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How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs 1
#24230319 - 04/09/17 12:51 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-jeff-sessions-wants-to-bring-back-the-war-on-drugs/2017/04/08/414ce6be-132b-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.dcf90a71aa58
When the Obama administration launched a sweeping policy to reduce harsh prison sentences for nonviolent drug offenders, rave reviews came from across the political spectrum. Civil rights groups and the Koch brothers praised Obama for his efforts, saying he was making the criminal justice system more humane.
But there was one person who watched these developments with some horror. Steven H. Cook, a former street cop who became a federal prosecutor based in Knoxville, Tenn., saw nothing wrong with how the system worked — not the life sentences for drug charges, not the huge growth of the prison population. And he went everywhere — Bill O’Reilly’s show on Fox News, congressional hearings, public panels — to spread a different gospel.
“The federal criminal justice system simply is not broken. In fact, it’s working exactly as designed,” Cook said at a criminal justice panel at The Washington Post last year.
The Obama administration largely ignored Cook, who was then president of the National Association of Assistant U.S. Attorneys. But he won’t be overlooked anymore.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions has brought Cook into his inner circle at the Justice Department, appointing him to be one of his top lieutenants to help undo the criminal justice policies of Obama and former attorney general Eric H. Holder Jr. As Sessions has traveled to different cities to preach his tough-on-crime philosophy, Cook has been at his side.
Sessions has yet to announce specific policy changes, but Cook’s new perch speaks volumes about where the Justice Department is headed.
Law enforcement officials say that Sessions and Cook are preparing a plan to prosecute more drug and gun cases and pursue mandatory minimum sentences. The two men are eager to bring back the national crime strategy of the 1980s and ’90s from the peak of the drug war, an approach that had fallen out of favor in recent years as minority communities grappled with the effects of mass incarceration.
Crime is near historic lows in the United States, but Sessions says that the spike in homicides in several cities, including Chicago, is a harbinger of a “dangerous new trend” in America that requires a tough response.
“Our nation needs to say clearly once again that using drugs is bad,” Sessions said to law enforcement officials in a speech in Richmond last month. “It will destroy your life.”
Advocates of criminal justice reform argue that Sessions and Cook are going in the wrong direction — back to a strategy that tore apart families and sent low-level drug offenders, disproportionately minority citizens, to prison for long sentences.
“They are throwing decades of improved techniques and technologies out the window in favor of a failed approach,” said Kevin Ring, president of Families Against Mandatory Minimums (FAMM).
[Sessions vows crackdown on violent crime in first major speech as attorney general]
But Cook, whose views are supported by other federal prosecutors, sees himself as a dedicated assistant U.S. attorney who for years has tried to protect neighborhoods ravaged by crime. He has called FAMM and organizations like it “anti-law enforcement groups.”
The records of Cook and Sessions show that while others have grown eager in recent years to rework the criminal justice system, they have repeatedly fought to keep its toughest edges, including winning a battle in Congress last year to defeat a reform bill.
“If hard-line means that my focus is on protecting communities from violent felons and drug traffickers, then I’m guilty,” Cook said in a recent interview with The Post. “I don’t think that’s hard-line. I think that’s exactly what the American people expect of their Department of Justice.”
Tough on crime When asked for a case that he was proud to work on during his three-decade career as a prosecutor, Cook points to when his office went after a crack ring operating in Chattanooga housing projects between 1989 and 1991.
This was during the height of the crack epidemic and the drug war. After the cocaine overdose of black basketball star Len Bias in 1986, Congress began passing “tough on crime” laws, including mandatory minimum sentences on certain drug and gun offenses. In 1994, President Bill Clinton signed one of the toughest-ever crime bills, which included a “three strikes” provision that gave mandatory life sentences for repeat offenders.
Federal prosecutors such as Cook applauded their “new tools” to get criminals off the street.
Cook said last year: “What we did, beginning in 1985, is put these laws to work. We started filling federal prisons with the worst of the worst. And what happened next is exactly what Congress said they wanted to happen — and that is violent crime began in 1991 to turn around. By 2014, we had cut it in half.”
To bring down the Chattanooga drug ring’s leader, Victor Novene, undercover federal agents purchased crack from Novene’s underlings. Prosecutors then threatened them with long prison sentences to “flip” them to give up information about their superiors.
Cook said in March: “We made buys from individuals who were lower in the organization. We used the mandatory minimums to pressure them to cooperate.”
Cook’s office also added gun charges to make sentences even longer, another popular tool among prosecutors seeking the longest possible punishments.
With the mandatory minimum sentences and firearms “enhancements,” Novene received six life sentences. Many of his lieutenants were sentenced to between 16 and 33 years in federal prison.
But sentencing reform advocates say the tough crime policies went too far. The nation began incarcerating people at a higher rate than any other country — jailing 25 percent of the world’s prisoners at a cost of $80 billion a year. The nation’s prison and jail population more than quadrupled from 500,000 in 1980 to 2.2 million in 2015, filled with mostly black men strapped with lengthy prison sentences — 10 or 20 years, sometimes life without parole for a first drug offense.
Obama, the first sitting president to visit a federal prison, launched an ambitious clemency initiative to release certain drug offenders from prison early. And Holder told his prosecutors, in an effort to make punishments more fairly fit the crime, to stop charging low-level nonviolent drug offenders with offenses that imposed severe mandatory sentences. He called his strategy, outlined in an August 2013 report, “Smart on Crime.”
Cook has called it “Soft on Crime” and said the Chattanooga case would have been much more difficult to make, “if possible at all,” in recent years.
“We were discouraged from using mandatory minimums,” Cook said about Holder’s 2013 charging and sentencing memo to prosecutors. “The charging memo handcuffed prosecutors. And it limited when enhancements can be used to increase penalties, an important leverage when you’re dealing with a career offender in getting them to cooperate.”
Cook has also dismissed the idea that there is such a thing as a nonviolent drug offender.
“Drug trafficking is inherently violent. Drug traffickers are dealing in a heavy cash business,” he said on the “O’Reilly Factor” last year. “They can’t resolve disputes in court. They resolve the disputes on the street, and they resolve them through violence.”
Winning on the Hill Cook and Sessions have also fought the winds of change on Capitol Hill, where a bipartisan group of lawmakers recently tried but failed to pass the first significant bill on criminal justice reform in decades.
The legislation, which had 37 sponsors in the Senate, including Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) and Mike Lee (R-Utah), and 79 members of the House, would have reduced some of the long mandatory minimum sentences for gun and drug crimes. It also would have given judges more flexibility in drug sentencing and made retroactive the law that reduced the large disparity between sentencing for crack cocaine and powder cocaine.
The bill, introduced in 2015, had support from outside groups as diverse as the Koch brothers and the NAACP. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) supported it, as well.
But then people such as Sessions and Cook spoke up. The longtime Republican senator from Alabama became a leading opponent, citing the spike in crime in several cities.
“Violent crime and murders have increased across the country at almost alarming rates in some areas. Drug use and overdoses are occurring and dramatically increasing,” said Sessions, one of five members of the Senate Judiciary Committee who voted against the legislation. “It is against this backdrop that we are considering a bill . . . to cut prison sentences for drug traffickers and even other violent criminals, including those currently in federal prison.”
Cook testified that it was the “wrong time to weaken the last tools available to federal prosecutors and law enforcement agents.”
After GOP lawmakers became nervous about passing legislation that might seem soft on crime, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) declined to bring the bill to the floor for a vote.
“Sessions was the main reason that bill didn’t pass,” said Inimai M. Chettiar, the director of the Justice Program at the Brennan Center for Justice. “He came in at the last minute and really torpedoed the bipartisan effort.”
Now that he is attorney general, Sessions has signaled a new direction. As his first step, Sessions told his prosecutors in a memo last month to begin using “every tool we have” — language that evoked the strategy from the drug war of loading up charges to lengthen sentences.
And he quickly appointed Cook to be a senior official on the attorney general’s task force on crime reduction and public safety, which was created following a Trump executive order to address what the president has called “American carnage.”
“If there was a flickering candle of hope that remained for sentencing reform, Cook’s appointment was a fire hose,” said Ring, of FAMM. “There simply aren’t enough backhoes to build all the prisons it would take to realize Steve Cook’s vision for America.”
Sessions is also expected to take a harder line on the punishment for using and distributing marijuana, a drug he has long abhorred. His crime task force will review existing marijuana policy, according to a memo he wrote prosecutors last week. Using or distributing marijuana is illegal under federal law, which classifies it as a Schedule 1 drug, the same category as heroin, and considered more dangerous than cocaine and methamphetamine.
In his effort to resurrect the practices of the drug war, it is still unclear what Sessions will do about the wave of states that have legalized marijuana in recent years. Eight states and the District of Columbia now permit the recreational use of marijuana, and 28 states and the District have legalized the use of medical marijuana.
But his rhetoric against weed seems to get stronger with each speech. In Richmond, he cast doubt on the use of medical marijuana and said it “has been hyped, maybe too much.”
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: yogabunny] 1
#24230402 - 04/09/17 01:37 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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They created this problem and their solution is always to lock people up.
They made the drugs illegal. Any joe schmoe poor guy knows he can get rich easily. Lot's of joes out there and they compete. Intel people supply the dope. Then the politcial phonies that started it all cry lock them up.
You can make hot-dogs and sugary drinks illegal and control the supply so it cost $500 a night. Of course people will get violent. Some people have gotten violent over mcdonalds fucking up an order.
I bet if people had recreational doctors to educate addicts and supplied them, there would be a lot less deaths. They want drugs to be wild so their stupidity looks rightous. You hardly ever hear of drs oding, and yep lot's of them supply each other and their wives. They are smart junkies
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: yogabunny] 2
#24230428 - 04/09/17 01:50 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I knew this was going to happen if Trump got the presidency.
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: Le_Canard] 2
#24230519 - 04/09/17 02:35 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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It must be nice to show "progress" with the war on drugs, while never actually making a difference.
These asshats point out all their drug arrests/convictions, how they were able to bring down the new age capones.. Well congrats, but for each one that goes down, two take their place...
And why is that? Because they're treating a symptom of a problem and not the actual problem.
This prohibition creates a lucrative black market swarming with the most cut throat individuals.. By cracking down on traffickers and seizing drugs, all they're doing is increasing the value of drugs and drug related jobs... More risk, more reward..
Forget that punishing individuals for minor drug possession with jailtime/stiff penalties is morally wrong and against everything our constitution was meant to protect us from... Forget that addiction is a medical issue and should be treated as such. How about focusing on how it's all horribly ineffective!
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#24230561 - 04/09/17 02:58 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think these guys are talking out of their asses. They obviously don't understand the problem and unfortunately for them only the president can make executive orders. Most of America has now been witness to the legalization of cannabis in a few states, and there is no evidence that these will go away, on the contrary, there is a bill currently to completley decriminalize and unscheduled weed at the FEDERAL LEVEL. this should be evidence enough that crotchety bags of hot air like sessions are largely ignored. Things will conitinue to improve; albeit may be more slowly. And besides with things like darknet markets and changing public opinion, there simply is nothing they can do to stop the flow of drugs. Especially now that the public is more well informed of the wastefulness of this "war"
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: FractalMind]
#24230589 - 04/09/17 03:16 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Plus this comes 2 days after a judge basically told him to fuck off... He he was trying to back out of a Baltimore civil rights deal. This Guy is trash and nobody actually listens to him. Ignore his hate speech and focus on the positive,more than half of country has cannabis legal in some form or fashion. Technically 3/5 is what you need for a compromise. This dude is just butthurt and upset that he and his cronies probably won't be able to do shit to people in the future.
Also pay attention to the wording the WASHINGTON POST used. They said "bring back the drug war."
Doesn't that imply that it has ended? (Maybe not officially but the article comes off a bit anti-sessions)
And let him bring back old policies. They failed once before and so they will again.
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: FractalMind]
#24230803 - 04/09/17 05:07 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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The drug war used to be huge
Judt same old same old these days. But there aren't many gangs and escobars are usually smaller. Guess it got complicated.
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: FractalMind]
#24231160 - 04/09/17 08:09 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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FractalMind said: I think these guys are talking out of their asses. They obviously don't understand the problem and unfortunately for them only the president can make executive orders. Most of America has now been witness to the legalization of cannabis in a few states, and there is no evidence that these will go away, on the contrary, there is a bill currently to completley decriminalize and unscheduled weed at the FEDERAL LEVEL. this should be evidence enough that crotchety bags of hot air like sessions are largely ignored. Things will conitinue to improve; albeit may be more slowly. And besides with things like darknet markets and changing public opinion, there simply is nothing they can do to stop the flow of drugs. Especially now that the public is more well informed of the wastefulness of this "war"
I think you're wrong. I am certain they will do whatever they can to proceed with this kind of ridiculous bullshit. There's already been talk of them trying to crack down on rec weed in the legal states and it's only going to get worse.
Curious though, did you vote for Trump?
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: sh4d0ws]
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“Drug trafficking is inherently violent. Drug traffickers are dealing in a heavy cash business,” he said on the “O’Reilly Factor” last year. “They can’t resolve disputes in court. They resolve the disputes on the street, and they resolve them through violence.”
that's because your racist policies are putting people away for decades scum fuck
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: Konyap]
#24231516 - 04/10/17 12:08 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Horrible AG pick I can only hope the russian probe has damaged his credability, Wtf does anyone from alabama know about drug reform. Also I did not vote Trump cause I knew this shit would happen. You can say whatever you want about Obama he has shown much more positive drug reform than the last 10 presidents. Not to mention the republican health bill that failed wanting to do away with addiction treatment and mental health.
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: tdubz]
#24231621 - 04/10/17 01:56 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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"You can say whatever you want about Obama.."
Well since I have your permission... He's a narcasist with an ice cold demeanor. A "light-skinned African American 'with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one." Certainly a puppet for the radical left.. At best an ineffectual leader, protected by the media who at every opportunity vastly misrepresented the poor state of the economy (recession) as up and coming/recovering.
"..he has shown much more positive drug reform than the last 10 presidents"
If by positive you actually mean largely ignoring the problem and not getting imvolved, then yeah.."positive."
It was all about image/popularity with him, if enough people pushed the issue he'd go with the tide but he was not willing to stir things up otherwise.
Regarding marijuana reform and dea raiding dispensaries still, he said he wouldn't get involved!
He said regarding the rescheduling of marijuana that if a bill was put on his desk he'd "probably sign it."
Yet his time is up and he did squat
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: Mush 4 Brains] 1
#24231652 - 04/10/17 02:37 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Um I do believe he did release and pardon a variety of non violent drug offenders more than any president combined. Obama attempted to fix the cocain crack disparity and in the final years of office respected state rights to legalize marijuana. Went out with a 56% approval rating, i mean arguably that is as good as it gets.
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: tdubz]
#24231677 - 04/10/17 03:23 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dont give up. They try to take away something, set up MORE (not less) grows. Fight the bullshit power. In this case it really is some white bread racist bullshit. Fuck thaf pasty-faced little elf
They draw their power *from the support of the public*. Now that MMJ is a huge operation, show em what we can do. And even shroomerites. Fuck you sessions. People i know in portland are still growing weed (legally), hasnt changed a thing so far
Only idiots really want prohibition. I wonder if the opioid users who voted him in want prohibition lol (oh trump, MAKE me go cold turkey for ya baby)
So yeah, words are words, but seems like nothing changed. Remember how sean spicer said 3 words and boom canna-stocks went plummeting? Fuck em. Just get used to hearing these assholes talk shit. Will they bring sentences up? Maybe for heroin. Will they really try to shut down rec states? I dont think thats likely at all and the blowback will equal more weed and perhaps a real end of prohibition (things usually get worse before they get better)
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: Fractal420]
#24231682 - 04/10/17 03:35 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/jeff-sessions-marijuana-crackdown-senators-react-235616
"The Trump administration is causing serious paranoia among marijuana advocates with its hints of a federal crackdown on recreational use. But Attorney General Jeff Sessions has privately reassured some Republican senators that he won't deviate from an Obama-era policy of allowing states to implement their own marijuana laws.
Sessions has rattled both libertarians and liberals in ordering a review of the hands-off pot policy under President Barack Obama. But Sessions provided some private assurances to senators before he was confirmed that he was not considering a major shift in enforcement, despite his opposition to the use of marijuana."
The truth is that sessions actually strongly believes in individual state power "handling state business". Will he keep MJ as schedule 1? Yes. Will he shut down business in legal states and especially MMJ? No. And remember, he doesnt even know the difference
"Weed Industry Warns Sessions Of ‘Enormous’ Consequences If Federal Policy Shifts"
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: Fractal420]
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Fractal420 said: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/jeff-sessions-marijuana-crackdown-senators-react-235616
"The Trump administration is causing serious paranoia among marijuana advocates with its hints of a federal crackdown on recreational use. But Attorney General Jeff Sessions has privately reassured some Republican senators that he won't deviate from an Obama-era policy of allowing states to implement their own marijuana laws.
Sessions has rattled both libertarians and liberals in ordering a review of the hands-off pot policy under President Barack Obama. But Sessions provided some private assurances to senators before he was confirmed that he was not considering a major shift in enforcement, despite his opposition to the use of marijuana."
The truth is that sessions actually strongly believes in individual state power "handling state business". Will he keep MJ as schedule 1? Yes. Will he shut down business in legal states and especially MMJ? No. And remember, he doesnt even know the difference
"Weed Industry Warns Sessions Of ‘Enormous’ Consequences If Federal Policy Shifts"
Oh wow he "privately reassured some republican senators" 
Just like Hillary said she would leave the cannabis industry alone before "privately assuring" bankers that she intended to crack down 
Only time will tell if those "assurances" are BS or not...
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: musiclover420]
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they don't even care when people die of opiods, it's all about fentynal and heroin, fentynal being that shadey chinese r.c. drug not the one the synthetic marijuana pharma CEO"s were caught peddling...
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: Konyap]
#24234090 - 04/11/17 06:11 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just to be clear, i wasnt implying theres no possibility of jeff sessions being an active, serious threat. But i was trying to add some of the positive news. Will he keep that word? I hope, maybe not BUT one thing is he does say he wants, in general, states to handle state issues. Marijuana is largely a state issue. It would also just not be in anyone's interest, and the practicality of rolling back how far this has gotten... I just dont think so
My state barely has "medical marijuana" i mean, people with cancer still gotta wait. We have alot of fucking fire weed though. The cannabis isnt going away UNLESS people stop caring about keeping it going. But people who really believe in this cause... "Civil disobedience" has gotten us this far (look at the west coast and some of the east coast too now. You smell bud everywhere in brooklyn for example. Half baked takes place in NYC, so many places just dying to "come out of the cannabis closet". I dont think sessions has the power to stop that
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: Fractal420]
#24234365 - 04/11/17 09:34 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have no fear about the cannabis movement being "stopped" per se. What does concern me is that he will try to impede its progress, and "make examples" out of many people along the line who never hurt anybody.
regardless the ganja is here to stay
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: Mush 4 Brains] 1
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Mush 4 Brains said: Forget that addiction is a medical issue and should be treated as such. How about focusing on how it's all horribly ineffective!
This has always bothered me. Alcoholism is a disease? But any other drug is a felony? Maybe some people need help in stead of jail time. What if someone has a bad situation and gets addicted to non-rx drugs. Rx addiction is fine as far as the law is concerned it seems. Then they get arrested for felony possession. Now, with that on their record, they are unlikely to ever get their crap together. How are they supposed to get a job with a record? So maybe they will just deal drugs or burgle stuff or whatever.
Maybe they don't need help and just want to party or whatever.
It doesn't take a genius to read between the lines. I don't even have to bother fact checking, I am sure that the alcohol and private prison lobbies contribute to the continued criminalization of drugs and the overly severe penalties that go with them.
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Re: How Jeff Sessions wants to bring back the war on drugs [Re: Bannannannaman]
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It all only strengthens the drug dealers. More felons mean they can't get good jobs and drugs of quality are all the more valuable.
Mmmm, should I work my ass off 50 hours a week to be barely above poverty....or should I grow 4 pounds of weed and make some fucking money and feel good?
Works for any drug.
Jobs for felons are just cover work so you can say a reason for having money. That and connections can be made at work. If they hired you a felon then they likely have other felons.
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