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 kolizion
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 regarding dmt extraction 
#2424420 - 03/12/04 02:22 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok. in order to make this post quick... i'll tell you what I did without detail up till now.
soaked root bark with low ph.
poured off all 3 strains into one container...
defatted 3x with naptha (althoug said not nec.. but i did anyway)
baseified using hydroponics ph booster (this could be my mistake? although ph adjusting is ph adjusting .. right?)
NOW where i'm at...
I added naptha to my jar... did it three times.... sucked up the 2 layers that formed... and got a little 3rd by acedent.
once I transfored the layers into the other jar.. I gave the jar a quick shake.... this is where I sit.. so any and all advice is needed. Should I simple suck out the 2 bottom layers and disgaurd evaping the naptha?
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: kolizion]
#2424531 - 03/12/04 02:53 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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hmm -- it doesnt look right to me... it still looks mhrb'ish...
after proper basification, it should have finally turned black. thin --- slippery black.
also -- somewhere it mentions defatting isint required with mhrb.. i read it too -- i cant stress how importand defatting is. dont stop defatting till fat visually ceases.
also -- when you get your pour off -- from the initial straining of the bark... let it sit in the fridge overnight -- youll freak when you see what settles. this step will help like a mf. ( you may need this step if you get oil as final result)
dont discard anything till you are done--- like till you have a final product.
once you have the naptha -- you just evap it. so if you gave it a shake it wouldnt matter -- since theres nothing in it but naptha, and hopefully dmt.
if you sucked up naptha, and nap/mhrb emulsion as well.. let it settle and do it again but only take the naptha... than evap. -- however with such a high ph -- emulsions settle out within a few minutes.. so --- if its not settling that fast maybe improper basification?
sodium hydroxide marketed as lye is 5 bucks or less...
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: plura16]
#2424701 - 03/12/04 03:28 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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your the man for such a quick responce.... well...
I saved both jars just in case I fucked something up.
my original jar... that I based my solution in.... went from black.. back to that ruby color.... yet along on the bottom... there is a black emulation layer....
so now I have two jars...
1 with the sucked off naptha, and could be fat under it, then mhrb juice....
and another with the basified water, and black shit at the bottom....
(edit)
(i'm sucking all the black shit off the bottom for shits and giggeles.. I have a strange feeling thats all my alks)
Edited by kolizion (03/12/04 03:33 PM)
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kolizion
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: kolizion]
#2424756 - 03/12/04 03:43 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok I sucked off all the black shit off the bottom.. this is what it looks like
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: kolizion]
#2424833 - 03/12/04 04:14 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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i have a slight feeling that the basification didnt work correctly.
it should go from red -- to grey -- to black and stay black.
after its grey/black black -- the alks should have been converted to freebase.
then you use the naptha to pull the freebase... the alks will than be in the naptha...
that black shit should be hopefully expleted basified mhrb juice.
if you have a jar with 'basified water AND mhrb juice"(stratified) this doesnt sound right.
after you basify you should have just mhrb juice, basified, and black.
the jar with solvent (nap) and fat and mhrb juice... is more of what you want -- minus the fat.
you want in the end the naptha which will hopefully contain the alks.
look at this -- very helpfull.... http://dmt-tek.i8.com/
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Edited by plura16 (03/12/04 04:16 PM)
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kolizion
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: plura16]
#2424857 - 03/12/04 04:24 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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sadly i have looked at those teks many a time...
I stuck my questionable payload in the freazer for an hour to see waht good deeds may come...
hopefully it will show sighns of crystals of there are any right?
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: kolizion]
#2424876 - 03/12/04 04:34 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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freezer works well.
what it does is totally separate layers of solvent from your other liquid, which is water based and will freeze out from under the naptha, which you can than pour off.
this way you dont have any remaining mhrb base juice left.
it wont help and crystals form( i dont believe ) unless you are going for recrystallization ( on and off hot cold ).
the link i gave is more of a tip sheet than an extraction tek...
the only place that had suggested the overnight refridgeration with initial washes of the mhrb. IT WORKS LIKE A MF.
sadly, i think, once again, that your choice of base did some odd shit.
but than again, im pretty new to mhrb. hopefully some heavy hitters will reply here.
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: plura16]
#2424920 - 03/12/04 04:55 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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aim me at : skrcro
or yahoo : djskarecrow
will ya?
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: kolizion]
#2425018 - 03/12/04 05:47 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah you defentaly need another base. i'm not sure what hydro ph adjuster is but it's probably something mild, maybe sodium carbonate or similar, anyway i doubt it would get the ph up where it needs to be you should always use litimus paper to check the ph to be sure. also i have never seen it go back to red/purple after black you defentaly screwed something up. you can try to basify with NaOH now, but i dunno how effective it will be, if the ph is up the D is probably deterorating the longer it sits in the basic solution. don't sway from the tek if it says use lye use lye not ph adjuster or your bound to run into problems, if you just do it exactly how it's written you will be succesful.
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: John]
#2425022 - 03/12/04 05:52 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Red Devil Lye is a really good clean base. Works great.
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kolizion
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: pietruk]
#2425056 - 03/12/04 06:15 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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there is seemingly quite a few teks out there, and each tek has something that makes another tek look inadaquite (sp)
which makes it quite frustrating.
ehh.. since I evaped off my naptha.. and got nothing...
i'm going to pour all substances BACK into the one container... ph it back down to 2...and try and basify again and see if anything different happens.
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: kolizion]
#2425650 - 03/12/04 10:40 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've wanted to get some DMT for a while. What method is this and from what root and where do i get it etc. Maybe you could just give me some linkage? 
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: bioTek]
#2425852 - 03/12/04 11:40 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Acid/Base Extraction a comedy in III acts was a post i made regarding the theory and mechanisms of acid base extraction, if you can understand it and are somewhat intelligent you could design your own reaction and carry it out the right way and get a good product.
I saw someone saying something about dissolving off the naptha. That's not right. That makes no sense even you don't need to worry about the naptha when you're trying to isolate alkaloids. Alll you should care about is that naptha is the solvent. You'll be using strong acid to convert the strong base/weak base alkaloids into soluble Cl/HCl salts that will separate into an aqueos layer that you can separate and then add strong base to neutralize and have the alkaloids precipitate out, then recrystallize and collect.
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: neuro]
#2427637 - 03/13/04 02:08 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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in the extraction method we were discussing here earlier... in the end.. the naptha will hopefully contain the sought after DMT, and you end up evaporating(dissolving) the naptha to reveal the crystals.
elfspices tek is a great example of this method.
http://www.ethnobotany-australia.net/archive/soma_extraction.html#contents
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: plura16]
#2429603 - 03/13/04 09:57 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't read the tek.
Is that in the recrystallization or at the end of the extraction itself? Eitherway, if it's the extraction then that would mean acid, neutral compounds, and weak acids were remove then the naptha isolated and evaporated to yield the bases which is stupid because you could just extract the base first. If you're going to recrystallize you shouldn't use naptha to do it for your isolated crystals.
I guess i'll go read the tek now to see why theyr'e evaporating off naptha to get crystals.
What i'd do is this, soak all the plant matter in naptha, do two maybe 3 soaks and combine. Add strong base like HCl to the mixture in a seperratory funnel and shake vigorously for 3 minutes, allow to separate and remove the aqeuos layer - the bottom layer - and add another amount of strong acid and shake vigorously and remove bottom aqueos layer.
To the strong acid add strong base, NaOH, until the pH is neutralized you should have the crystals fall out of solution, add some more water to that until it becomes cloudy and heat til boiling. Insulate the reaction pot and allow it to cool to room temp then put in an ice bath, remove crystals with funnel and paper or vaccuum funnel then wash crystals with cold solvent - ice cold water - and youv'e got your DMT Base crystals.
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: neuro]
#2430158 - 03/14/04 01:01 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Is that in the recrystallization or at the end of the extraction itself?
at the end -- the naptha is used to pull the dmt base. then its evaporated, then recrystallized if desired.
seen a tek using the (standard sounding)method you describe. after i find it ill post the link. someone has only done the extraction a few times, and it was performed using the elf method, and another similar style.
btw the alks in the plant matter are initially polar(right?) -- so im thinking the initial naptha soak as above would not work.
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: plura16]
#2432809 - 03/14/04 09:36 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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naptha usually picks up organic bases and alkaloids are basic so they dissolve somewhat well in naptha, you could also try dichlormoethane and two equal weight starting samples and see what youre recover it. But in general naptha will dissolve organic bases quite well.
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: neuro]
#2433409 - 03/15/04 12:11 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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i don't reccomend the use of dichloromethane or DCM because it is very caustic. naphtha is very good and evaporates fairly cleanly. it (naphtha) performs a lot better if you keep it warm.
a really good tek, probably the best i've come around is this... spiritplants.com
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: Psilostylin]
#2435787 - 03/15/04 04:31 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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>a really good tek, probably the best i've come around is this... spiritplants.com
a few problems with that tek - you don't need to soak so long, she doesnt emphasize the wash step. Basicly you'll end up with basic goo that degrades as you smoke it because the NaOH also reacts with the dmt, not to mention the effects of smoking NaOH. Read the links in my sig.
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What are some good sources of naptha?
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#2439607 - 03/16/04 02:00 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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the one i've always used was Coleman lighter fluid. it's a yellow bottle.
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: Psilostylin]
#2440335 - 03/16/04 05:31 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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this link says Coleman is dirty - http://www.salvia-info.com/lab/solvents/reports/index.html
You can buy VM&P Naphtha from hardware stores like ace, though it's always better to distill it if you can.
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jackgreen
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#2441565 - 03/16/04 11:08 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I got a flowering desmanthus, and I was wondering how much material is required to even bother extracting, as it is a smaller plant.
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: jackgreen]
#2441847 - 03/17/04 12:59 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it's reccomended that the plant be at least 3 years old.
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Re: regarding dmt extraction [Re: kolizion]
#3089550 - 09/03/04 10:16 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Guy's QT's extraction tek is many many years old and waaay out of date. The extraction tek I have written is much more up to date and is a collaboration of many in the DMT subculture so it is not just one mans work and expereince but the result of many. Unlike older teks this one is much faster and yeilds better and purer results. Please do not use QT's it has been shown to have some very inaccurate information in it. It was written in the early years of DMT studies. Alot has changed since then. You can find the most accurate tek at:
http://www.deepthought.us/dmt/
Be sure to check out all the pages of the site it holds a great wealth of information.
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