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Cocainesocket89
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Changa dosage advice first experience.
#24206580 - 03/30/17 08:36 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey so I think I'm finally ready to handle dmt. Also it is super uncommon to come by around here but my guy finally got some. He's selling it for 15$ a point is this a reasonable price. Is this just like regular dmt where you smoke like 30mg or what? Also do you use the lightbulb meth pipe thing or a tobacco pipe or what. I'm very new this, pretty clueless but I would really like to try it
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Changa is typically 50% DMT, but you should ask your source about the DMT content. If it's 50%, you would consume twice as much as you would with freebase, so for a sub-breakthrough trip, you should do 40-65 mg, and breakthrough is about 90 mg+. The beauty of changa is you can just smoke it like weed, no careful vaporization necessary. You want to get as much in your system as fast as possible, so I would recommend a bong or a similar device.
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Re: Changa dosage advice first experience. [Re: TJDShroomer]
#24206739 - 03/30/17 09:50 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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$15 a point is a decent price, a little expensive but not a total rip off. That quantity is enough for breakthrough. Make sure you do your research, read trip reports, etc.
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Re: Changa dosage advice first experience. [Re: TJDShroomer]
#24206755 - 03/30/17 09:58 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok thanks so much, typically how long does changa last?
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TJDShroomer
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The MAOIs make it last a little longer than freebase. II would say 15 minutes tops.
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I thought changa was herb (not necessarily psychoactive herb) infused with dmt. It's typically only twice the weight though? That seems odd to me. Ime dmt normally runs from 60-100/gram, though I've heard it going for as much as 150. That is way overpriced imo. If you're just getting 100mg though I'd expect a markup so 15 may be okay, though I don't know about changa, I'd expect to pay less for that.
Edit: maois? I clearly don't know what changa is.
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Re: Changa dosage advice first experience. [Re: krypto2000]
#24206861 - 03/30/17 10:55 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: maois? I clearly don't know what changa is.
Real changa is an MAOI leaf such as B. Caapi infused with DMT. Non MAOI herbs infused with DMT is just called enhanced leaf, but sometimes incorrectly called changa.
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Re: Changa dosage advice first experience. [Re: TJDShroomer]
#24206905 - 03/30/17 11:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: maois? I clearly don't know what changa is.
Real changa is an MAOI leaf such as B. Caapi infused with DMT. Non MAOI herbs infused with DMT is just called enhanced leaf, but sometimes incorrectly called changa.

With "real changa"...Isn't there also extracted harmine and/or harmaline and/or a mix of harmala alkaloids also infused into the leaf? I always assumed so?...or at least that's the image I had in my mind of what "changa" was .
I'm pretty sure that there is relatively little harmala alkaloids in caapi leaf (it's mostly concentrated in the vine). So I wouldn't think that there would be enough maoi available in 50mg (give or take) of smoked caapi leaf to do anything to enhance or prolong the duration of the dmt/experience. I always assumed when people talked about changa lasting longer it was because of added extracted harmala alkaloid(s)...?....I don't know though, I've never made or worked with the stuff personally.
Either way, that's how I intend on going about putting together a batch of changa or enhanced leaf when ever I get around to it ...a mix of the plant material, the spice, and some extracted harmala alk. Seems like it'd be such a more "wholesome" and well rounded experience compared to smoking dmt crystal by itself.
And I'd mix some of it at a ratio where I can smoke little joints of the stuff (or bigger for sharing), over the course of like 30 to 60 minutes, slowly getting deeper and deeper into it....and also mix some at a ratio for just taking two or three big tokes quickly.
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Re: Changa dosage advice first experience. [Re: openmind]
#24207206 - 03/31/17 04:00 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I made and am about to try some changa myself today. Yesterday, a 80mg pure dmt hit ripped me appart so I'm really interested in a smoother way to smoke. Like changa in a joint. 
Changa is any smokable herb infused with harmalas + dmt, mostly in a ratio 1:1 ((herb + harmala):(DMT)), so true changa is 50% DMT indeed! Without harmalas it's only called enhanced leaf. The harmalas in changa make the experience longer and stronger, from what I've heard. I know that smoking freebased harmalas does potentiate other drugs.
The simplest way for changa is indeed caapi leaf infused with dmt, as the caapi already contains some harmalas. For a true potentation of the DMT you need more harmala alkaloids. Some people use cappi leaf infused with 10x caapi extract + DMT. Or isolated freebased harmala alkaloids in a ratio 4:1 DMT:Harmala.
That's what I did today. I have no caapi but tobaco, damiana, peppermint and passiflora herb. I used 350mg DMT, 100mg freebased harmalas, 100mg passiflora incarnata herb, 100mg peppermint herb, 100mg damiana leaves and half a gram ground tobaco. All mixed together well, then soaked in a shotglass with a minimal ammount of acetone. Then let evapotare while mixing well. When it's dry you're done.
Now I have about 1.25g changa with about 30%dmt. That means 100mg of my changa have about 30-35mg DMT.
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Re: Changa dosage advice first experience. [Re: Pandemoon]
#24208378 - 03/31/17 02:20 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said:
Changa is any smokable herb infused with harmalas + dmt, mostly in a ratio 1:1 ((herb + harmala):(DMT)), so true changa is 50% DMT indeed! Without harmalas it's only called enhanced leaf.
Yea, that's what I thought.
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That's what I did today. I have no caapi but tobaco, damiana, peppermint and passiflora herb. I used 350mg DMT, 100mg freebased harmalas, 100mg passiflora incarnata herb, 100mg peppermint herb, 100mg damiana leaves and half a gram ground tobaco. All mixed together well, then soaked in a shotglass with a minimal ammount of acetone. Then let evapotare while mixing well. When it's dry you're done.
Now I have about 1.25g changa with about 30%dmt. That means 100mg of my changa have about 30-35mg DMT.
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Nice .
Sounds like a nice blend and ratio of the goods.
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