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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: koods]
#24216258 - 04/03/17 07:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met with Russian spy in 2013
Carter page has confirmed this story.
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foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump's presidential campaign met with a Russian intelligence operative in 2013 and provided him documents about the energy industry, according to court filings.
The Russian, Victor Podobnyy, was one of three men charged in connection with a Cold War-style Russian spy ring. According to the court documents, Podobnyy tried to recruit Carter Page, an energy consultant working in New York at the time, as an intelligence source. Page is referred to in the filing as "Male-1."
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: koods]
#24216382 - 04/03/17 08:23 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Blackwater founder held secret Seychelles meeting to establish Trump-Putin back channel
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the FBI has been scrutinizing the Seychelles meeting as part of a broader probe of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election and alleged contacts between associates of Putin and Trump.
smoke. Smoke and more smoke
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: koods]
#24216445 - 04/03/17 08:49 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Congress will certainly pass that. I hope the people reject it as they did the first healthcare bill, but maybe there's too many "Webster's" out there.
I say let them pass it and watch the economy go officially into recession, maybe that will be the final nail into the coffin for "trickle down".
Trump is turning you into a leftie
Trump's tax cuts plan isn't going to turn around the massive wealth inequality that is taking place. The cuts also won't produce any economic growth in my opinion.
The current economic cycle is getting very extended, the economy is due for a recession regardless of Trump's potential polices.
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#24216492 - 04/03/17 09:11 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think it is a certifiable fact, and I'm guessing throughout our entire history, that the extent to which a scandal damages a President is dependent almost entirely on their popularity at the time.
Also perception overrules "reality" in politics.
If anybody's interested I welcome a discussion on any scandal from Watergate on.
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: Brian Jones]
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I would agree. Arguably the most egregious betrayal of American law was Iran contra, but everyone loved reagan.
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#24216852 - 04/04/17 12:46 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Regarding the OP, another reputable investigative journalist, Matt Taibbi, has this to say:
Putin Derangement Syndrome Arrives
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Whatever the truth about Trump and Russia, the speculation surrounding it has become a dangerous case of mass hysteria . . . Even I think there should be a legitimate independent investigation – one that, given Trump's history, might uncover all sorts of things. But almost irrespective of what ends up being uncovered on the Trump side, the public prosecution of this affair has taken on a malevolent life of its own.
I learned everything I ever knew about the banking crisis from Matt Taibbi. The big banks created these new financial instruments to screw the small banks, I forgot a lot of the jargon but I believe one was Collateral Debt Swaps. The point was the big banks bundled thousands of mostly high risk mortgages into a new financial instrument and was somehow able to portray it as not being high risk. They sold them to the small banks. If that wasn't bad enough the big banks then made huge "bets" that the instruments they sold would fail. Disgusting.
Much earlier I read a similar phenomena in Michael Lewis' (Moneyball) first book "Liars Poker". It's in my basement somewhere. Improbably Lewis was hired into Soloman Brothers bond division with no economics or finance training through family connections. First I learned little tidbits of information like employees make far more money in the bond division and getting assigned to stocks was like being sent to Siberia. Stocks were a very low status career in this firm. And the people who sold bonds were little fish compared to the bond traders, I guess because traders were buying and selling inter-big bank bonds in amounts orders of magnitude higher than what the bond sellers were selling. Then there was an uneducated guy named Lewey Raineri who started in the mail room and ended up near the top for devising a new method of bundling (I believe) bonds or mortgages, can't remember, last reading was about 12 years ago.
But the punchline of Liars Poker was about the S&L crisis. Lewis concluded that every deal required a fool, and in this crisis our own local S&Ls were the fools screwed by big banks. Go figure.
The masses have gotten the shaft from bank deregulation, the repeal of glass steagall, etc. Regular people seldom know anything about this stuff and even small and medium sized businesses who were attracted by the term deregulation had no idea what they getting into. How much deregulation actually helped them?
I got what has to be Taibbi's latest work in my mailbox today. Haven't got to it yet but the title is Trump the Destroyer. In a chaotic rollout for the ages, Trump stuffed his Cabinet with tyrants, zealots and imbeciles-all bent on demolishing our government from within"
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: koods]
#24216861 - 04/04/17 12:51 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met with Russian spy in 2013
Carter page has confirmed this story.
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foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump's presidential campaign met with a Russian intelligence operative in 2013 and provided him documents about the energy industry, according to court filings.
The Russian, Victor Podobnyy, was one of three men charged in connection with a Cold War-style Russian spy ring. According to the court documents, Podobnyy tried to recruit Carter Page, an energy consultant working in New York at the time, as an intelligence source. Page is referred to in the filing as "Male-1."
Blackwater founder held secret Seychelles meeting to establish Trump-Putin back channel
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the FBI has been scrutinizing the Seychelles meeting as part of a broader probe of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election and alleged contacts between associates of Putin and Trump.
smoke. Smoke and more smoke
Lots of "almost something here" from you (translation - lots of nothing).
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: Brian Jones]
#24216862 - 04/04/17 12:51 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: zZZz] 1
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: Webster10]
#24217135 - 04/04/17 07:12 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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He's a liberal troll, not subject to banning
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: koods]
#24217139 - 04/04/17 07:15 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: I would agree. Arguably the most egregious betrayal of American law was Iran contra, but everyone loved reagan.
Not true, the left hated Reagan, they constantly accused him of having dementia, plotting to starve children and the homeless, etc etc. Sound familiar?
They are treating Trump just like they treat every single republican, it's the Same playbook they've had for fifty years, difference now is they don't have all the media carrying their water, only most of them.
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#24217207 - 04/04/17 08:15 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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And now it's all coming back to bite them
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/04/report-susan-rice-ordered-spreadsheets-trump-campaign-calls/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Watch how fast the Russian collusion accusations go away and the media will move onto their next made up story to discredit their political enemies
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#24217585 - 04/04/17 11:28 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: And now it's all coming back to bite them
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/04/report-susan-rice-ordered-spreadsheets-trump-campaign-calls/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Watch how fast the Russian collusion accusations go away and the media will move onto their next made up story to discredit their political enemies
Her job is national security. A political campaign colluding with a foreign power is perfectly in her purview.
I don't know why the right continues to push these stories that only add more evidence that the trump campaign was up to no good.
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: koods]
#24217593 - 04/04/17 11:33 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/04/report-susan-rice-ordered-spreadsheets-trump-campaign-calls/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Watch how fast the Russian collusion accusations go away and the media will move onto their next made up story to discredit their political enemies
Her job is national security. A political campaign colluding with a foreign power is perfectly in her purview.
I don't know why the right continues to push these stories that only add more evidence that the trump campaign was up to no good.
Why does being "wiretapped" automatically lead one to concluded "that the trump campaign was up to no good"? It doesn't.
"Her job is national security"
Very true, hopefully her actions weren't politically motivated.
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: koods]
#24217752 - 04/04/17 12:42 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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qman said: Why does being "wiretapped" automatically lead one to concluded "that the trump campaign was up to no good"? It doesn't.
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#24217863 - 04/04/17 01:18 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Americans spent decades being indoctrinated to fear the Russians. Russia is a convenient bogeyman to be trudged out whenever the natives get restless. I imagine a similar but inverse mechanism is in place on the Russian end.
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: ballsalsa]
#24217949 - 04/04/17 01:48 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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This has nothing to do with the old russia. The problem is Putins Russia, who allies with a government who uses chemical weapons against its own people. A Russia that uses cyber warfare to meddle in the democratic process of other nations A Russia that is run by a dictator who kills his political opponents.
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#24218002 - 04/04/17 02:10 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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like i said before, i wouldn't drink any tea he offered me. that said, i don't think its in our best interest to engage in brinkmanship with him at this time.
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Re: Compilation of how pathetically false the left's "Trump-Russia Collusion" narrative is. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#24218136 - 04/04/17 03:05 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Breitbart
Rice denies that she had any such spreadsheet.
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