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Is monotub ready to fruit?
    #24220145 - 04/05/17 10:12 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

This is my first bulk grow and I'm not sure how to know if my substrate is ready to be put into fruiting conditions. @_@ can't exactly find much info online for this particular stage in its life so I figured I'd ask around. I took two pictures of how the tub looks right now let me know your input please

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Twiztedfreek]
    #24220153 - 04/05/17 10:15 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: amidogen]
    #24220176 - 04/05/17 10:25 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

It won't let me post the pictures @_@ I'm trying to post sorry how do i post a picture?

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Twiztedfreek]
    #24220189 - 04/05/17 10:28 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Upload it to the site and it will give you a link.

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Twiztedfreek]
    #24220191 - 04/05/17 10:29 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)
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And what i mean is lol the tubs and threads I've been looking at seem to have more mycelium on the sub than i have so I'm not sure if i should let it keep colonizing. It's been almost 10 days now

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Twiztedfreek]
    #24220193 - 04/05/17 10:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I took a quick video my phone doesn't take pictures in a supported file format apparently

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Twiztedfreek]
    #24220216 - 04/05/17 10:41 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have a top layer of substrate or a casing layer on that? Depending on how thick it was the surface can be the last to fully colonize.


To answer your question you can wait for it to finish or you can put it in fruiting now if you want.
I've started (and many other people too) to case my tubs when I spawn and put them into fruiting conditions right away. Does very well this way.


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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Twiztedfreek]
    #24220218 - 04/05/17 10:42 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Well, what was your spawn ratio?

Also it looks like you have polyfill in your holes, during colonization you want duct tape over the holes and then when it's colonized, then you put polyfill in.

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: mushpunx]
    #24220219 - 04/05/17 10:43 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I swear this time last year, very few fruited at spawn claiming uneven pinsets, longer pin times, etc.

Seems in the last 6 months everyone does it now. I've never not fruited at spawning.


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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: mushpunx]
    #24220220 - 04/05/17 10:44 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Do you have a top layer of substrate or a casing layer on that? Depending on how thick it was the surface can be the last to fully colonize.


To answer your question you can wait for it to finish or you can put it in fruiting now if you want.
I've started (and many other people too) to case my tubs when I spawn and put them into fruiting conditions right away. Does very well this way.



I really need to try this out.  Have you tried this uncased at all?

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: PreparationH]
    #24220226 - 04/05/17 10:48 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I did a thin top layer of sub i didn't wana case since it's my first monotub group. I've only done BRF cakes before and they are easy to know when they are good to fruit. I thought about starting the fruiting cycle before i leave for work. I wanna make sure i don't need to let it sit longer first though

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: PreparationH]
    #24220227 - 04/05/17 10:49 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Do you have a top layer of substrate or a casing layer on that? Depending on how thick it was the surface can be the last to fully colonize.


To answer your question you can wait for it to finish or you can put it in fruiting now if you want.
I've started (and many other people too) to case my tubs when I spawn and put them into fruiting conditions right away. Does very well this way.



I really need to try this out.  Have you tried this uncased at all?





Tub in my sig didn't have a thing covering the exposed WBS.


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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Twiztedfreek]
    #24220271 - 04/05/17 11:16 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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I did a thin top layer of sub i didn't wana case since it's my first monotub group. I've only done BRF cakes before and they are easy to know when they are good to fruit. I thought about starting the fruiting cycle before i leave for work. I wanna make sure i don't need to let it sit longer first though




Yea the top layer can take a while to colonize
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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: PreparationH]
    #24220281 - 04/05/17 11:19 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Do you have a top layer of substrate or a casing layer on that? Depending on how thick it was the surface can be the last to fully colonize.


To answer your question you can wait for it to finish or you can put it in fruiting now if you want.
I've started (and many other people too) to case my tubs when I spawn and put them into fruiting conditions right away. Does very well this way.



I really need to try this out.  Have you tried this uncased at all?




Not yet no. I think a casing layer is a good idea doing it this way tho


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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: mushpunx]
    #24220433 - 04/05/17 12:21 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

At 10 days though this should be further along I'd think. Right?

I thought it had to do with the holes not being taped but if you guys are fruiting at spawning, how long are those tubs taking to fully colonize?


Could this just be from a low spawn ratio?  Op how many jars of spawn and sub did you use?  It could even be the substrates water content... What is your substrate mix?

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: PreparationH]
    #24220463 - 04/05/17 12:38 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Question, with a lot of us spawning at fruiting now, you either case when you make your tub, or you dont case at all, right? Because before the standard was to let it sit for a while with holes taped, let it colonize, then case and fruit. People said not to case after fruiting as it can trap contams that are on the surface. However, spawning isn't sterile, and usually won't be. So can I case after the top uncovered grains colonize, in fruiting conditions?

That was tough to get out. Probably tough to read. I get to writing shit sometimes sorry


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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #24220533 - 04/05/17 01:13 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I've heard a lot of opinions both ways. I usually case, but a lot of folks get great results with no casing layer.


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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: CapnZ]
    #24221269 - 04/05/17 06:48 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Yea (when I did case) I used to tape up the holes and then case once fully colonized, then when the casing was at 25% or so I would patch and fruit.

Then I started  casing at 100% colonization and fruiting right away

Now I spawn, case and fruit right away. I like it best. I think the fresh air deters contams to an extent.


Regardless of how I did it I didn't case after fruiting (or late casing).


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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #24221425 - 04/05/17 07:57 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I got what your saying Moabfighter, and Im wondering the same thing

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: PaulWall]
    #24226676 - 04/07/17 10:49 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

update us Twiz, how is it coming along?

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: PreparationH]
    #24227667 - 04/08/17 11:53 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

So I totally fruited early for sure and I'll upload some pics before work but so far it's been doing much better in fruiting conditions LOTS of nice fluffy growth all over sub

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Twiztedfreek]
    #24227687 - 04/08/17 12:01 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Something seems off...I could be wrong though. It's the weird kinda melted cheese looking mycelium that gives me the vibe.


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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #24227752 - 04/08/17 12:40 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I've had before cakes grow similar mycelium on them before and still fruit fibeactuall usually a sign that i was going to produce alot of fruits from the cake

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Twiztedfreek]
    #24227907 - 04/08/17 02:08 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Why do you have all those holes drilled at substrate level? Who told you to do that?


Anyways I think your tub is bacterial. It'll still fruit most likely


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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: mushpunx]
    #24227929 - 04/08/17 02:18 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

What kind of bacteria!?!? Anything i can do at this point to prevent??

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Twiztedfreek]
    #24227942 - 04/08/17 02:25 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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What kind of bacteria!?!? Anything i can do at this point to prevent??




Not a clue (doesnt matter anyways) and no. Bacterial sub's will still fruit most of the time though.
Honestly it's kinda hard for me to tell from the photo but it looks a bit bacterial to me.
Did you inoculate your spawn with a clean culture on agar?

What's with the all the holes at substrate level?


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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: mushpunx]
    #24227948 - 04/08/17 02:29 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

The monotub Tel i used had holes at sub level for Fae and i inoculated spawn bags from multispor syringes

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: mushpunx]
    #24227952 - 04/08/17 02:31 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

thats bacterial like a mofo. reminds me of one of my first grows. i was told it was overlay.:rofl:


just give all the fresh air you can, cracked lids, unstuffed holes. just keep the surface moist. it
looks rather dry.

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did you buy a kit?
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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: mushboy]
    #24228524 - 04/08/17 06:26 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I'm buying a fan for the closet it's in to increase air exchange and I'll lightly mist the actual sub for added moisture i hope it doesn't affect overall yeild

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    #24228525 - 04/08/17 06:27 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

No i didnt exactly buy a kit i made the monotub myself but bought presterial spawn bags and sub

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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Twiztedfreek]
    #24228536 - 04/08/17 06:31 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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No i didnt exactly buy a kit i made the monotub myself but bought presterial spawn bags and sub




Learn to make your own. it'll be less likely to contamn once you get good at agar and agar 2 grains. plus its a lot cheaper.


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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Ziran]
    #24248535 - 04/16/17 09:14 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

So I had a stressful fight with the bacterial infection I was able to remove most of it and noticed pins forming on the sub today @_@ I'm super excited now I'll post pictures of my Frankenstein monotub tomorrow lol

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    #24248568 - 04/16/17 09:27 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

remove a bacterial infection?? oh.. please explain this.
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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: mushboy]
    #24248651 - 04/16/17 09:56 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Didn't you know you can remove bacteria by pouring a mixture of peroxide and bleach over the entire substrate, and chanting a Buddhist prayer? Cmon mush, get with the times


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    #24249622 - 04/16/17 05:54 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I was able to scrap off most of what was growing on the top with a spoon then i treated the whole tub with iso and water for a day

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    #24250394 - 04/16/17 10:46 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

You know bacteria grows through the mycelium very rapidly right? If the whole surface is bacterial, it's also inside it as well. So all you did is scraped off the top layer of myc, causing unnecessary damage to your pinning surface, and prolonging pinning in a substrate that was already a ticking time bomb for trich. Then soaked it in alcohol, which would damage the surface even more, making it even more susceptible to contams..

Good luck lol. Cubes are hardy tho, I wouldn't be surprised if it does survive.

I seriously hope there isn't a next time, but there always is.. Next time, just try fruiting it as is.


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Re: Is monotub ready to fruit? [Re: Mad Season]
    #24263131 - 04/22/17 12:07 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I just pulled my first flush and dunked. Only the left side of my tub fully fruited hoping that the next flush is better i payed a price of parchment t paper over the top when i put it back in my fruiting environment to hopefully get a nice even pin set this time. But had a 736.45 wet grand pick so not bad at all for a first attempt. I call this a success. I'll post a picture of the harvest in a second they turned out amazing the ones that grew.

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    #24263368 - 04/22/17 04:25 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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