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 peleg
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 1st time fer staw 
#2422816 - 03/12/04 07:02 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok im using staw for the first time here cut 3'' lengths, throw in pillow case boil fer two hours, drain. so got that part dwn..when i go to put in container {turkey pan} do i just layer straw,,myc,,straw,,myc,,so on til it reaches the top.also do i need a casing layer? there is no need to soak straw before pasturizing right?would it be better to just mix a lil horse poo in there or what? what works best fer you guys?  
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: peleg]
#2422826 - 03/12/04 07:13 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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>also do i need a casing layer?
only when its fully colonized
>there is no need to soak straw before pasturizing right?
right. no need to soak.
>would it be better to just mix a lil horse poo in there or what?
thats a personal choice. you can go straight straw or mix them.
>what works best fer you guys?
compost works the best for me.. I am on my first straw log so I will report once that gets done.
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peleg
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: ]
#2422835 - 03/12/04 07:26 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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kwell dude like your qoute there at da bottom
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 Loki
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: peleg]
#2422856 - 03/12/04 07:43 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Boiling isn't quite pasturising, you need a stable temp of 170?F
for pasteurisation.
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Anonymous
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: Loki]
#2422862 - 03/12/04 07:45 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't notice that part.... yeah 170 is a good temp.
I did mine at 170 of 1 hour and 15 mins.
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Loki
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: peleg]
#2422863 - 03/12/04 07:46 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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You mix the spawn into the straw, as evenly as possible, and
a soak isnt needed, as pasteurization is pretty much a soak anyway.
Then you incubate it all again, untill the straw is colonised, then you case, and incubate again untill the casing is colonised, then you fruit.
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peleg
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: Loki]
#2422899 - 03/12/04 07:58 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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so you don't do layers like a cake per say but just kinda roll and mix evrything together.
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: peleg]
#2422920 - 03/12/04 08:05 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, no layers, I just mix it all together by hand, I find this
is better than layers, as its more even.
I do add a very thin layer of straw to the top, myself, but
it isnt needed.
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peleg
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: Loki]
#2422937 - 03/12/04 08:14 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok kweel, when all is mixed do ya compress it dwn, or should i leave it a lil airy?
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: peleg]
#2422942 - 03/12/04 08:16 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like to press it a little, but not much, and try to keep it airy.
Have a read of this, as I'm still a little worried that you
boiled your straw.
http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23371
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: peleg]
#2422961 - 03/12/04 08:25 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea I dont boil mine either. I put in a big pot and cover with tin foil so it holds the straw under the water then stick a thermometer down thru the foil. I bring the temp to 180 then turn it off and keep an eye on it, when it falls to 160 i turn it back on and bring it back up to 180 then turn it off again. then let it cool. It taks an hour or so to do what I just said and so far I have had very cool results. I also mix in the spawn with the straw. Dont layer it.
Max
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peleg
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: Loki]
#2422967 - 03/12/04 08:26 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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kweel dude, im still waiting on the myc run before i do up da straw, prolly be within a week or two, laying all the ground werk now so it'll be smooth sailing when da day arrives
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: peleg]
#2423015 - 03/12/04 08:42 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cool, glad you havent already.
This is how i do it (click)
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: peleg]
#2423074 - 03/12/04 08:55 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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well im going to go ahead and play devils advocate. When I do my straw casings I pack them down. NOt too tight but tight enough that the myc doesnt need to climb over canyons between the straw. The goal with straw is to get it to colonize as fast as possible. If it is very airy, it slows down the colonizing and thus opening a window for contams. Best way to mix it is to take a garbage bag and fil it up with straw and myc, then twist it up so there is air inside and it forms a balloon. then shake it all crazy style. After its good and mixed put into the container and take a text book or somethin like that and use it to pack down the straw. I weigh about 175, so I think body weight is sufficient to pack it down, just dont go jumping up and down. wait for that to colonize throughout and then case.
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peleg
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: Loki]
#2423098 - 03/12/04 09:02 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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cool that oven tek seems like da way to go, gonna have to give it a try...what kinda compost is that? homemade or can it be purchased at home depot? will just a layer of verm. work fer a casing layer?
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Re: 1st time fer staw [Re: peleg]
#2425452 - 03/12/04 09:02 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah verm will work but verm and peat will work better, also add some chalk to the mix and it will increase yeilds dramatically so ive heard, thats what Im going to do with my next one
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