  I'm misting three times a day, morning, lunch, and night.

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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: Redneck1986]
    #24245667 - 04/15/17 05:34 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

That foil still needs to be trimmed.  You could even use the flat piece of the jar lid,  but the foil can't extend past the edge of the cake.


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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: dhype773]
    #24246324 - 04/15/17 12:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Why are the pins so small?  I don't get it? They look like match sticks coming out of the cakes.  Do they get wider as they grow? and is there a reason why the pins are sporadically placed?

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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: Redneck1986]
    #24246486 - 04/15/17 01:25 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Why are the pins so small?  I don't get it? They look like match sticks coming out of the cakes.  Do they get wider as they grow? and is there a reason why the pins are sporadically placed?




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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: Redneck1986]
    #24248130 - 04/16/17 04:37 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

So several days later, after dunking and rebuilding the terrarium to spec, these cakes went from  blue and pretty close back to white.  Now there are pins and good sized hyphal knots on all of them.  Just wanted to say thanks for the tips, links, etc.  I have learned a ton over the last few days watching and fixing stuff. I think this grow was saved by the good graces of shroomery personnel.  Thanks a lot everyone. 

I plan to dunk and then roll after my first flush is picked off just to be with in the tek specs.  This way is the only way that makes any sense at this point. 

In the future, I'll wait for my jars to colonize, dunk for 24hrs and then roll, place in a spec SGFC, and wait :smile:  Now I think I need to work on getting a better yield out of my cakes. ( I know someone is going to tell me about grain but I'm not wanting that many mushrooms.  I just wanna stick with cakes).

I should be harvesting in about 7 days?

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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: Redneck1986]
    #24256326 - 04/19/17 07:03 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)






Just an update of all the corrections I made now I got 2 big mushies growing up to be adults.  Also got other small pins being pushed out as well... Hard to see the pins in the photo but I do have them. 

I've had to dunk, then wait, dunk then wait, and then dunked again to rehydrate the cakes... This process just goes to show you how birthing early effects the hydration of your cakes and how much extra time and energy that you have to utilize to get your project back running properly if you make grave mistakes early.  This project is still not running great but it is producing and headed in the right direction.

Another note, I dunked my cakes each time with pins and mushies.  No damage was done to any of them.  They survived each time I dunked. 
I've also knocked up another 10 jars of B+ to start over and see if I can stream line this process for better

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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: Redneck1986]
    #24256359 - 04/19/17 07:17 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Due, that's persistence.
Dunking is no joke!

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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: mynakedrat]
    #24257231 - 04/19/17 12:41 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I wrote this early this morning half a sleep but I did wait 3-4 days between dunks.  The reason why I had to re-dunk so much, is that 1, I birthed early and 2, I did not dunk then roll, I only dunked. This allowed them to dry out faster than we needed.  Also 3, I did not have enough perlite either for proper humidification of the chamber.    Finally when I got my vermiculite, I rolled them.  Now they are growing like crazy.  I checked on them 6 hours later and I got multiple pins about the size of my fingers, I think these are no longer pins but actual shrooms :grin:

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Re: B+ Pinned, then stopped [Re: Redneck1986]
    #24257246 - 04/19/17 12:46 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Right on!

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