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The Disposable Society vs. Repairing * 2
    #24207363 - 03/31/17 06:45 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

The places you take electronic stuff to get it fixed or to buy cheap repaired items is long gone.  Computers have guaranteed complexity and propriety that makes repair economically unfeasible.  If one looks at the mountain of "recycled" computers phones etc. and the ecological disaster this largely out of sight out of mind reality creates it is disturbing.

Fast forward to yesterday, me fighting the forces of disposing a perfectly maybe useful old Moen faucet.  Sure, it's leaked out the bottom for a while, but now god damn it I installed it again (oops) and it still leaks.  Let's take it apart.  Hmm.  Halfway there but I need help.  Time for a youtube video break!

OK got the cartridge almost out, Moen has a tool to loosen them, time to go to the hardware store!  OK first guy a plumbing joker, no need for him.  Thank God Lonnie is here.  Lonnie has the tool and pulls out the old cartridge, but that's really not the problem.  Since nobody buys parts anymore, there aren't Oring kits sitting on the shelf, or actual repair kits with cartridge and Orings, that would be too easy. No, we are going to have to hand select each Oring out of the Oring dresser with all the drawers.  But no, maybe this thing really is fucked up what is all that corrosion that blue shit on the copper casting?  Will another hour and 35 bucks in parts really solve this problem? 

Fuck it, bought a new Moen kitchen faucet the Adler 65 bucks.  Lonnie looked at the manual, no parts list included, no idea what could be done to repair it in the future.  Well the future is now and this thing has two 3/8" compression lines hanging off the bottom.  Nice long lines however odd that arrangement.  The connection was a bit tricky to my 1/2" male FIP to female 3/8" compression, that adapter was in my personal parts bin.  Always save anything you get buying pluming stuff, little reducers like that male to female, are gold when you need one.  I needed one.  I had three.  And never buy the spray thingies with your cheap faucet those things leak eventually and never work right period.  If you have 200 bucks go ahead buy the fancy moen with the pull down sprayer and the weight at the bottom and once again a long flex hose thanks moen for not scrimping on distance more flex is better if you need the distance you gotta have it or add it.

Well that's it, don't bother trying to fix shit just buy new.  We need the jobs and more junk in landfills.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24214615 - 04/03/17 06:02 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I hear you. I try to repair stuff and use it as long as possible, but more often than not, it just doesn't make sense form an economic viewpoint. Let's just hope effective recycling (as opposed to downcycling, incineration and landfilling) will make up in the future for the lack of repair and reuse that we manage now.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: koraks]
    #24214856 - 04/03/17 09:21 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah, I hear you. I try to repair stuff and use it as long as possible, but more often than not, it just doesn't make sense form an economic viewpoint. Let's just hope effective recycling (as opposed to downcycling, incineration and landfilling) will make up in the future for the lack of repair and reuse that we manage now.




Plastic doesn't seem to have any recycling capability but I sure save a shit ton of bottles.  I mean I literally have thousands upon thousands of empty beer bottles.  It's insane.  I just can't stand the idea of standing there and filling up the machines to get back a nickel apiece but realistically there's a recycle place that will weigh them and pay me the same nickel a lot faster.  I mean waiting for the guy to unload the machine while breathing that crushed glass is not a pleasant experience.  I did it a while back and god damn it sucked hard at Safeway.  Should have just left them there for the tweekers and not spent an hour and a half for 14 bucks. 

Me I save anything hardware related that I could maybe use.  I've been reusing a shit ton of it and I think old and weathered is a cool look and also pretty practical.  I have a beam from an old deck job that's gonna be used as a header in my mobile home over the slider.  The roof has sagged big time and leaked in that area so I have had to pull off he siding inside and out to remove the slider and install the header etc.  When people hack into structural walls and not resupport problems can ensue.  What a hack job that one was it needed repairs.  Anyway saving shit, you need some organization or it becomes an unreachable pile.  If you can find it relatively easily reuse becomes more practical.  Plumbing shit in particular I don't toss, or wood stuff.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24214883 - 04/03/17 09:43 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Any competent plumber can repair most any kitchen sink faucet.
It's just generally not worth it, because the labor cost is gonna be the same, and the manufacturers ream you on replacement parts.  O-ring kits are generally worthless these days, as the manufacturers tend to make their shit in proprietary sizes, for just that reason.
I'm not a huge fan of the plastic supplies that come pre-installed on most faucets nowadays, but its easier for a homeowner to install, because you aren't gonna twist'em off the valve body the way that the uninitiated often did with copper ones.  3/8x1/2 compression adapters are useful in a pinch, and everyone should have a couple in the box, but if you don't have 'em already, you might as well just change angle stops.  They aren't that much, and its worth it when you really need to turn one off.

P.S. moen sucks.  price pfister is a better middle of the road valve.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24217016 - 04/04/17 04:58 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah any plumber can fix a faucet for 2x the cost of the new faucet.  Not much economy there as you note.  The main problem with some designs (like Moen) is getting to the part to replace it.  The Delta with their ring that gets stuck over time is even worse as the possibility of twisting the lines off while trying to twist off the cap exists.  I know because I did it to my shower faucet and that kind of sucked.  It had one of those leaks around the bottom that go to drain and I got rambitious and went for fixing it at the expense of a new faucet and a plumber that time on a house I was fixing to sell. 

Anyway, yeah I'll look into PricePfister I have used them in the past and liked them then.  I have an old one that I couldn't get to stop leaking after replacing washers recently it had a scored or worn or corroded? surface where it seated so the dripping never stopped.  So much for washer design eventually that can happen.

The plumbing people never seem to settle in on a design.  Toilets for example.  The new ones suck.  Washing machines.  The new ones suck.  Cutting back on water when taking a shit and cleaning clothes isn't working.  Even the Vormax sucks it does flush better than the other shitty designs that leave shit around the bowl but it ain't a winner design.  Two valves that are big and tend to self flush wasn't the answer American Standard but you did your best with stinking 1.2 gallons a flush.  Nearly 300 bucks later you got a bastard toilet that Home Depot likely won't even carry parts for.  Next toilet need I go to the recycle place and get a good old one they got shit loads of toilets for cheap...


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24217247 - 04/04/17 08:36 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

kohler makes a good powerflush unit, but they don't give them away.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: LunarEclipse] * 1
    #24224668 - 04/07/17 05:38 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I avoid single handle faucets and stuff for the very reason that I know it will be more likely to wear out much faster than two handles.  I have had to fix my front loader Whirlpool washing machine multiple times, mostly due to misuse and abuse by the ex.  I've resurrected the same old dryer I received for free from a friend like 3 times, just little components and stuff.  I tend to fix things if they're fixable, and toss them when it's not worth the trouble. 

But yeah, the new ones get gross inside pretty fast, it's like they can't ever fully drain so there's always some nasty mildew shit in there and it's hard to keep them clean.  I'll probably have to replace the rubber gasket inside mine soon.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24230958 - 04/09/17 06:36 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I have seen this too.

I think a lot of it could be just new technologies are constantly coming, also new styles too.

For example my Samsung Captivate Slide phone just recently errored out with some OS problem.

I thought about fixing it but with all the wide variety of phones out now, why not get a new one?

So i got a used Nokia Lumia 1520 "phablet" lol. Wow what a difference in power and performance. It really feels like a mini tablet.

Same goes for all products for the home. New tech, new styles, better and better.

But on a show i watch called Flip or Flop they said "gold is coming back". LOL. I dont think so. Gold colors on metal is silly in my opinion.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24230988 - 04/09/17 06:48 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Anyway, yeah I'll look into PricePfister I have used them in the past and liked them then.  I have an old one that I couldn't get to stop leaking after replacing washers recently it had a scored or worn or corroded? surface where it seated so the dripping never stopped.  So much for washer design eventually that can happen.






the seats are a replaceable part.  you can get a seat wrench at any plumbing supply, probably home depot too.  a big enough allen wrench would probably work in a pinch.  Seats are cheap, and should be replaced at the same time as washers because they become pitted over time, which will wear down your washers much faster.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #24233692 - 04/10/17 11:14 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

There is some European country, Scandanavian I believe, that is setting up repair shops for used and broken items that normally get junked. 

Ah here is the article on it, it's in Sweden.  They are giving tax breaks to those who take their broken shit in to get fixed instead of tossing and buying something new.  Pretty cool initiative to keep things out the land fill.

Sweden’s ruling Social Democrat and Green party coalition is set to submit proposals to parliament on Tuesday to slash the VAT rate on repairs to bicycles, clothes and shoes from 25% to 12%.It will also submit a proposal that would allow people to claim back from income tax half of the labour cost on repairs to appliances such as fridges, ovens, dishwashers and washing machines.“We believe that this could substantially lower the cost and so make it more rational economic behaviour to repair your goods,” said Per Bolund

Sweden Tax Break for Repairs


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: dodgem]
    #24234035 - 04/11/17 05:11 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Sweden's such a cool fuckin country.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24234297 - 04/11/17 08:58 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Any plumbing supply store will have replacement cartridges, o-rings, etc for faucets, especially for a big brand like Moen.  You can repair it if you really want to.  Or you can just call Moen and ask them to take care of it for you since their faucets come with a lifetime warranty.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #24238557 - 04/12/17 07:43 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Anyway, yeah I'll look into PricePfister I have used them in the past and liked them then.  I have an old one that I couldn't get to stop leaking after replacing washers recently it had a scored or worn or corroded? surface where it seated so the dripping never stopped.  So much for washer design eventually that can happen.






the seats are a replaceable part.  you can get a seat wrench at any
plumbing supply, probably home depot too.  a big enough allen wrench would probably work in a pinch.  Seats are cheap, and should be replaced at the same time as washers because they become pitted over time, which will wear down your washers much faster.




Right on, I didn't know that.  It's a super heavy two handle kitchen model that would/will be worth fixing.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: LunarEclipse] * 1
    #24238604 - 04/12/17 08:01 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

basically any valve with 2 or 3 handles is worth repairing if you know how.  Still probably not worth it if you have to pay a plumber though.  Anything with a single handle is gonna hurt to repair, because the cartridge and o-ring kits end up costing 1/2 the price or more of a new valve.

One valve that is always worth repairing is a Pressure Reducing Valve.

A 1-inch PRV is gonna cost somewhere between $150 and $200ish for the part.
the rebuild kit is only like 45 bucks, and it's easy as fuck.  Its super important to check once a year and make sure your PRV is functioning properly, because most valves in the home are designed to function at 55-60psi.  If your incoming water service is higher than 60psi, it will cause all your valves to fail sooner. (faucets, showers, angle stops, ball-cocks)


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24238634 - 04/12/17 08:13 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I think mine is about 50 psi but since both pressure gauges on my RO systems failed I don't know for sure.  Just found another RO system with one on it and will try it near the meter to see what it is.  Hopefully that one works will have to put it together it unfortunately froze and fucked up both caps on the sediment and chlorine filters.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24253989 - 04/18/17 09:51 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I have a newer dishwasher that broke.  I think the new water line got dirt in the systems.

That and they do not make things to last.  Either they want you to buy the next latest model or the just want you to buy again after warranty.

If America was great again, shit would be lasting longer.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24254156 - 04/18/17 10:52 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

How did it just break?  There must be a diagnosis beyond "it broke".  If it's a blocked water line just fix that shit.  Even a newb could do fixes involving water lines these days with all the various push-on fittings that are available.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: idiotek]
    #24254233 - 04/18/17 11:30 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

There are a ton of parts that could be the problem.  It sprays water for a few seconds then no longer does.  So it could be something in the pump.

It's not my house, I rent.  So there is a bit of a thing about not making shit worse, trying to fix it.

Which I tend to do.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24254245 - 04/18/17 11:34 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Take photos of things before you start working on them, so you know how they should look when they're reassembled. 

Google is your friend - someone has probably already had this problem and gotten 40 replies on how to fix it, or at least there's a good chance that's the case.  Exploded view diagrams help a lot with complicated equipment.


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Re: The Disposable Society vs. Repairing [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24254358 - 04/18/17 12:29 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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There are a ton of parts that could be the problem.  It sprays water for a few seconds then no longer does.  So it could be something in the pump.

It's not my house, I rent.  So there is a bit of a thing about not making shit worse, trying to fix it.

Which I tend to do.





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Turn off the power to the dishwasher. When the dishwasher is cool (in other words, not right after a wash cycle), look for the float inside the dishwasher; this is usually a small plastic dome or cylinder mounted inside at the tub’s base, near the front. When you move most types of floats up and down, you can hear them click because their spring-loaded action trips a lever. Lift out the float mechanism, and clean around the float tube. Many floats require disconnection from below; to do this you’ll have to remove the lower access panel. Rinse off the float, replace it in the tube, and make sure it moves up and down freely.

Shut off the hot water valve to the appliance. Locate the water intake valve, behind the dishwasher’s bottom front panel. Disassemble the valve to reveal the screen. Clean any debris from the screen and reassemble the valve. If the screen appears clear, call an appliance repair person. Any of several parts—including the water inlet valve, pressure switch, and timer or selector switch—may be faulty.




check the float first, but if you really think that dirt got in the water line, its probably a clogged screen

it could be as simple as a broken angle stop that isn't open enough to feed the appliance, but is open enough to fill the line when the dishwasher is not in use, so check the angle stop that feeds the dishwasher before anything.


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