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blood4blood
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PE, cased vs uncased *pics*
#24243403 - 04/14/17 12:03 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Edited by blood4blood (04/17/17 04:44 AM)
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24243414 - 04/14/17 12:06 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow, these were started at the same time?
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: 3B3B4E]
#24243421 - 04/14/17 12:09 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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yep, exactly the same day. its crazy how the cased tub has just blew up
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24243462 - 04/14/17 12:30 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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WOW! pictures r worh a thousand words. That says alot. Very interesting. Great job by the way. Was this intentional to see the difference in case and not cased??
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: pekin420]
#24243487 - 04/14/17 12:40 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've already decided to case my next APE grow. Now I'm pretty damn sure that's what I'll do.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: pekin420]
#24243492 - 04/14/17 12:43 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes, I never case and always have great results, 4-6 dry oz's per tub first flush. (non PE)
I decided to give my PE another shot and did some reading saying that casing PE was the way to go so this is what happened
Edited by blood4blood (04/14/17 12:44 PM)
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24243501 - 04/14/17 12:46 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Ziran]
#24243554 - 04/14/17 01:09 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh, they'll get much bigger
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24243587 - 04/14/17 01:26 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great job! Amazing comparison. I read about casing PE recently after a big failure with my first monotub which of course was PE. It performed but have me ugly blobs and ball shaped mushrooms. It still have me almost 4 oz dry but still considered a failure. Not sure if I want to give pe another go yet. Waiting to see what the next flush will do, if it even comes up.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: coakes]
#24243590 - 04/14/17 01:29 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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holy . . . what casing did you use dude?
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: acidninja]
#24243713 - 04/14/17 02:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: acidninja]
#24243723 - 04/14/17 02:43 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's coir
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: mynakedrat]
#24243736 - 04/14/17 02:46 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wait so, sorry im not gettin this at all, but a casing layer is a layer of wet material that you put over your coled sub right?
So if i had a mix of grain and coir, you case it by putting more coir or verm or something over it right?
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: acidninja]
#24243753 - 04/14/17 02:55 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yep
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: acidninja]
#24244540 - 04/14/17 07:47 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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holy . . . what casing did you use dude?
just a coir, verm, gypsum mix thrown together. pasteurized it and applied it after the sub was fully colonized. through it back in the closet and let the mycelium colonize the casing 30% or so and then fruited it.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24244596 - 04/14/17 08:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are these from ms or what?
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Josh.0]
#24244600 - 04/14/17 08:09 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im going to case all my tubs from now on.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Josh.0]
#24244612 - 04/14/17 08:15 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Josh.0 said: Are these from ms or what?
yep, I have such great luck with MS innoculations into masters, then g2g from there I don't bother with trying to get isolates or clones.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24244646 - 04/14/17 08:29 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pretty profound results here Are they at least from the same g2g batch, Like relative limited genetics between the two tubs?
The difference here is like night and day. The reason I ask is that ms grows can produce different results like this to a certain extent.
As of late tho I'm sold on the idea of casing PE Good job nevertheless
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Josh.0]
#24244665 - 04/14/17 08:35 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes, same g2g. One master does 10 g2g and I use 5 jars per tub.
I really never have too profound of mixed results with MS. Its all I do and all of my tubs are usually really comparable
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24244734 - 04/14/17 08:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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what was your spawn to sub ratio
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24244783 - 04/14/17 09:20 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24245277 - 04/15/17 01:43 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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do you use wholes in your tubs I cant really tell in the pictures
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: bakenast]
#24245760 - 04/15/17 06:36 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh, and was it early casing before full colonization? I read that late casing would be for less aggressive strains. PE is very agressive, but it fruits a bit later. Early, anyway, right?
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bakenast said: do you use wholes in your tubs I cant really tell in the pictures
I spy the holes. They're a bit hard to see because they seem to also have some red tape, like the tape to fix the liner, but you could tell this red is where the holes should be, but on the outside. Corret me if I'm wrong, please.
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bakenast said: do you use wholes in your tubs I cant really tell in the pictures
yes, there are holes. they are completely covered while the tub is colonizing. when I introduce the tub to fruiting I just move the tape so there is only a fraction of the hole showing (maybe an 1/8th) I've been doing this for awhile now and it works great for me. I haven't messed with poly or tyvek in a very long time. I try and keep it really simple.
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royque1980 said: Oh, and was it early casing before full colonization? I read that late casing would be for less aggressive strains. PE is very agressive, but it fruits a bit later. Early, anyway, right?
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bakenast said: do you use wholes in your tubs I cant really tell in the pictures
I spy the holes. They're a bit hard to see because they seem to also have some red tape, like the tape to fix the liner, but you could tell this red is where the holes should be, but on the outside. Corret me if I'm wrong, please.
I cased this tub after full colonization, then put it back into fruiting until the casing was colonized 30% or so.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood] 1
#24245920 - 04/15/17 08:14 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not a terribly fair comparison when the other uncased tub didn't perform at all.
I'd be something if they both fruited well then it could be compared. Uncased PE tubs can grow a lot better
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: bodhisatta]
#24245942 - 04/15/17 08:25 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: It's not a terribly fair comparison when the other uncased tub didn't perform at all.
I'd be something if they both fruited well then it could be compared. Uncased PE tubs can grow a lot better
Would you agree on casing PE though?
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24245951 - 04/15/17 08:28 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not necessarily
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: bodhisatta] 2
#24245969 - 04/15/17 08:36 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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This looks more like a comparison between proper surface conditions and a dry surface. That uncased surface has no glistening from what I can tell. This is definitely a grow showing what happens when the surface is unideal.
A casing is great because it retains more moisture than just exposed mycelium, but a good grower will be able to easily mist his way through it.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Mad Season]
#24245985 - 04/15/17 08:41 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Soooooooo many pieces falling into place
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24246162 - 04/15/17 10:19 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, so as far as I understand cubes don't need casing period... but they do help the substrate don't they? Are there counter-indications for casing PEs? And next time I'll give my APEs a rest and go with the original
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24246192 - 04/15/17 10:36 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd like to know what you used for the casing as well. People don't usually use just coir for the casing. OP - whats this casing made of, please?
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Newb.00mer]
#24246220 - 04/15/17 10:52 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well if this is true looks like my PE tub is gonna grow six whole shroomies.
I've never cased.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: bodhisatta]
#24246870 - 04/15/17 04:24 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: It's not a terribly fair comparison when the other uncased tub didn't perform at all.
I'd be something if they both fruited well then it could be compared. Uncased PE tubs can grow a lot better
This makes no sense at all, how would it be a "fair" comparison if both of the tubs did the same? The uncased tub will perform just fine, it'll just take more time. Casing the one PE tub made fruiting happen exponentially faster than the other tub
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Mad Season]
#24246875 - 04/15/17 04:26 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: This looks more like a comparison between proper surface conditions and a dry surface. That uncased surface has no glistening from what I can tell. This is definitely a grow showing what happens when the surface is unideal.
A casing is great because it retains more moisture than just exposed mycelium, but a good grower will be able to easily mist his way through it.
Trust me, the uncased tub will do just fine, it just takes longer
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24246880 - 04/15/17 04:27 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I mean that if you got the uncased one to perform on par with the cased one so the comparison makes sense.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood] 1
#24248500 - 04/16/17 08:58 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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blood4blood said:
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Mad Season said: This looks more like a comparison between proper surface conditions and a dry surface. That uncased surface has no glistening from what I can tell. This is definitely a grow showing what happens when the surface is unideal.
A casing is great because it retains more moisture than just exposed mycelium, but a good grower will be able to easily mist his way through it.
Trust me, the uncased tub will do just fine, it just takes longer
You think I'm an idiot and can't identify a lumpy surface with barely any glistening? Its not going to do anything like your cased tub, it has a shit pinset because the conditions are shit. Sorry if you don't like hearing that. It needs a direct misting, until the entire surface is glistening with moisture.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24248594 - 04/16/17 09:34 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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does the PE yield the same or near to as a standard cube? and I see a lot of mixed reviews of potency, do you think theres any difference? thank
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: bakenast]
#24248604 - 04/16/17 09:36 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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It can yield the same, and on average it has better potency. That doesn't mean it won't ever produce duds.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Mad Season]
#24248616 - 04/16/17 09:40 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've done B+ on cakes, then GT and PE on rye to C/V/G/worm poo. Only once each. MS vendor syringes. PE head and heels above the rest
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24248641 - 04/16/17 09:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I love ms. I love how every grow is different, and you can never really know what you'll get.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Mad Season]
#24249345 - 04/16/17 03:44 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I never mist my mono's............. ever. Never open them and always get great pinsets and awesome flushes, 5-6 oz dry. Not PE, I havent touched PE in a very long time, but always MS.
And calm there sugar tits, I never claimed you were an idiot.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24249410 - 04/16/17 04:12 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: It's not a terribly fair comparison when the other uncased tub didn't perform at all.
I'd be something if they both fruited well then it could be compared. Uncased PE tubs can grow a lot better
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Mad Season said: This looks more like a comparison between proper surface conditions and a dry surface. That uncased surface has no glistening from what I can tell. This is definitely a grow showing what happens when the surface is unideal.
A casing is great because it retains more moisture than just exposed mycelium, but a good grower will be able to easily mist his way through it.
these guys are spot on, took the words from my mouth.
did want to congratulate you on a KILLER PE flush though, awesome picture
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blood4blood said: I never mist my mono's............. ever. Never open them and always get great pinsets and awesome flushes, 5-6 oz dry. Not PE, I havent touched PE in a very long time, but always MS.
And calm there sugar tits, I never claimed you were an idiot.
duuuuude.... calm down and you might learn something.
Mad & Bod were perfectly aware that you dont mist anything, its obvious from the pics, thats why they said what they said about why a casing benefited you so much
sounds like with your particular methods and workflow, not misting or dialing in airflow or anything, a casing is probably ideal for you, because does the job of providing the surface climate for you (which you dont even attempt to do in your uncased grows, by your own admission)
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: c10h12n2o] 1
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tried to help by telling him his surface is dry, op told me he knows what he's doing, as if I'm too stupid to tell what's up, I call him out on his shit and tell him how to fix it by misting it directly and he gets all pissy, and deletes this thread full of amazing information. Also, completely breaking a rule in this forum.. op just read this thread...
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
And please don't pull this kinda shit again
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Mad Season]
#24250629 - 04/17/17 01:19 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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fuckin ay thats weak... lookin at his ratings, he has a history of doing this, and filling the search engines with clickbait threads with all the pics deleted and all the good info referencing the pics
basically makes it so that the thread is useless to anyone reading, pretty selfish
ive always wondered why people do that shit :/
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: Mad Season]
#24250847 - 04/17/17 04:45 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pics are back..... I think. I thought deleting it would get rid of everything.
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Re: PE, cased vs uncased *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#24251077 - 04/17/17 08:21 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're being incredibly results oriented and your results aren't indicative of anything concrete. You should give both tubs as optimal conditions as possible given each scenario. As Mad pointed out, you haven't.
And as others have pointed out, you're running MS against MS, removing a control in the experiment. And even an isolate wouldn't be the end all be all since even isolates of PE can perform different on a grow-to-grow basis.
I like casing PE because they seem a lot thirstier than other cubes and I like to set and forget. I also fruit as soon as I spawn so I throw a casing on all cubes.
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