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Registered: 04/19/99
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Downtime at the shroomery
    #2423541 - 03/12/04 10:58 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)


> Maybe someone would donate the hardware if they saw you were in real need

We have already received a very positive response from our community and many have offered to send us monetary contributions. However, until we have the problem simplified to the lowest common denominators and a plan of action laid out, we are not going to accept people's money. That said, I appreciate all the generosity and love that people have been showing here and would like to thank everyone for their offers, and just for being a part of this community 

> Shroomery was going to setup a $5000 "slush fund" in case
> something like this happened. Where is that money now?

3D, your petty attacks outlined by the above quote is in the least annoying, but also just downright assholish 
I hate to stray off topic but I feel obligated to defend the administration: You took the community's servers in December when we offered you a more than fair position to work with us on the site as an equal partner. You also took most of December's vendor revenues. Since the administration today is primarily concerned with keeping this community alive and fair business practice, we credited our vendors for any fees they had paid for December since the site was offline a lot. These were fees we never even received in the first place that we ended up taking twice the burden for since you ran with the original receipts.

First off, I did not take the servers.  They are sitting in the same place they were a year ago.  You hired Vampire999 to hack into the servers by way of a Gentoo boot CD, and take the data from them.  He of course didn't take the physical hardware, because it never did, and never will be owned by "Shroomery".  I offered the use of the servers, but you CHOSE to use different servers.  YOU chose to put more financial burden upon yourself.  The site was running very smoothly before the whole backstab gang came into play.  The only people you can blame for anything that has happened, is yourself.

You never once offered me a deal as an equal partner, you offered me a slave position where I would be on "probation" for a while. Pretty funny choice of words you guys picked when you run a drug website.  I was stuck with a $460 a month contract that I signed for the Shroomery, and was left with no way to pay it... of course I'm going to keep as much as I can, after all other things I had worked so hard to gain were stolen from me.

> you're telling me you can't come up with enough money to get rid of this problem?

I doubt any amount of money would completely absolve us from the scale of the attacks we have been receiving. The internet, ISPs, and hosting companies everywhere would have to upgrade their infrastructure to prevent the type of attacks we've been seeing. That being said, the administration has consistently been pouring in thousands of dollars of our own money (the majority of which Vampire has been contributing for new hardware) to keep this site as stable as possible. We're not rich by any means 3D, do you want us to go pawn off our personal possessions as a sacrifice that might not even provide a proportionate benefit?

If that's what it takes, yes I do think you should make sacrifices to keep the site going.  I know I made many in my time as an admin.  Back then we had Thor and myself... 2 people versus 7 or 8 admins you have now.  If you are only worried about making your money back, then you shouldn't be an admin here.  You should put your money in no matter what.  Saying this, I know for a fact that at least a few of the admins here are very well off financially and should be able to support the site.

You're being extreme and I am very disappointed in the way you present yourself and your arguments. I hope not many will fall into your deceptive statements.

I'm disappointed in all the hypocrisy I see around here these days.  You are very wish washy in the way rules are enforced, one thing you blamed me of doing a while back.  You only enforce them when it suits you, mainly you let people sit here and attack me, but if it was anyone else you wouldn't allow it to happen.  I'll donate $100 to Shroomery if you can provide a single piece of valid evidence showing I am in any way responsible for these DDOS attacks.

> You're making a few thousand a month in banner revenue

Many vendors up and left ship after the changes at the beginning of 2004 and we have only been rebuilding our old vendor group. Though I don't have the numbers right in front of me, we are currently taking in less than $2,000/month, all of which is going towards replacing what we lost (what you took), paying for hosting, and expanding our own infrastructure. I will also add that in a few months we will be making regular (perhaps biannual) statements of our monetary situation to all members of the staff in efforts to alleviate all these ridiculous implications of embezzlement.

Why did the vendors leave?  Maybe because of the way you run things around here. ?? nah couldn't be that :smile:

You Suck 

Edit: I just looked up the April vendor balance and total unrealized income is $1,650... far less than your quoted "few thousand" - not to mention less $660 hosting for the month and heaps more than we even have for hardware. You sir, are an ass for personally attacking the administration. If you have legitimate concerns then make them - but to make blatent assumptions is just evil

If you are spending $600 a month in hosting, you are either A) lying, B) getting ripped off, or C) are paying for bandwidth and rackspace for people like mndfreeze.  He contributes ZERO to this site... why the special treatment?  Maybe it's because he's Vamp's best friend... so you're telling me there isn't any type of embezzlement or special treatment going on?

Your friendly neighborhood loon

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Re: Downtime at the shroomery [Re: 3DSHROOM]
    #2423546 - 03/12/04 10:59 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Are you trying to blackmail us?

What you're doing is illegal, and so are the DoS attacks, which account for a large loss of income to shroomery.

I have nothing to do with the DDOS attacks, so how could I be blackmailing you? I was simply talking about buying hardware and/or hiring people who know what they are doing.

You should listen to Cervantes.

Your friendly neighborhood loon

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Daisy Chain Eater

Registered: 12/04/03
Posts: 2,400
Loc: New York
Re: Downtime at the shroomery [Re: 3DSHROOM]
    #2423668 - 03/12/04 11:29 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Do you at least think that these DDOS attacks are wrong?
I mean, there's obviously bad blood between you and the admins here. But regardless of that, you must admit that what's being done to the shroomery is just immoral. Nevermind the handful of admins that may have fucked you. Nevermind that you're also trying to run a shroom site. Thousands of people use this site for very noble purposes.

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Registered: 11/17/02
Posts: 27,397
Loc: USA
Re: Downtime at the shroomery [Re: 3DSHROOM]
    #2423682 - 03/12/04 11:34 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

1) you ARE invloved with the DDOS
2) you have a bowl cut
3) plz go back to sacredshrooms and stay there
4) you are a child
5) tell your hacker buddies to cool it with the ddos

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Madmin Emeritus?

Registered: 06/01/02
Posts: 26,880
Loc: Radio Free Tibet!
Re: Downtime at the shroomery [Re: 3DSHROOM]
    #2423715 - 03/12/04 11:40 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

On tonight's episode of Divorce Court... :smirk:

Ok, 3D got his retort in, which is only fair, albeit understandably somewhat inaccurate and one-sided. However, I'm locking this bitch, because I'm getting tired of this endless litany of "he said / she said" tirades...

Everybody needs to go to their separate corners, and get on with their lives and the paths that they've chosen for themselves.

Put your good where it will do the most!? :smile:



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