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Plumbing issues in my house
#24253983 - 04/18/17 09:49 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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So it's a cool house. Built like an above ground soft bunker. Brick outside with cinder block within. Cement heated floors and a boiler.
Bad thing is the boiler, a lot could go wrong and no central ac.
Just changed a new kitchen faucet. Broke the old warm water handle and we changed the whole thing. Some of the plumbing is galvanized. Found a leak and the hot water pipe going through cinder block is rotting. Gotta change that out.
Some valves are rotted open. Even some new are stuck open. It would be hell to redo all the pipes in the house. The ones in the floor would be impossible.
Housing is cheap here. Got this house for low 50k's and it's valued at 80k's. Porch roof needs rebuilt. Windows need replaced. We have changed out several windows. The old windows are tuff as fuck. From 1950s when this house was built. Metal framed 4 inches inbetween the cinder and brick. Takes a saw zaw and lot's of duct tape to knock them out. Have yet to try and knock out the large front windows.
We got this house so I could afford to live and die here. Bills are very low here. Trying to rebuild the walkout basement room too. There is only a 20amp circuit upstairs and another 20amp for most of the living room and kitchen. The work we do we put in plenty of power. 20amps for the dishwasher (just broke too) and an outlet. 20 amps feeding one 15 amp outlet and probably some of the laundry room half bath.
Now the basement will have 2 20 amp services and lot's of oulets. Hopefully they legalize and I live within 20 years. Not planning much of a grow anyway. The room could also be a morel lab.
Just worried about the plumbing. I want as much well done as possible before it's all mine. I like old buildings but they always need money put in. Guess every house does. That is one reason I do not own a car. Seems one thing always gained is maintence experience.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: Morel Guy] 2
#24254034 - 04/18/17 10:07 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you have the funds, you should replace all galvi now before you do much else. Hire a leak detection company to mark out your pipes in the slab. You can get at them yourself if you feel up to it. Use a skil-saw with a diamond blade to score/cut the concrete around your marks. You probably don't have to worry about post tensioned cables in the slab if the house was built in the 1950's. Use a jackhammer to break the concrete inside your cutouts, and dig up your pipes. If you don't have the dough to replace both lines, at least replace the hot water. Hot water is 16 times more corrosive than cold, so it's likely that your hot water pipes are in 16 times worse shape. When you replace the concrete, it is important to dowel the slab in order to tie it back together. Drill some 5/8 holes into the existing slab. Blow the dust out of the holes with your compressor, spooge some epoxy into the hole, and insert lengths of rebar. Make sure to tap them in snugly. Fill your trenches back up with dirt to 4" below the level of the existing slab. **it is important to compact the dirt as you fill** I like to use a bit of sand for the last of the fill, and soak it down so it will find level. Make sure to lay down a vapor barrier (plastic sheeting) and then pour your concrete. Use this opportunity to run any additional lines for future service that you may want at some point.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: ballsalsa]
#24254288 - 04/18/17 11:55 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not ripping floor up if not needed. As far as I know those are good and copper. The bathroom floor gets really very warm.
Grandpa was and is a plumber but he's in his 80s. Step father is an electrical teacher.
The roof is newer and we want to put a steel roof on sometime. The trim around the roof needs some paint.
The boiler was new when we purchased the house. But we put wome new pipe in that feeds that. It was full of gunk and works a lot better now.
Money is always an issue.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#24254327 - 04/18/17 12:14 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Where i live, we use forced air heating, so a hot floor is usually an indication of a hot water leak under the slab. I gather that you are heating the home through radiant hot water heating, so probably not an issue, but if it were me, i would shell out a couple hundred to have a leak detection company roll through before i got too far into my remodel. A little slab work is cheap if you can do it yourself. tearing up finished floors etc. later is much more expensive. That said, if your grandpa is a plumber, and your step-dad is an electrician, they know whats up and i'm sure they are steering you in the right direction. If you have both galvi and copper tied together in your plumbing system, make sure they are separated by at least 4 inches of brass at the tie-ins. I would put dielectric unions also, just to be extra safe.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: ballsalsa]
#24254456 - 04/18/17 01:06 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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No it has heated floors as part of the design. There is no other heat source for the upstairs.
The middle floor also has warm floors but that's something else. It's due to the crawl space getting warm from the plumbing for the radiators.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: Morel Guy]
#24259812 - 04/20/17 02:46 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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you should also have you sewer pipes scoped out. i would bet you have some rotten cast iron pipes. kitchen sinks and mashing machines are notorious for rotting out cast iron.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: iateshaggy]
#24259862 - 04/20/17 03:20 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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No idea what the sewer line is like underground. The big sewer pipe running thru the laundry room is solid as fuck.
Did find the rotting pipe was a piece. Connected to a T pipe in the god damn cinder block running up in block to the upstairs bathroom. Lot's of gunk in the pupe and now no more hot water to the upstairs sink.
Hoping it let's loose and allows some flow upstairs. Really worried about these pipes in cement breaking.
Fucking assholes that built this house in '52!
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: Morel Guy]
#24260456 - 04/20/17 08:33 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Leave them dead in the wall, and bypass with a new pipe. Mount it exposed to the wall, and come up through the floor. Thats gonna be the cheapest way. You can mount some 2x4 to the wall and hide the pipe behind sheetrock later.
If your drains are not clogged, and they actually have proper fall, you probably dont have to worry too much about them. Cast iron should last close to 100 years assuming proper installation and no long term clogs. It not a bad idea to have someone send a camera down the sewer main though.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: ballsalsa]
#24261522 - 04/21/17 10:29 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
ballsalsa said: Leave them dead in the wall, and bypass with a new pipe. Mount it exposed to the wall, and come up through the floor. Thats gonna be the cheapest way. You can mount some 2x4 to the wall and hide the pipe behind sheetrock later.
If your drains are not clogged, and they actually have proper fall, you probably dont have to worry too much about them. Cast iron should last close to 100 years assuming proper installation and no long term clogs. It not a bad idea to have someone send a camera down the sewer main though.
I spent literally days of probing and digging to hope to find my septic tank when the camera guy took 15 minutes. Holy Shit live and learn.
Well my one house has some shitty galvanized pipes going everywhere. Literally many pipes running here and there. They sort of work but have a leak somewhere and are super old. I plan on putting in some new PEX from the well to the house and tie in and see how things go. There is still hope to at least isolate the leak given time under pressure perhaps a wet spot will appear. So far metal detectors don't work as there is PVC in the line. Sucks.
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Waiting for my step dad to retire. We'll do more work in 3 years when retirement comes.
We have 5 more windows to change out, 2 are doubles. Want to modernize some of these pipes too. Heard talk of a steel roof. Might fence in the yard sometime. The car port needs more work.
Hopefully someone legalizes the ganja. Probably could use half acre to acre of the hay field for money.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: Morel Guy]
#24264729 - 04/22/17 06:23 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, i would save up your money and gut out all the galvized pipes. Those things rot like hell. Replace with some good copper and wrap in good insulation.
Its gunna cost a bunch of money and getting to the piping is going to be near impossible, but u gotta do it for your forever home.
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Step dad feels confident.
He js just very anxious to live past retirement. I worry for his health and that he spreads the love. It is hard to get him away from all he has going on. It's easy to spend a lot of time on some land that farms. Always ton's lf time to tinker and lot's of tinkering needing done.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#24266148 - 04/23/17 11:48 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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What exactly is your plumbing question? I read through and the guys seem to be spot on. Video inspect the drain line, pull a toilet and scope through there. Install an outside cleanout. There are other options than a boiler. A lot of them are oversized and require yearly costly maintenance. Tankless technology is really good nowadays. Some sort of tankless w/storage and pumps. I dunno. Replace all the galvanized as soon as possible. Uponor pex is my favorite.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24266679 - 04/23/17 04:10 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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No idea what younare talking about. Tankless boiler?
Does not seem a tankless hot water heater is in the budget yet. Am I the king of meth or something?
I don't own the house. I rent from my mom and step dad. It's not much different than a slumlord..but less freedom and more freedom. I have a cool dog and a bigger house for less $. Can't grow anything though. Also got bitched at for buying 4 liters of wine tonight. She was saying Imwas deunk last week. Well I have spoke to her for years drunk and she never said anything. She's worried that I am like my Dad. I am half my dad and it's her choice who she married and who dad was. I think I can drink, smoke weed 1x every 3 years when I get a chance. Haven't been locked up. Doing pretty damn good.
I don't know how to make money legally. Everyone is such a sober tight ass cheap fucker. I work my ass of for them for goat meat and meals when I am there. I'm nlt lighting up a thousand watt grow light, growing mescaline amd shrooms or opium. Let the guy get a drink.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: Morel Guy]
#24446009 - 06/29/17 11:13 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are you done with the issues?
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: annebaca]
#24446541 - 06/30/17 08:32 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, the toilet upstairs is all messed up now.
Fixed the hot water line to the sink. Dishwasher still busted too.
I think when they changed the water main and hooke up the house, things got messy. Hope the boiler is alright.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: Morel Guy]
#24451192 - 07/02/17 02:06 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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if it makes you feel any better i have 30 feet of septic line being dug up currently. and i have some electric work to do but have to be frugal until i sell my old place.
can't really live without plumbing efficiently though.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: Morel Guy]
#24451235 - 07/02/17 03:12 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whats wrong with the toliet upstairs?
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Just got a new part. The float set up malfunctioned. Thankfully the valve to shut off water into the tank works. The new float is very modern. All one piece!
Water bill would be huge if that valve did't work.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: Morel Guy]
#24453549 - 07/03/17 12:57 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Faulty toliet floats are a big deal. If they stop working and dont shut off, u can flood your whole house! The $30 all-in-ones are waaaay better.
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That's what we have for the new piece.
The old one still in has an over flow drain but it costs a lot to keep it running. Why I am very happy the water falve shut off works. Just open it to fill the tank and shut it off.
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Re: Plumbing issues in my house [Re: Morel Guy]
#25427705 - 09/01/18 02:56 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I too need a plumber and I am looking for it urgently.
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